So exciting. It's just like the good old days, when we subsisted on blue screen WiP's for nearly five years.

Rata - this is a German nickname (and Spanish?):)
In the USSR it was called "Ishak" (donkey). This combination of name pronunciation in Russian aircraft I-16 - "i-shestnadtsat" and highly complex control in the air and on landing.

Yes, it is Spanish, meaning "rat". The Spanish republicans during the Spanish Civil War called I-16 "Mosca" which means "fly".
All the best from Finland!!

Or Super Mosca for the types 5,6 and 10.

In russian "mosca" means "fly" too(мошка/moshka)

rofl.

S!

Finns called it Rata too. And the Donkey is an appropriate name for it. Finns had several of these and the only existing I-16 UTI. Pilots said that plane was a handful to fly with VERY extreme handling characteristics at certain situations. For example the triggers were very stiff to operate and combine that with the extremely sensitive controls = nose bopping up and down when firing thus reducing accuracy. And other features on top of that like the longitudinal instability that could cause a fatal spin if plane was pulled too much, at certain point in a tight pull the Rata would tighten it's turn by itself due the CoG and other features..But nevertheless in hands of a capable pilot a dangerous plane.

I-16 :)

Thanks Blacksix,hehe,the I-16 has got to be the most ugliest aircraft that ever flew IMO,agreed?.......how that shape ever got airborne,let alone became a fighter aircraft is beyond me,the lines on it are awful,it ain't no beauty!

It's an engine with wings, reduce to the max, pretty cool concept for 1934.
You also might want to check out the "ugly planes" thread, considering aesthetics...

Ishak (donkey)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kv5q..._order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wre6D...layer_embedded

http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/...d/i16_sc06.jpg

Just noticed this when Krupi posted it in the update thread, but are those cocking handle extensions I see coming off the cowling guns? I wonder if that means jamming might be modeled (and thus also the ability to un-jam using those handles). Either way, does any one know why the had them? (if that's what they are) Were they particularly prone to jamming then?

Wow those I-16 videos are great! The engine sound is very cool. Reminds me of Subulba's pod racer in Star Wars Ep. I :) I wonder if we will get the Starwars laser guns as well haha.

The I-16 always reminded me of 1920s and 30s air racing planes, like something out of the Rocketteer.

I-16 is a beautiful plane, there's one in a foundation ( Infante de Orleans) which sometimes fly in Madrid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKh8nXqwtXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qELasf1GKgE
It is from the Spanish Civil War ( 1936 - 1939)

Ok so where can we find the fri update ? I think the i16 is a cool Geebee -ish looking warbird and its fun to fly in 1946 as well..

Whaa?

Oh now come along Qpassa that 'thing'ain't no beautiful aircraft,it is a bloody eye sore of the highest order!.........the Spitfire,now that is a beautiful aircraft,it's sleek,has slender lines,it's looks like a thorough bred,the Bf109 is a beautiful aircraft it again has superb lines and is a pleasure to the eye.

The aerodynamics of this aircraft must be non existent,just look at the shape of the thing,it's terrible!,no surprise then that it did'nt go down in the history books as an outstanding fighter of WW2.Just imagine being a Nazi pilot during the battle of Moscow and coming across that thing in combat,you must have thought it was your lucky day,lol.

That thing,I can't even call it an aircraft,is an abomination,it's damn right hideous,and one can only draw to a conclusion that it was an after thought after one too many vodkas...........yes,I don't like it,sorry if this will upset someone.

i like mosca. its hard to fly, but an awesome target.

"Mosca" are not mean "fly" !!! This is Mosca in Spanish:
http://www.forodefotos.com/attachmen...-domestica.jpg

Quite right zakk!! Russian word "moshka" means "gnat" or a very small insect called "black fly".

im pretty sure the spanish side ( one of them cant recall the name, sorry) who flew the mosca, gave it that name becosue the planes had "moscow" right on its side in cyrilic wich looks a lot like "mosca", wich indeed means "fly" in english.


i could call it Rata too, but for some reason its uncofrtable since its a slang in my language for the true objective of every men's life.

Rata means beer? :grin:

well, the pilots who flew it, never called it Rata - only its enemy pilots called them so.........

The nick "Rata" (rat) was given by the Franco's Nacionalist and Legion Condor German pilots to the newly received I-16 that were destinated by Republican Air Force to Madrid Front. At that time Madrid was heavily pounded by Franco's and Legion Condor bombers, without almost opposition. Then they started to see the I-16 taking off hurrily to intercept bombers formations from airfields around Madrid and then flying low over Madrid's roofs trying to climb to get them. Hence the nick "Rat", as rats could be seen running on the roofs of old houses of that age.

"Rata" is also a Spanish despective name. I guess, it was also applied when "Ratas" gained air superiority in the following weeks over Franco's He-51 and CR-32 and bombers started to be shot down.

The nick "Mosca" (fly) was given by republican pilots and republican gouvernement propaganda as the wooden boxes containing the disassembled planes received by ship from URSS had the word "Mockba" (Moscow) in cyrillic stenciled on the sides, as another poster said. Hence the spanish common started to call her "Mosca".

Two nicknames for same plane.

Wiki says the Spanish nationalists called it Rata.

edit: too slow.

:cool: A worthy pursuit IMHO, and over all, far less costly in the long run.


I've always enjoyed flying the I-16 in IL2. And I remember waiting with great anticipation for the patch that made it flyable.

It's one my favorite crap planes along with the MC200 (which i also have an RC model of )

lol I like it btw it's small , and do faster turns than most of the planes. Also I-15 is beautiful

Lol,hehe...........it's a free world mate,enjoy:)

When introduced, in 1933, the I-16 was the most modern fighter on the planet.

Mmm..........and in 1912 the Titanic was said to be the best ship on the planet,some said unsinkable,unfortunatley,they were wrong;)

Pictures? You don't see too many R/C craft of the MC200. Did you scratch ot kit build? I love looking at R/C models. I used to fly back in the 70s. Life interfered.....sadly.





Sorry for the hijack!

@ Meaks - First cantilever monoplane with retractable undercart in service anywhere in the world at the time - is true though. ;)

I think it's a gorgeously pugnacious looking thing also. I have a 1/48th scale I-16 next to my desk right now. Been placed in a few competitions with it too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRFcxmjvD28:-P

yep , this is old stuff, but still work on me. jeje

BS...How about a real Friday update ???
 

Last week’s update was more of a declaration of why you can’t give us an update. Doesn’t make much sense. Maybe you should change the name to “Friday Excuse.” How about something with teeth...when can we expect a patch and what will be included? That's what everyone wants to know and at this point you really should be able to pass along something. Until this thing gets fixed COD will stand for "Collector of Dust" as far as I’m concerned.

:rolleyes:

You hit the spot! +1 on this one! :)

You're right Dano...who wants a real update when we can have a pretend one.:-P

Yes, let's have an update with dates and content so as to keep all the promise whiners happy when it slips because Joe Blogski is off sick with pnemonia.

A hard date with promised content is not what I'm looking for. But neither is a big bag of nothing along with a screenshot of a plane I'll probably never fly from a sequel I'll never buy. I'd be happy with a window. "We think the next patch will be released in 60 days and it should include X." I remember Luthier reporting in October that they were putting the finishing touches on a new graphics engine that would increase fps by 50 percent and how much he loved flying around listening to the wonderful new sounds. I wish I had what he's been smoking. I'm just saying...give us a realistic idea of what we can expect in the next few months. Even if it’s nothing!

And whatever he says regarding timings or content will be used against him at a later date, if you have been reading any of the update threads you'd know this. Much as I'd love to see some more meat in the updates I just don't see it happening with the attitudes of many forum members as they are.

Then I guess they should change the name of the post to "Friday - We Haven't A Clue."

Or rather, 'Friday, we know but we're not telling you lot due to previous bad behaviour, now get back on the naughty step'.

I know that many here including me have thrown MANY tantrums over a game. But in business and life in general, you say what you are going to do and do what you say. Luthier has said a lot over the last several months and delivered nothing. I'm not mad that they have been a little late of missed a few promised dates. WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING. I'm not even mad now. I just think I / we deserve an accurate, realistic assessment of where things stand.

Didn't we get that update last friday?

lol

Well, i can't help but cover old ground here, because i'm giving an answer to an often repeated and answered question.

The reason we don't get concrete dates is that they usually slip and all hell breaks loose. And while people are upset when dates slip, if something comes early or on time but it's not done to sufficient quality, the exact same people usually go "why didn't you delay it to make sure its working first?".

I mean, it's the exact same thing that happened with the entire game: a lot were anxiously demanding it and then the same people said it would be better off being delayed.

Come on, you've been around long enough to know how things work :-P

Here's a picture of the kit , mines not built yet http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl...1t:429,r:9,s:0

So what aircraft do you want to see in the next update>

Personally I want to see the Frederick or a P-40 :D

I didn´t knew that. Great explanation. Thanks.
Esto no lo sabía. Una explicación estupenda, gracias.

Tomorrow's The Day...
 

Make it good.;)

Not sure we will be getting a patch...im hoping for some real info on what the patch will improve when it finally appears ...

AI
FM
DM
FSAA
CTDs

Thats the stuff we need info on....the rest is fluffing.

I wouldnt be holding my breath waiting. It might be a slow painful death otherwise.

Not looking for the patch but hoping for a good update, ie with real content on CloD and not the sequel. I'm a bit surprised this post hasn't vanished.

I think tomorrow we are getting some screens from a German Bomber, and a video of a new unexpected feature.

What's everyone's guess?

A Patch would be awesome, since I just got TrackIR and a few days off. But I´ll be happy with some good news as well.

Not expecting anything more...

¿What bomber?

my guess is a newer version of the Heinkel, or that crazy looking plane that Daedalos put in 4.10, Hs something.

On what basis do you think a patch will be tomorrow?

I'd be shocked at a beta patch suddenly appearing tomorrow, but I suppose it could happen. Certainly not holding my breath. Getting some more solid information on it, though, would be nice. We already know they have good progress on the graphics engine, with the overhaul being 'nearly complete', but not much info on what else is going into it or what progress has been made.

It does seem like this is going to be the 'kitchen sink' patch that largely sets the stage for the base engine for some time to come. I don't begrudge them whatever time they require, since they need a home run here to crank interest back up. Even with a perfectly functioning engine (graphics, sound, AI, etc.) the Battle of Britain is a niche product almost by definition. They need to move into a content pack model pretty quick... I'd be surprised if they could keep going into 2013 without selling the next theater of war, and they *need* the core engine to be pretty solid for that.

I'm a fanboy who'd buy the next theater if it were released today, regardless of where it's set, and even with the engine in it's current state, but I'm sure I'm in the minority there. :)

The promise
 

The promise was broken 7-19-2011 by UBISOFT/and Co. Tomorrow will bring the Sunrise, and regardless of COD team response it will only be less than promised if you
re examine the adverts and run up to the release. If you add the stream of redirections from the developers it only gets worse.

Very disappointing and only explains why interest and further sales have fallen through the pit toilet. This product betrays the IL-2 Series.

I've never seen the developer promise anything, they have however tried to keep us in loop on some of things they are working on.

I'm not expecting much tomorrow other than maybe a video of a new feature, but that could always be delayed. I'm hoping the patch is close enough that the developer will be confident enough to risk the slings and arrows of posting an ETA.

No patch for a good while yet. Still a few more fans left to alienate before then.

"Here’s what we are working on at the moment:

1. Performance increase. Over terrain, the two things that slow things down the most are trees and buildings. We are currently in final stages of testing optimized buildings that almost double the FPS over London on a test machine.
Tree optimization is a little farther away. You will probably see changes in how trees are rendered, they’ll take longer to appear over terrain, but once again, performance increase should be significant.
If everything tests correctly over the weekend, both of these should be released by early to mid next week.

2. Enhanced multicore support. The mode that we unfortunately were not able to finish in time is sending all render to a dedicated CPU core. The mode is working but somewhat buggy. It easily doubles the FPS, and the performance boost is especially noticeable in larger missions with lots of stuff going on.
This is probably at least two to three weeks away, and we will probably do a short public beta of this major change before it’s made live to everyone.

3. Multiplayer. There is something in steam filters that prevents game servers from being found. This is only happening with live retail versions of the game. This apparently isn’t caused by us – hopefully it’s just a simple oversight somewhere and the fix will be a simple flick of a switch.

4. FM and ballistics. We have already addressed the issue where rounds appeared to leave aircraft sideways. This was caused by the difference between physical and rendered position of the aircraft, i.e. the rendered position lagged behind the actual aircraft position.
Our aircraft programmer has a huge bucket list of things to check, which he’s going over at a rather brisk pace.

5. Resurrecting SLI support. This is our next biggest priority; it’s done by the same programmer now in final stages of optimizing buildings. We are really hoping this will be a quick task, but I don’t have an ETA at this point. It’ll either be a couple of days, or a much longer undetermined amount of time if we have to submit versions to card manufacturers and ask for their input.

6. Bug fixes and support. We are reading 1C’s forum a lot and some Russian-language forums, and working very hard to address all issues as they are being reported.

7. New stuff – larger online maps, some new aircraft such as the 109E1 and E4 etc – are all in the pipeline too, but obviously we need to solve the bigger issues first and then deal with the freebies."

http://il-2-sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs...log/uk/?p=1242

This was last 6 April. I'm not judging just copy and paste.

Judge for yourself.

I was thinking this sounded pretty good til I got to the end. Now it sounds sorta familiar. I'll wait and see, hoping for the best.

I strongly feel this product would have been fixed months and months ago if it wasn't made in Russia.

"Tomorrow's The Day..."

Not if you live in Australia ... Today is Friday! So I say the update should be now ;)

I expect the following:

"We are working very hard on a number of things which unfortunately I can't specify. Among other things we are basically kinda working day and night on increasing the possibility for performance increases under certain conditions on certain systems under certain situations and should be able to give a more detailed progress report at a later, at the moment not really defined moment in the future. The problem with FSAAA is basically fixed, we know exactly what to do, it just doesn't work yet. There are massive changes to stuff that's really complicated so I won't bother you with the details. Rest assured a lot of things are greatly improved. Or will be improved. Or, we plan to improve them. Or think about planning to improve them. We're totally in the process of preparing for implementation of KI-fixing programming preparation, so expect massive improvements within an undisclosed time frame. FMs will or will not change in various ways and we will have a great surprise or something resembling a surprise, or something we think maybe some kind of surprise for some of you soon. Which is, some time in the future

BTW here's a picture of an I-16's gear assembly and some highly-detailed russian conifers."

lol good one paraB. Sums it all up pretty well.

Maybe the best reply ever i've seen on here.

Thanks for the update ParaB. I note you promised several times that the sim will be fixed tomorrow and it will run perfectly.

Or did I read it wrong?

Well done ParaB. Very authentic!

Hilarous

Thank you for that, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. You nailed it.

Damn, its too long to put in a sig!

Para B, that has to be the best post on these forums to date, funny and at the same time so very true. I have been trying for some time to word a similar post that wouldnt get me another ban, but yours says all I wanted to say in that the updates tell us absolutley nothing. Even worse though are all the thank you posts after.:grin::grin:

I'm surprised the ban hammer hasnt come. The mods must have taken an extra dose of chill pills :)

I'm hoping for some improvements in the near future, but being a realist about it at the same time. I will say I get very good performance on the system I recently built, however, that being said, the components which I am using didn't even exist when this game was released.
This begs the question, what kind of system was this sim originally tested on? I'm just curious. At the present time, my biggest performance hits are on the particle effects, on the 3 gig 580GTX, which appear to be absent from the newest Radeon 3gig card.

Sounds fantastic! i cant wait, thank you ;)

From Blacksix...

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.

:(

Read the "fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru " thread for info regarding today's update...

Mazex

lol, that would fit perfectly on the end of Para B's post.:grin:

I thought I was a fanboi, but I'll admit I LMAO'ed with ParaB post. Do I still qualify?
:grin:

More than ever! :)

We need a patch, but imho is not going to be released now, I hope I'm wrong

Fantastic. When they see this, they will hire you as a press officer. Be sure - almost - they might or might not need one pretty soon, in the future. :D

Note - you dident say when.... 2 weeks?

~S~

Hell....even as one of the main anti-whinge protagonists I thought it was funny, overexagerated but funny.

Awesome post ParaB, totally ROFLMAO over here. Great parody, scary thing though, it's so close to the real thing that it almost is not a parody. Nice to see that everybody can have a laugh without bickering though. :grin:

+1

Is there a date for the next update?
 

I did not follow the threads since a long time and I am asking what is or seems a stupid question is there a date for the next update? Or even a approximation of a date? A week, month if not a day for this next upgrade? I tried to read the weekly updates but did not find any sings of delay or dates! But that there shall be a new game for the Russian or Soviet front in the future. If someone could answer this question; when?8-)

There has been no information on an ETA for the patch.

Is there going to be a patch before BoM is released?
 

Is there going to be a patch for CoD before BoM is released?

What are you trying to do?

The answer was posted here already by luthier. Yes.

Quite logical, as the sequel is still not officially announced.

Blacksix!... Polite Request!
 

Can you please provide some relevant information on the status of the patch in this Friday update, as follows:

1. How the work is progressing?

2. What mile stones ( if any ) have been achieved so far?

3. What the team is actually working on now that the graphics (as Luthier mentioned earlier) are virtually finished by now?

4. What betterment we will actually get after the patch... ae: list of fixes?

5. Relevant screen shots showing frame rates ( not anly upper but low and average ) and various improvements to the visuals (if any)

6. Approximate time scale for release of the BETA? (not the ready when is ready... please)

S!

I would settle with a less long list. Maybe a few highlights of what was found and corrected. Patch release, well when ready :)

When will next patch be released?
 

I like many others are infuriated at the absolute rort we have been victim of, having paid good money for a substandard product. Even worse, to add to this frustration, efforts are now going off on a tangent to develop ridiculous things like controllable AA and future expansion packs ? Outright theft!

I do not wish to put blame on anyone but would rather just please like to have this mess fixed as soon as possible; that is to say, fix this unfinished product and not focus on things that are not ready to be added yet.

Anyway, in short- when is the next patch coming out please? Everyone knows we need AI fixed immediately at number 1, closely followed by many other glaringly obvious shortcomings. This game is not fit to play. When can we expect something please? It has been a long time since version 1.05 now.

People seem to think next week. I'll believe it when I see it....

If that's the case- awesome. I will wait. Where did you get that from?

I think its more your fault for not doing your due diligence before buying the product. Kidding aside, I'm sure the developer is thankful for our investment in COD, which has made it possible for the sim to be finished instead of canceled.

The patch is much closer, and should make the sim much more playable on average systems. No much word yet on what improvements has been made on the FM, DM, AI, Commands, etc, although I'm quite sure the people working on those features didn't stop to watch the one guy working on ground vehicles. You should see many new features, and improvements to the FM, DM, AI, Commands, Graphics thru the life of the series.

Quote from BS, but doesn't say when it will be released, but doesn't sound like it will be too much longer.

"Graphics-wise, we’re dealing with a last-minute issue as we speak. We rather unexpectedly found a problem with our aircraft decals, i.e. the code that places crosses and roundels and chevrons etc on top of the aircraft paintscheme. The code is being rewritten, the work should be finished in about 2 days. Once it’s done we can take much more accurate benchmarks. We’ll post then when we have them."

S!

So basically at least a week...no wait, stop the press...2 WEEKS! :D Anyways really good news the patch is getting closer to beta/release. Add to that the mentioned FM/DM adjustments and oh boy can we finally enjoy a lot more :D