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MD_Wild_Weasel 01-01-2009 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead (Post 63819)
These "new fans" ergo, "new customers" as you call them....they are not buying the sim. they are not putting money in Olegs/1C's pockets....they're STEALING. none of them need to purchase the game any more. when it can be had for free download. The mods ppl have made it compleatly unnessacary to purchase the game any more.
So while ppl my self who have spent hundreds of dollars buying each consecutive release of the sim....they're getting it for free.
How fair is that? not very at all.
Quote:As for me proving the claims i make are not unfounded....the burden of proof lies with those whom think i'm BS'ing them. So prove what i've said is unfounded. prove it. i dare you. prove me wrong. you can't and you know it.

sure look above at your earlier post, how did you mangage to find out all these "new Fans" were stealing?Thats some heavy"big brother is watching You" i dont even think the goverment could cope with that one :-P Amazing

JG27CaptStubing 01-01-2009 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro (Post 63891)
You're source is lying to you, period, end of story. You ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE IL2 1946 INSTALLED AND PATCHED TO 4.08 IN ORDER TO GET THE UNIFIED INSTALLER TO WORK!!!!!!

In fact I did a fresh install and applied the unified installer and it didn't work, because I had forgotten to install the 4.08m patch.


Brain32, you are correct that we are guilty of throwing all anti-mod people in with the mods=cheat crowd, and for that I apologize. I've said before that I understand and respect the position of those who have thought it out honestly and still don't want to partake. It's the ones who spread flames, BS, and lies and do it loudly and with much venom that I rail against.

But to suggest that there was no cheating before the mods is ridiculous, I know you've been around for some time, I'm familiar with your handle, you should know better, there have been cheaters since the original il2. There has always been the suspicion of cheating as well, anytime I was on teamspeak with a group of people (way before the mods) and there was a person or a group of pilots that came in and started owning the whole server everyone in there would scream "cheat!" and start speculating about how they are cheating. Actual cheating and the suspicion of cheating are nothing new in this sim, it's always been there. Perhaps suspicion is up slightly but the actual cheating hasn't increased as far as I can tell.
What's funny about all this talk about cheating its not as wide spread as some of you would like to believe. The guys that have been able to get past simple server settings don't last long and are booted. In addition this sim for the most part appeals to older guys which aren't into cheating. The young ones are the trouble makers and are usually dispatched as soon as they are found.

The good news is there are several guys in the mod groups that are working hard on making sure cheats aren't spread or encouraged.

JG27CaptStubing 01-01-2009 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead (Post 63819)
These "new fans" ergo, "new customers" as you call them....they are not buying the sim. they are not putting money in Olegs/1C's pockets....they're STEALING. none of them need to purchase the game any more. when it can be had for free download. The mods ppl have made it compleatly unnessacary to purchase the game any more.
So while ppl my self who have spent hundreds of dollars buying each consecutive release of the sim....they're getting it for free.
How fair is that? not very at all.

Are you for real? You actually think the folks that are doing the mods have made it so you don't need to purchase the game? You my friend need to really investigate things before making silly comments like that.

Fear mongering is what this is all about.

kristorf 01-01-2009 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead (Post 63873)
And i've been told that thier new unified installer....does not require that you 1st have the game installed.

unfounded....no i don't think so.

I've been the earth is flat, do I believe it or do I check for myself before spreading rumours????

How can you post some of your comments mate if you believe in hearsay and don't know facts, dodgy grounds for an arguement

flyingbullseye 01-01-2009 09:13 PM
I finally bought/upgraded to 1946 a month ago just for the mods, otherwise I had no reason to upgrade. Cost me $15 on amazon.com. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. What then have I stole? Nothing. I don't have the code, don't want it. All I have now are improved sounds, clouds, effects, cockpits and a few aircraft that as far as I can tell don't fly any diferent than the stock counterparts. I have yet to see any FM or DM mods, though what I do see at the site are new aircraft that the mod devs are putting a lot of time into getting it historically correct in most or all of its aspects within limits to the sim. The claim that people don't buy it anymore is made out of pure ignorance. Curious though, I wonder how this argument would be going if Oleg gave the community all the mod tools himself and said have fun.

Flyingbullseye

Feathered_IV 01-01-2009 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead (Post 63873)
And i've been told that thier new unified installer....does not require that you 1st have the game installed.

unfounded....no i don't think so.
Your friends are deliberately giving you false information to egg you on.
They are most likely setting you up for exactly this. You get all outraged over your trusted misinformation, everybody jumps on you. You retaliate in-kind and things escalate out of hand. And all the while, your friends are laughing behind your back.

WTE_Galway 01-01-2009 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingbullseye (Post 63909)
Curious though, I wonder how this argument would be going if Oleg gave the community all the mod tools himself and said have fun.

Flyingbullseye

Nothing would change.

Opposition to mods was based in experience of the total stupidity that eventually resulted out of the use of mods in older sims (pretty much destroying the games online) and recollection of how the lack of hacks and mods was one of Il2's big attractions in the early days - not some misplaced allegiance to Oleg.

In reality, most anti-modders (such as myself) have voted with their feet and simply given up playing online and do not nother to ever comment - very few are actually vocal about it in forums. These days most pro-mod posts (even by fanboys) are just ignored. Its the occasional anti-mod comment that gets attacked and devolves into a flame war.

LEXX 01-02-2009 01:15 AM
And now we find that opposition was always wrong, as I always predicted. The reason CFS failed was lack of support from the developer. Oleg didn't abandon his sim the way Microsoft abandoned their sim, although he severely crippled it himself by catering to the arcade dogfight server segment at the expense of his offline financial base and to some extent the online war segment also. That is a mistake he looks like he may have learned from.

WTE::
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In reality, most anti-modders (such as myself) have voted with their feet and simply given up playing online and do not nother to ever comment - very few are actually vocal about it in forums.
That's a good sign of the community maturing. The old anonomous public server bullies who dominated the forums slowly fade away from the playground by giving up the sim, by enjoying a no-mod sim the same as mod simmers enjoy a modded sim, or by going mod themselves.

Bearcat 01-02-2009 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LEXX (Post 63927)
And now we find that opposition was always wrong, as I always predicted. The reason CFS failed was lack of support from the developer. Oleg didn't abandon his sim the way Microsoft abandoned their sim, although he severely crippled it himself by catering to the arcade dogfight server segment at the expense of his offline financial base and to some extent the online war segment also. That is a mistake he looks like he may have learned from.

WTE::
That's a good sign of the community maturing. The old anonomous public server bullies who dominated the forums slowly fade away from the playground by giving up the sim, by enjoying a no-mod sim the same as mod simmers enjoy a modded sim, or by going mod themselves.
I kinda disagree there Lexx.. I do believe that mods or the uncontrolled use of them was a direct factor in the demise of CFS... It got to the point where you just couldn't tell what was a cheat and what wasn't.. CFS3 was another big factor... the fact that it was such a pig.. I seriously believe that the difference is the community in this case is a huge factor in why we don't see what we saw in CFS.. That is one reason why it irks me so when I hear all this nonsense... We are not like most other flight sim communities because this sim is not like other sims. Most of us came here for a reason. We could have stayed in CFS but we didn't.. the integrity of the sim is one reason why, so to think that just because we now have mods the first thing every one will want to do is start modding FMs is insulting, and just plain wrong. For most of us the integrity of the sim is still a factor and the fact that so many mods are functional enhancements is a testament to that. If any one who has issues with these mods would go to the AAA site they would see what was going on... even if they still chose to not use them.

JG27CaptStubing 01-02-2009 02:22 AM
Actually I challenge anyone to go to their site and show me a single mod that is considred a cheat or an FM change for that matter.

Copperhead is talking pure nonsense and clearly demonstrates he knows very little about the mod groups.


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