Yes..

The pre-alpha version video that clearly states WORK IN PROGRESS uploaded by someone back in Oct 2009 as part of the IL-2 1946 DVD.

The thing I really don't understand about the whiners is how they 'think' they can play both sides of the fence and not expect anyone to call them on it.

Out of one side of their mouths they beg for updates.. Complain if they don't get an update.
Than out of the other side of theri mouths when 1C is kind enough to provide an update, an update that 1C goes out of their way to say is pre-alpha, and/or a work in progress, and/or even flat out say things may change.. And the whiners pretend nothing was said and claim some promise was broken

A perfect example is this video

Has any of the whiners mentioned all the positive things that were shown in that video that ended up in the final product?

Nope!

Worse yet the whiners act like there were hundreds of things shown (promised) in that we did not receive!

When in fact there is only two things that were shown in that video that did not make it into the final product!

Even though before CoD was released 1C stated those two things did not make it into the product.

Yet the whiners want us to belive that it is 1C's fault that they did not personally knock on everyone door in 2011 that saw that video from 2009 and tell them personally that those two items did not make it into the final product.

Take some personal responsibility people!

You could not be more wrong even if your goal was to be wrong! ;)

I have a question: lets say Oleg would not have shown anything that was not going to be in the game at release during all those years of developpement.
Lets say that all he would have shown in updates was what has finally made it for release. Let say he would have never talked about dynamic weather, photorealistic this and that, cinematic bailout, and all the ooooh and aaaaaaws, that we saw , even as WIP, just to make sure he would not miss the target and disapoint his crowd. What then ? Would we have been less disapointed ? Would that have changed anything regarding the reception of the game ? Would he have been able to keep this forum alive for 6 years if we knew that what fianally got out would be this average unfinnished sim ?
Come on...All the "unpromised wip" was part of the show. It was pure advertising . And why do Luthier needs another year to achieve those " WIP" you think ? Because it was not possible to have them in the game . At least for another 2 or 3 years. BUt WE didn't know that . So we bought the game.
Big failure. But dont worry, few patches and it will be just fine. Then, no more patch for now. On the ice. BUt dont worry, in about a year or so, maybe, just maybe COD will be there...After the sequel...
And now we are childish disapointed irresponsable whiners ? No. Upset clients . Disapointed custommers who had a forum to speak out. BUt it is the end.
I disagree with your conclusions.
Salute !

As I yours..

But also note that the only way you could disagree with me was for you to go off on some 'what if' tangent topic..

Try agian but this time stick with what actully happened instead of what ifs and I think even you will realise that two missing features from a 2 year old video is not something worht getting this upset about..

Espically if you were to take ten mins and make note of all the things you did recive that were presented in that video

Which Aircraft in Friday update!
 

So what are you guys hoping/guessing we will see this Friday!

I want to see a Fw190 (I know never gonna happen, but one can dream ;) )

I guess it will be an I-16 and ME 109 F....

Il-2, maybe an I-16. Would love to see an F2 or F4.

Certainly IL2 ...

But the Ju 88 or the He 111 will be great :)

Ju 52. What else.

Henschel Hs-123...
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R...oto.jpg?sz=200

i153

A flyable Junkers Ju 52 ;-) - And Im not kidding. :D

109F I would like to see ;)

FW-190 won't be, it is absolutely exact.
We want to show one more Soviet plane. Also, maybe show a German plane. Or we'll move it to the next update, it's not yet decided.

so i16 is my bet, and ofr the german plane 109f is my wish, but it could be anything.....

So it's official no 190 to counter those pesky la5s.

Thanks for the heads up B6

As long as it's not a MiG-3U, I-185 or an I-153P ... :-P

Seriously, I hope MG is finally cured from its "Let's spend precious development resources on an extremely rare and not significant type just 'cause it's KeWl" fixation. ;)

agreed. speacilly when it takes 2 months and 2 devs per plane

Where to now?
 

Why would I buy Battle for Moscow?
Now this post will cover some old ground…
Clod as it stands is an incomplete game, in other words things promised during development never made it into the game or simply do not work as indicated. This is mainly gameplay related but extends to graphic and FM problems too. All old news and has been mentioned in countless posts.
So am I concerned about how complete the Battle for Moscow will be on release? The simple answer is a resounding yes!
The good thing however is we will not be expected to go on pure faith that the sequel is as good as advertised. We will have the Russian forum to guide us on whether to buy or not to buy as it is my understanding that it will be released there first.
I like the merge idea (a constant throughout the old IL2) which means each new incarnation of the original adds all the bells and whistles of the latest release.
I had hoped however at this stage they would have opened up parts of the SDK to allow modders to bring more ships, vehicles into the current game and to allow for an exponential growth of the sequel.
Each sequel should effectively double the content of existing titles as they are merged and be almost tripled with player added content. (This is still one area that is lacking in the current game.)
Had more ships been built post release I am sure a DLC expansion would have been released for the existing plane set with a few additions to have allowed campaign makers to have created an African (Mediterranean) campaign including maybe even the battle for Greece and lower Balklands.

The battle for Moscow should see early Cannon armed Spitfires, Hurricanes making and appearance which effectively enables the extension of the Channel war beyond the Battle of Britain.
What is needed is for the developers to start tapping into the massive old IL2 resource that is people based and using them to flesh out the basic game. :):):)

Agreed, 2-3 enthusiasts could probably dig into it even not having prohibitively time-consuming SDK documentation. There are at least 2 people at sukhoi.ru eager to start modelling.

We are all keen for this but as has been stated, they are waiting to get to a stable base and focussing on this before the SDK is released. Other wise it would lead to more problems in the future when the game core is modified, this would break any SDK work that was done and probably the SDK itself too.

When the team is satisfied that they have met all the objectives for the long term development of the core game the SDK will be released.

I think the devs said it was 6 or even 9 months for 2 modellers.

I-16 or I-153 would suit me. Or a Storch if it has to have some crosses on it.

This is a Cliffs of dover forum I would rather see some updates for this game if possible, although the update today was fantastic 'we are still working on a patch' something with a little more content would be better.

I'm sure ther won't be be a La5 either. The screenshot that show a WIP model of a La fighter is actually a La9 from "Project Galba". http://download.softclub.ru/pub/il2p...20grab0000.jpg

Your right that is an la9 but a few months back when they took the pics of the office we were told that one of the guys was working on a la5.

Il-2

it pains me to agree

100% La-5

There was another photo showing a designer working on a model in their office photo update. IIRC luthier confirmed it was La-5.

I think La-5 is not for BoM but for BoS as they first appeared in Stalingrad. However it might be also a joint 1941-1942 project from Moscow till Stalingrad.

Hmmm, i think people are getting ahead of themselves, no Fw's or La's involved in the battle of Moscow.............

Oh please, don't overwhelm us...



seriously...

What happend to the planes you were working on back in 2005 - 6 years ago! ??

He59
Lysander
Ju52
Autogyro

Left for dead?

Are you refereing to the 2nd photo in this post? http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...81&postcount=1

That's the one.

And was the reason I was hoping for a 190, but it looks like we will have to wait a bit longer

Actually if nobody was working on a Fw 190 then the La-5 would be just as odd since, IIRC, it made its combat debut over Stalingrad and Moscow in mid to late August 1942, about two or three weeks before I./JG 51 returned to Lyuban with its Fw 190s.

I have to admit that it looks very much like the engine section of a La-5. My guess would be that they are working on the model for the LaGG-3 and La-5 at the same time because of the similarities to ensure that the rest of the model fits for both types.

Yes.

If it is a joint 1941-42 project FW-190 may also be included. Looking forward to flying it.

I am 100% sure they will not do that. In the end they will use the same fail approach of having different modellers building related planes from different plans and at different scales as in IL-2.

And yes, I know what I am talking abou having build the Spitfire XIV for the IL-2 modding community on the basis of the ingame VIII. In that process I compared all Spitfires and they are a mess.

It might also be a case that the same modeller will start working on a 190 as soon as La-5 is more or less finalised, or maybe they already started but not ready to show work not ready to be shown.

Same thing that happened to RoF, look for "knights of the sky" (the original name) and you will find loads of models of aicraft that are not released or have only just being sold.

Pretty sure the models were not finished or just not up to scratch :(

But still ... Given the insane amount of detail these models have to have spending development effort, as in manpower and therefor money, on a type that came a good six months after the final act in "The Battle of Moscow" had been sung (if we were to follow the international historians and consider the timeframe of "Typhoon" and the soviet counter offensive as the background for BoM) it puzzles me a bit. I mean we do have so many types that need to be modeled for the setting I described (Bf 109 E-7, F-2, F-4, Ju 88 A-4, He 111 H-3, H-4 and H-6, Hs 123, Ju 87 B-2, I-16 Type 18 and Type 24, I-153 M62, Il-2 Model 1940, Yak-1 Model 1941, MiG-3ud, LaGG-3 ...) I don't really see the resources for that ... Unless, of course, MG has pulled our leg with the title and it does stretch 1941 and 1942 (although I really doubt that).

Exactly.

My train of thought as well, sort the existing then work on the next???

My bet is on the Yak-1 for this friday, and the BF109F :)

It will probably be a Russian plane, since they are from Russia. Mig 3, Early Yak, maybe an early war Bomber?

I still want a flyable cargo plane, like a ju-52 or c-47 to expand gameplay possiblities and resupply bases, troop transport, ect. Or water planes for scouting and anti shipping missions. I love the obscure "crap" planes and I know the devs do too.

3D modellers did a great job in CloD already. You do not think they deserve to be fired now until programmers fix all CloD bugs?

And btw both the game and the expansion share the same engine as we all know. BoM will not 'work' if CloD is not fixed.

No I don't think they deserve to be fired, I never said that did I?

However, I paid out £50 for a game that should work (properly) by now so I think (as do many, many more) that CloD should be fixed first before an add-on that I assume we will need to buy (and I don't mind that either if its reasonably priced) is released.
Or is it that the CloD 'fix' will be built into this add-on thus making my current install nothing but a hard disc space hog?

How about skip a few crap planes and give us te Fw 190 already? While we're still young (sort of) but dont skip the i16.....

I hope for a Spitfire mk I in the new 3D engine ;)

Mazex

In my understanding of the situation, BoM will come out when all main issues and biggest bugs in CloD are solved.

They would hurt themselves when they just sell new content with the same porked engine.

And as long they work on BoM, I have no doubt that the Clod engine will profit from it.

PS: I hope it's a Junkers W34. Germany had 2000 of them, also the finnish air force had them as K43.

This is what programmers are working on now. You can search for luthier's and BlackSix's posts about it. As I said the engine is the same which means if the engine is fixed than both CloD and BoM and BoS, etc. are fixed.

Programming and 3D modelling are 2 different professions. No need to pay modellers if they have nothing to do. Thus they need to be fired unless they start working on a sequel.

Sorry for offtopic, let's get back to BoM aircraft :)

Yea, give me Dora please, almost no one can catch it :)

Staying OT for a moment, there are so many posts saying so many things that have never happened.......sod it, I can't be bothered with it really

Can´t wait to see the east front planes with CLOD detail level. :grin:

FW 190 Please!

tp repeat csThors post:
german operation Taifun and the soviet counteroffensive its Winter 41/42

so its about
Bf109E-7
Bf109F-2/-4
Bf110D/E
Ju87B-2 (more armour than the BoB Ju87B-2)
Hs123
Hs126
He111H-6
Ju88A-5/-4

I-16 (what version ever....)
Yak-1
MiG-3
LaGG-3
P-40B/C
I-153
IL-2 (only one seaters !)
R-5/-10
SB-2
IL-4
Pe-2

just to name the most common.................


i personaly would like to see a MiG-3 picture, WITH cockpit view please :)

La 5 is pretty much confirmed, it should be on the list!

I think not for BoM as it would not make any historical sense but for BoS* or for a combined title.

*Stalingrad

It was the most deadly battle in the history of mankind, thus I am sure it will be covered by the series.

Fair enough time will tell I guess!

hell yeah. and hopefully it will work properly

Nice "Tante Ju", regretfully wrong engines and props.

My heart wants to see a P 40 B, but my head says I-16, 1-153, or Mig-3.

+1 for the P-40

Yakovlev 1/3/7/9

We could do with one of this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/iar80_05.jpg



:mrgreen:

I already have 12 screenshots of the Soviet aircraft to Friday. With the German aircraft - the question is still unresolved.

Excellent!

Nice, gotta see the Frederick :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tree_UK View Post
This is a Cliffs of dover forum I would rather see some updates for this game if possible, although the update today was fantastic 'we are still working on a patch' something with a little more content would be better.

you are not the only one ... :)

For a second then I thought I clicked on the ugly aircraft thread :P

J/K ;)

Nooooooooo.....that is a great looking aircraft.

Guess it would be a pain in the arse to taxi with its cockpit that far back!

Yes it would I guess, the wings are probably going to be right in line with the horizon from that viepoint too, but I really do think the IAR 80 was a gorgeous looking aircraft.

Yes it is, just looks unusual with its wings so far forward and aforementioned cockpit, makes it look like a racer rather than a fighter :)

it would be the correct timeframe, but unfortunatly the wrong front sector :(

I only have to sleep 3 nights more and then its Friday.

Then its weekend.


and time for an update. ;)

Looking forward to it. Keep up the great work.

Totally looking forward to this aircraft, in IL2 the IAR81 worked like a FW 190 precedessor in almost every regard =)

in old IL2 i fly only (i mean , 95% of the totall of the time) 3 different planes, like 109, fw, and hellcat.
But in this sim, with all the series complete, i only can fly the 109. Is very difficult learn and keep that you learn for more than 1 or 2 planes.

109-f2 have nice skins in barbarossa, hope oleg team put many of they.

but maybe will be nice see first russian fighters, like this.:
http://www.junebarbarossa.com/img/up...dgrgerge_1.jpg
that mig have a pretty good design for me:grin:

and, the rumanian He 112 will be nice to see too.
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LC...112-B1-01f.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1842/mostupn1.jpg
They not only fight in Besarabia, they escort German Bombers to Moscow, and was more than 25 He 112 in the Rumanian Air Force.
Remember that oleg put G50 in Cliffs..., and they, almost, dont see combat in Battle Of ingland, and He112 yes.
soo, i recuest this not popular fighter for the incomming maddox serie, because this will our only chance to see it:(

I agree, not another variant or sub-variant of the 109.

And please, the 190, without the bar and the extra drag ;-)

You know I'm gonna vulch you five times because of this Heresy, right?:mrgreen:

How can you say such a thing?

I know in Il-2 the IAR-80 was modeled horribly, but the plane doesn't look half as bad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Giar80-2-1.jpg

I have a new book on this aircraft on the way. :-P

http://www.radubstore.com/index.php?...b2e58e0f10116c

http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/ima...ard/SA5919.jpg

But once in the air, that buble canopy is superior to any 109 version. :twisted:



All you need is a H1 race skin for it and is good to go:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Jaws/grab0.jpg

Okay Okay I already admitted its a nice aircraft, truth be told I am still peeved at you for sliding into my 6 with that yellow nosed hurri of yours ;)

+1
Yup,agreed.

It has become apparent that it's only modellers working on content for BOM which doesn't take any resource away from the programmers who are working on fixing COD.

In two months time,COD will have been released for a year,it's also apparent that the fixing of COD is taking a while!.....and that the essence of the line I was agreeing to was that before you learn to run you should learn to walk.

:mrgreen:

Best way to sneak up on a 109.

http://i.imgur.com/k9nD2.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/mockface.gif

I still recall I was on comms at the time, it went something like this...

"Some id!ot friendly is shooting at me in a 109"

5 Mins Later

"He's doing it again, goddamn n00b... WTF... Hang on, what the... SON OF A B!!!"

:evil:

Of course the best way to get on a 109's 6 atm is too open your canopy listen to the sound of a BD601 coming at you from behind and then loop on to his 6... :P

I shure hope he catches some friendly fire soon and often after.
But thats it in a game with non historical skins, someone cheats.
The yellow noses were there for a reason.

I didn't realize the skins were on, so I flew with that Romanian Skin for a few sorties.:) Everyone was shooting at me friend and foe. LMAO I stoped doing it rather quick. :mrgreen:

What update today is that? Did i miss something?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29295

Update should hopefully be on Friday.

Aircraft in Friday update ? I would guess it won't be Russian (saved for BOM), hopefully a Lysander!??

With a flyable Lysander, you could practice takeoffs and landings on short runways - fields etc :grin: (resupply french resistance then off home for tea and biccies!)

He111.

Then almost for sure it will be a FW190...
It´s like playing offline after a while you get to know the AI routine.

Salutes.

Nope, no 190 at BoMs release.

Well whatever it is, I can't wait to see it! :)

That would be lush...
http://www.oocities.org/willhunter42/LysanderRCAF.jpg

Looking forward to the news tomorow!

S!

Easy solution for the feature where people use yellow nose Sissies or Hurris to fool you, turn OFF skins online :) Saves bandwidth too :)

To the topic..I bet it is I-16 Rata or I-153 Tchaika :)

If they are smart they'll include something with a P...P-40, P-39, P-51...I would imagine they will include plenty of aircraft from Mother Russia, Britain and Germany so a few from the west would go a long way in generating sales.

P 39s and P 51s are WAY outside the timeframe of the expansion.

So are FW 190s.

Why is this hard to understand?