'Black Tuesday' for me:(

It doesn't even have a cockpit. What standards are you talking about?

Be patient!;) After SOW we got project Galba aka Korea. And we has MiG-15 F-86, Twin Mustang ect. :grin:

The MiG-15 and F-86 Sabre were made by a guy called PeterD and released with the MiG-9 and P-80 cockpits respectively. Since then another modder named Freddy (who incidentally has been hired by Oleg to work on SoW:Korea) has released this F-86 cockpit (which is a real work of art) and is working on the MiG-15 cockpit.
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5922/59736420.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9827/93142384.jpg

So, it is not Mig-15 cockpit:)
Mig-9 is not my favorite, sorry for misunderstanding :confused:

Indeed,MiG-15 is fantastic!
The F-86 cokpit is even more!If MiG-15 get a decent cockpit,maybe it can be incorpored into IL2.

There is this modder called Japancat, i read something on his blog about involvement with TD.
Could this mean we could get a ki44 added in the future?
(he did alot of other amazing work too =o)

im not interested in korea war :I

After 4.10 all planes will have their own g-limits based on aircraft type, weight/fuel/ordanance etc. and these will change dynamically, its in the dev. updates.

Just been playing around with the Fokker DXXI and B-534 as I haven't flown these much, what excellent aircraft (model quality I mean) the damage effects and cockpit detail are amazing, props to TD, looking forward to future addons. It would be nice to have some campaigns for these new planes, id better get busy, lol.

Even then - not a chance. Same for any other BoB or Korea content in the IL-2.
So forget about it and move along.

G-suits
 

From WikipediaWill there be :cool:G-suits in 4.10 or later ?

+1 Good idea about the campagnes, but I don't think they will make them because of SoW. I would like a Winter War campagne flying in a D.XXI:cool:

In fact we rather rely on players, namely mission- and campaign builders. We know there are lots out there and as this doesn't require any more equipment than the game itself, we think, its better to save our limited ressources for different topics.

Yes, I agree with this approach, from what I understand TD is a small specialty group for improving the core mechanics of the sim, and players are provided with the tools (i.e FMB, skins etc.) for making content. That being said I need to do some research before beginning to make a campaign.

Two front war?While DT works on Europe he will focus at pacific?

Yes, and Bf 109B would be very nyce against olders I-16 and I-15 (Spanish Civil War) ;)



Cheers!

That's what takes me longer than building the campaigns often... it's doing the research to make it an accurate and fun campaign.

The Emil entered service in mid 1939, but the Luftwaffe were still operating a mixture of C, D and E types during the invasion of Poland.
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7991/doraj.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5623/emil.jpg
Would be nice to see the Jumo engined models and the early E subtypes (E-1 and E-3) incorporated into an official patch, but they would need their own cockpits first, since they are using the E-4's at the moment.

Hi TD folks

I just feel plain curious, since we haven´t seen any recent 4.10 updates I asume that RL must suddenly be very busy (Having worked on "volunteer" software development myself i have some insight into that, you usually have another job to put meat on the table and a family to tend to, as well as plenty other intrests one has in life like watching the World Cup).

My question is plainly how are things proceeding ?, is all Ok, did you get bitten by "Bugs outa hell" ? Is the team in good health ?

Kind Regards
Hunger

All team is deeply involved in the beta testing

Hi guys, great job you are doing. Just wondering will there be a 4.10 beta or will it be a straight 4.10 release?

+1 on SCW. We have the I-15, older model I-16s, early SB-2 and the R-5. All that we need are two-four Axis aircraft and two-three esoterics (ie. export aircraft that served in SCW but not WWII) and a map!

One of the real limitations of the Il-2 releases is that they lacked small campaigns or missions for aircraft introduced in patches (and often in new versions of the game).

IMHO, it would be great if we had a second team pulling together high-quality missions featuring the new aircraft that could be released as an addition download.

If need be such a team could work one tier behind using the publicly released patch (as opposed to the betas). I think it would add a lot if a 4.09 mission pack was being built to coincide with the release of 4.10.

Almost all my skinning over the years has been 1930's aircraft :D

More SCW would be awesome.

Sounds like something that a team of mission builders could be working on if they were to organize. Or it can happen in a disorganized fashion as well. I know quite a bit of the 4.09 content has already been used. Surely that will happen a few months after 4.10 is out as well. I was personally thinking about a short Hs129 campaign.

Both planes are not made in IL-2 standards. Good looking for you in the first or second look, but the problem lies deeper in the models.

And the F86 cockpit exceedes the given limits so much, thats its not even worth to be considered. Sorry.




EDIT: there is no need of a cockpit for a plane to be incorporated, as you say. It can be AI with an option to get a cockpit later. Just BTW. :)

JC is working on his projects as 3rd party with our help (if needed).
He has more or less close contact to us and we hope his efforts will lead to the implementation of what he likes to bring along, given, that standards are kept of course. Looks good, I'd say.

We are not closing our eyes before the PTO, not at all. Future work will hopefully reorientate more into that direction. But you are right, 4.10 still plays mainly in Europe.

This I can vouch for. I have used many modded cockpits over the years and I have a powerful computer, but this is the first one I have seen that I can say caused visible slowdown for my PC.
I have noticed that JapanCat is making a new version of his A6M visual update. I take it this is to bring it up to DT standards?

Thak you Caspar for keeping the Pacific theater alive.

If I had the ability I would make or fund a new 3D model for the Hawk 81 series, and I hope that someone is working on a P40N for use in China.

The entire China, Burma, India Thertre of Operations is a very neglected "forgotten battle" that has an amazing wealth of plane types, terrain, and campaigns over the entire span of the Second World War, and actually many years prior.

Imagine Curtiss Hawk biplanes flying along side I-15s trying to intercept Japanese Fiat bombers escorted by Ki 27s, or A5Ms?

I drool over the idea.

That's great to hear. As you say, there's plenty of talented and dedicated campaign builders in the community. Keeping your focus on stuff that only TD can do makes sense 100%.

Last time I bother TD about 4.10.Any guess of when patch might be released?

When testing is done.

Two weeks time.

Is that two weeks real time or Oleg time http://www.mission4today.com/images/.../th4_1_721.gifhttp://www.mission4today.com/images/.../th4_1_721.gif

You can have it right now!












...but it wouldn't be much fun though. :rolleyes::-P

Oh! %#$@. I was happy for just a moment. This was not funny! :evil::evil::evil:

:grin:

I think it's very funny! Don't you think a new topic will be openend when 4.10 is finished?

:):(:grin:

Worse ! It could be Microsoft time !! http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8878/roflbe3.gif

Two month at least,I guess.

Hope you´re wrong...maybe...:confused:

Hello TD,

do you guys plan to implement Claymore's work on the FW190 cockpits. Because what he did is litterally stunning ! I don't give the link, but you can watch it on the Check-six forum if you don't know him. (It's in French btw).

Cheers.

Oktoberfest

Cockpit repaints have to remain within official limits (which is 8MB texture size for cockpits). AFAIK Claymore's work exceeds this by far ... So the answer is no.

That 8 megs is quite old limit, so I think it can be pushed little to around 16-20Mb. I recall that the Tempest pit already did pushed the texture & poly limits little, but it was one of the last pits from the official 3rd party development days (so it's quite new actually).

That 8Mb limit didn't include damage textures or night textures, so it should be enough to do a nice looking pit. It's not the size that matters, it's how you paint it. ;) Why we haven't seen a Gladiator pit repaint? Because it doesn't need one.

Doh! :mrgreen:

Well, that happens when you're not totally fluid with stuff like that. *note to myself: stick to historical details* :rolleyes:

S!

Der Wüstenfuchs's Bf109 cockpits were also shrinked in size by Cirx, member of a certain community content creating site..;)

First post, and a good time to thank TD for thier amazing work. 4.09 was superb, while 4.10 will, I reckon, be a big milestone for the game- so take all the time you need fellas to deliver a classic. Also, congratulations on the license agreement, you guys justly deserve it and it should bring nothing but benefits to the whole community. Nice one.
Soon your dream will be (partially) realised! Theres no HawkIII as yet, but...

I'm knee deep in building an epic, historically accurate Sino-Japanese campaign for the stock game. It currently stands at 105 missions spanning the years 1937-Dec 1941, and will be split into 3 parts. Part one ('37-Dec '38)will be tested and released shortly after 4.10 is out ( like I said, take all the time u need TD..please!) and presently consists of 43 missions:

Fly I-16 Type 5s with the VVS volunteers in thier combat debut over Nanking, and thier desperate struggle over the doomed city
Fly ground attack sorties at the bitter Battle of Tai'erzhuang in the new I-15bis
Take part in the Gladiator's combat debut, and fight in a detailed Battle 4.29, the largest air battle of the conflict.
Attack shipping on the Yangzi river; fly escorts and point defence during the epic Battle of Wuhan
Support Chinese troops at thier crushing victory at Wanjialing

Each part will come with printable maps illustrating the various strategic situations and how the stock maps fit together/over the real geography, plus historical notes on the missions etc.
I'll be putting some screenies up soon on M4T.

p.s if anyone could help me out with an I-16 type 5 skin it'd save me alot of work....

Wow, very cool. I am really looking forward to this.

And I need to edit my wish list, I said Hawk 81, and meant to say Hawk 87. Our early P40 is excellent, it's the late models that are awful.

Now, for that Hawk III...


:grin:

You know an update to the P-40 lineup would definitely be a good thing to see. The P-40 is one of those aircraft that spans most of the conflict and shows up virtually everywhere. They were being used well into late 1944 with the latest versions in the Pacific, Italy, Russia and so forth. Upgrading what we have an maybe adding a version or two could be really useful.

Fixing that dihedral problem with the wings would be good.

I believe the highest performing version we're lacking is the P-40N which was produced in fairly significant numbers if I remember correctly.

Correct, the P40N was the highest production version.

The total number of all variants was 13,738, 5000 were P40Ns.

OK, good to know you are aware of his work. I think it's the most detailled and pushed cockpit and exceeds by far a simple painting (with adding and refining lots of elements in the cockpit).

Anyway, one day it'll be implemented, I'm sure :)

Best regards and thanks for the quick reply. Hope everything is going well in the testing of the 4.10.

Hello
 

Hello team daidalos, i like the work you've done for il2.

But theres a thing that i noticed when flying the SM79: it turns like a spitfire.
I think this isnt accurate, maybe this needs a fix from the upcomming patch.

thanks

Well, indeed, most aeroplanes turn exactly like the Spitfire: when wings are not level, you pull the stick and move the elevators. Result = a turn. I really can't see how this is not accurate. SM-79 has ailerons on wings so it can roll, and also has elevators in the back.:rolleyes:

Also, if you pull e.g. 3 Gs with SM-79 and 3 with Spit, yes, your turn rate at the same speed is pretty much the same. Can SM-79 handle even that much after 4.10 for longer periods, is another question.

According to IL2 Compare with the 4.09 data tables the SM.79 doesn't have anywhere close to the Spitfires turn rate. What it does have is very low speed turning capabilities which is not unusual for bombers. It's still not very fast at all.

I was very impressed with the turn rate of a B-17 I saw at an airshow once. It can really turn quickly when not weighed down by bombs and ammunition. It doesn't mean it turns at fighter speeds like the Spitfire does.

That's my experience taking a hop in a B-25 a few years ago...

She felt pretty spritely with no bombs, guns, crew with full gear/parachutes/sidearms, and with the very heavy tube radio equipment replaced by modern solid state gear. And this was on the current 100 Octane Low Lead Avgas that limits maximum manifold pressure. (They did run it up to 41" on takeoff though...).

Gee, I didn't know there still were people who took IL2 Compare so seriously.

What's wrong with IL2 Compare?

so much wrong here ..

You start a turn with rudder at the same time banking with ailerons, as well as applying elevator

just pulling on the stick, thus moving the elevators doesn't result in a turn at all !!! .. it results in a change of pitch .. in a diving turn from level you might even push on the stick a bit to properly make the turn

it's the correct application of yaw (rudder), roll (ailerons) and pitch (elevators) at a particular speed that result in the best turn rate

G-force equality does not co-relate directly to turn rate / radius at all between different aircraft !

Sorry, but this is demonstrably false in IL-2 and also in real life. Fly straight and level, roll the plane into a bank using ailerons alone - it will start to turn. With any significant bank, the nose will also tend to drop, so you need to pull back on the stick to compensate.

The only use for rudder in turning is to 'keep the ball centred' - to avoid sideslipping or skidding. In tight turns with a prop-driven aircraft, most of the forces generated by the rudder are needed to counteract the gyroscopic forces from the prop, which is why you find yourself having to apply 'inside rudder' when turning one way, and 'outside rudder' when turning the other.

And at a given pressure altitude, airspeed and angle of bank, in a coordinated turn (i.e. no sideslip), the radius/rate will for most practical purposes be the same for any aircraft. This is down to simple physics.

<sigh> .. gotta love bank and yankers .. or was that yank and bankers ?

you roll a plane using ailerons, not elevator

of course, once you are in a bank, it's the application of elevator that results in a turn

it's to greater degree engine (and prop) torque than gyroscopic precession that results in the need for rudder compensation depending on direction of turn, even in WWI rotaries .. just go check technical articles at Old Rheinbeck to confirm

and though I've directly asked Oleg, TD, and others familiar with the IL-2 FM. I've never been able to get an answer whether IL-2 FM simulates gyroscopic precession at all .. something I'd like to know for putting WWI aircraft into IL-2, where the effect is needed for proper fm on rotary engined planes.

regardless .. from my experience, *kicking* the rudder slightly in IL-2 can result in a quicker turn . and I make slight rudder compensation during the turn with good effect as you describe

Read carefully combat flight training manuals, and you'll find judicious rudder use is an important component in starting turns and maintaining them

the physics are not "simple" .. weight, wing area, wing foil profile, control surfaces' design, prop thrust and several other factors come into play regarding potential turn radius .. easy to demonstrate in IL-2 or even in a 12+ year old Red Baron II/3D Advanced Flight Model, that does simulate gyroscopic precession

or we can just agree to disagree

Ok, I'll admit to an obvious typo - now corrected.

I can't see much point in arguing torque vs gyroscopic precession unless you can explain how the torque changes as the result of a turn.

And please read what other people have written regarding turns:
Do you agree or disagree with this statement? And if you disagree, can you explain why?

Well, at first read I agreed with it, or thought I did. On second look however, it doesn't mention the g force generated by the turn, and if that's not the same, the rate of turn will be different. Different aircraft can sometimes pull different maximum g forces at the same speed and altitude, this is as I understand it largely, but not entirely, down to the wing loading.

Huh?

It's useful for establishing baseline comparisons between aircraft. Ridiculous statements that say that a bomber can turn as fast as a Spitfire can be easily proven otherwise quickly without having to load it up and show the turn times yourself. It's not a perfect measurement but when you're comparing types or laying out the groundwork for an online or offline mission it can be very useful.

If the angle of bank is the same, the speed is the same, and the aircraft isn't sideslipping, the G force will be the same too.

For a fairly simple discussion of the issue, see here:http://www.auf.asn.au/groundschool/umodule1b.html#turns

Some aircraft can withstand higher G forces than others (greater structural strength), and some aircraft can sustain higher rates of turn than others (more power), but this doesn't alter the relationship between bank angle, speed, and rate of turn.

I just want an early model with the wing guns removed to save weight (a fairly common field mod in Soviet service)...

It is a pretty easy armament option to create and would add quite a bit (at least for those who want to see a P-40 with two cowling 0.50s and prided, of all things imaginable, for its climb rate over the Hurricane).

That could be as "easy" as an armament option... I wonder.

True. And Also I flew Ju-88C the last time and I got three shot downs against Yak 9 which decided to turn with me in one flight. I thought I will be a dead man in this heavy fighter, but I really enjoyed the turn rate.

The J88c is not in 4.10 as far as I can recall? It is in one of the unmentionable mods and I think recent updates to that mod have nerfed it's uber prowess in the turn department.
:grin:

you guys are crazy, everyone knows you turn by pressing the arrow keys... geezzzzz...

Any news? :(

Turnrate
 

Hello again,

When talking about the SM79 turning like a spitfire, i mean that it can keep its energy almost like a spitfire does when turning.

Infact i could yank back the stick fully, while useing max trim for turning.
The speed never dropped below 230 km/h, while i was on max fuel with 2x 500kg bombs.:cool:
It just wont stall.
I cannot do that with a HE111, Bf110, B25 or some other bomber.

I'm not really going to get in complex discussion on this here Andy

How it is not completely obvious to you that a small light weight plane traveling at a lower speed will turn tighter than a larger heavier plane traveling at greater speed, yet both can be achieving the same G-force ... well .. I don't know what to say .. think Zeke vs P-38 ..

Turning with the direction of torque will result in slightly better turn, with regards to WWII and modern single engine aircraft

Gyroscopic effects are relatively minor with inline engines because the rotating mass is relatively minor in relation to the mass of the plane

Perhaps I've not paid close enough attention, however I've not noticed Gyroscopic precession effects in IL-2 and only torque effects on take-offs

Again, it would be useful to know whether or not IL-2 models gyroscopic precession at all .. in these aircraft types, even single prop ( 2 or 4 engined planes cancel out with counter rotation ) types, the effect is likely so minor in real terms, that it may not have been worth the CPU cycles to include.

Rheinbeck pilots of rotary engined Camel claim the aircraft's ability to turn to the right so much better than to the left is more due to torque than gyroscopic precession .. though to some degree they too notice the tendency for the nose to rise and the requirement to apply down - inside rudder , which in turn slows the plane to stall speed if one tries to maintain altitude .. where to the right, the nose will tend to dive requiring up - outside elevator to maintain level flight .. however, it seems (not sure here) that because one is going in the direction of the torque and tending to dive, speed can be maintained better to prevent stalls

regardless .. I'm here to get news about the release and features of 4.10 and don't desire to add more pages to this thread

The He-111, Bf-110, and B-25 don't have automatic slats. These greatly enhance lift at low speeds or high angles of attack.

why
 

why do i bother checking for updates im such a loser

No,we will be the first to know when 4.10 is released.

.
 

''The He-111, Bf-110, and B-25 don't have automatic slats. These greatly enhance lift at low speeds or high angles of attack''

Yes but those dont prevent stalls, or provides more enginepower.

Turning sharply (minimum radius turn) in the SM79 while carrying a max bomb load and fuel, feels like its on rails. No shaking, or other warnings that you are near the aircrafts limit.
And it will keep up its speed the whole time. :confused:

Even when flying a bf109, if your turning sharply, your speed reduces, and you will end up with a nose down attitude.

I have the most recent. Installed two weaks ago

Patience is not a virtue bestowed upon us at birth, patience is a learned virtue :-P

Enjoy the updates, check out the 4.09 and coming 4.10 updates. You'll find the IL2 is still the front runner air combat flight sim. In other words, there is NOTHING BETTER.

Finaly, the 4.10,you expecting release for 2010 or later....? It suppose to relaase in may and we are on end of june...!!!

You must learn to be patient.
It will be a big and free update, so don't panic. TeamDaidalos are working on his free time to do a good job and that's always more complicated than expected.

Remember they are working for free, spending his free time on it, to bring us great moments of flight.

If you see the videos of first post you will understand the complexity of adds on this update.

I've read somewhere a joke about it. 4.10 = 4th October...

:D :D lol
Here is just a teaser...;)
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...otos/239-4.jpg
An additional skin (WIP): ace Magg. Giuseppe Cenni MOVM, Wing Commander of 102° Gruppo, 5° Stormo.

I understand the complexity of all the enterprise and i know the level of work it need, but my squad waiting for a long time to get the last patch 4.10 to upgrade our team and restart on new level...
We will be patient of course, it's only the date of may/june who intrigate us and we will want answers about that...
It, s ok for us.....
By the way, Well DOne for all your work and the precious time to get on it...!
Tanks for the C.A.F of QUebec..( CAribou Air Force.)

Drools...
Perharps,I´d rather fly 2002 than 2000...I love the turquoise painting.

There's quite a bit of new and complex content. No wonder it's taking some time to get all sorted out. I'm sure it'll be ready in good time.

Second postings never get famous.

2 weeks

I am curious about how difficult it would be to program the game to provide red and blue smoke as options in addition to the white smoke we already have.

Colored smoke would make a substantial difference to aerobatic displays.

My mother in law alwas say! The one who waits for something good does not wait in vain.....4.10......SOW:)

For time and delays i expect nothing less than completely different game. It ll be frustrating if not. Lets wait and see! 2 months delay is to be unpatient.

Sometimes i think if Oleg asked TD guys to delay the patch as a strategy, problably he ll delay SoW and wants to prepare us pyschologicaly. They ll launch 4.10 end of 2010, 4.11 end of 2011, 4.12 end of 2012, and SoW end of 2013.:|:cry::shock::evil:

I am skeptic about this ficticional release dates.

Completely different game? Hrmm... maybe they are the ones making Halo: Reach then? :P

No,not 2012.World can´t end before patch is released and enjoyed.

Hi DT,

For P-51 & YP-80, we have the K-14 gyro gunsight. Maybe, it will be a good idea to fit P-47 with this device and, still better, to fit last German fighter with Revi EZ 40 or 42 gyro gunsight. There is enough data, by example on http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/, to do that. Regards.

Leave them alone!!! I polish my x65f everyday waiting for the release of 4.10 with the possibility of using one throttle per engine!!!:-P

Maybe its about time for a public beta????
There are so many idio..,strike that, ehm.. Experts running free who can find any possible fault, if not more :-D

It was a simple suggestion for the future...:cool:

That was what I was going to say,but I avoided,to preserve my virtual integrity.
An open beta would be nice,and would satisfy we,young pilots,and help TD a lot.

ROFL ..

I'm quite sure TD has plenty of people to beta test, including a final look over by 1C people

I helped run a large beta test of 100 additional people beyond a longer term *core* test team of about 25, when Red baron II ws being made into Red Baron 3D .. it was counter productive in that we really only needed the 25, and only a few of the additional 100 had any disipline in following testing proceedures and reasonable unbiased reporting

Luckily, the only real purpose for the larger group was stress-testing the server-client software, but much time was wasted dealing with so many amatuer *experts* and their unprofessional biases and opinions of flight modeling

TD has only recently gotten 1C tools and utilities to compile the work themselves, this is likely what most of the delay is about

I don't understand the impatience, *beta* 4.09b1 was around for how long ? .. and if it not been for TD, theere likely would have never been an official 4.09m .. not that I play hours per day, but have any of you posting here actually been through all of the additions to 4.09m, much less the mods added to it by the community ?

Frankly, I think it's good we've had a few months of stability and one version of the sim to work from .. 4.10 sounds great and I'm looking forward to features mentioned that will come later in the 4.1x series, however 4.10 will be disruptive also, as 4.09m was disruptive to 4.08m and 4.09b1

So I think the last thing we need is a 4.10b and am certainly willing to wait a few more days or weeks for an official 4.10m

That there is any official support for a sim or any software this old is completely amazing .. After IL-2 1946 4.07m was released, Oleg could have just as easily forgotten about it entirely .. and I don't think anyone would have had cause to complain or ask for more

I only want them to release soon so this rambling thread can be closed .. LOL ..

Nice try but I don't think It will work, try this instead:


Dear Team Daidalos,
Every thursday we go by without the release I will drown a kitten.
http://techaddictionblog.files.wordp...ute-kitten.jpg

Think about it.

The TD upgrades to IL2 are a complete upgrade to the IL2 Core program, not through some add-on tool. They are fully compatible with IL2 and there is an approval process in place with Oleg.

Also, I recently read where there is strong possibility that the New Guinea maps from the Slot team could be included. Don't quote me on this, but the source is reliable.

Note there might also be a few other items that will be part of the 4.10 that aren't being discussed. Why aren't we told? Because with every change there are associated issues, by issues I don't necessarily mean problems.

Oleg was never one to release anything that wasn't fully workable, so this same quality requirement is being monitored carefully for TD upgrades as well.

This is all for our good, and the problems will not be with the upgrade. The problems will arise from users, their systems and mistakes.

You are going to love it, be patient.