The first time I'd seen the BOP screenshots and movies with IL-2 Strumovic in the name, that looked remarkably like early BOB screenshots, it would be easy to think the three sims were linked. The developers of both sims deny much envolvment and I have no reason not to believe them. Since both sim were doing high quality moddels of the same terrain location and era they should be remarkably alike.

edit... When the two sims are delivered I would imagine SOW will have far more detail especially at low level, but I really like what BOP has to offer.

Its no wonder Oleg doesn't post any interesting screenshots of SOW. When he does post something like this.....


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...kke/BOBSOW.jpg

It becomes this...


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...5d188ba688.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...4fb4940504.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2574/27880434mk8.jpg

I'm sure SOW will be far more advanced, but you could see where the developers don't want to risk posting anything.

The community berates them for not posting anything and steals it when they do.

Never mind any commerial competeing sims using the ideas.

I have no inside info but I've followed the development of IL-2 and SOW since the beginning on all the related forums as they changed over the years. IL-2 was 7+ years in development and they weren't updating a existing sim at the same time. SOW started development around 2004 but most of the development crew were working on Pacific Fighters in 2005/6, PE-2, IL-2 1946 etc in 2007, not to mention all the free additions. They've only had a full crew working on SOW for the last year or so. If the sim comes out in 2009 or even 2010 it will be rather remarkable to have the next benchmark developed in under 6 years.

Unfortunately do to pressures of having SOW finished they had to pull the full crew into the development, so the 4.09 patch got caught in the middle. It had to happen at some point.


The developers support of the IL-2 series is unprecedented so I really can't understand people berating the developers actions.

have you given much attention the ads for birds of prey?

The name it is being sold under and promoted

IL2 Sturmovik:Birds of Prey

http://www.1cpublishing.eu/game/il-2...-prey/overview

Would you say that excludes Oleg? I would NOT think anyone, especially another developer could use IL2 Sturmovik to promote a game.

Anyone reading that name would naturally think Oleg was associated to a large degree with that product.

The name Il2 Sturmovik is unique enough and has enough clout among users it wouldn't be smart NOT to call the BOB SOW--->

IL2 Sturmovik Storms of War: Battle of Britain

Branding is what it is all about, and Oleg has a great brand name IL2 Sturmovik

For new forum members read with interest posts from

Oleg Maddox IL-2/SOW developer
Luthier IL-2 Pacific fighters/ Korean addon to SOW
Crazyivan1970 talks to Oleg on occasion and provides valid information on their projects

some interesting posts from

SaQSon modeller
Foobar modeller



The rest of us are speculating.
Some of our speculations are based on posts from the above group.

All of us want more info. Some of us are willing to wait, others will post outrageous speculations, with nothing to back it up, in the hopes that it will draw more info from the developers.

From what I've seen over the years, any info given by the developer is more detrimental to the cause, than helpfull. Of course I'm not in the above group so read, but ignore this post.

Like I just implied in a recent post, having IL-2 Sturmovik in the title of BOP has confused alot of people. Most people are over that now. The original IL-2 was planned to only have the IL-2 Strumovik flyable, but the sim evolved many times over the years, thanks to the support of the developers. I'm sure if Oleg had a crystal ball he would have given the sim a different name.

I'm not sure the IL-2 Sturmovik name is required for product recognition or fits the discription of the future series.

I'm bored of this forum and all the fighting that goes on.
The only ones who can say for sure what is going on is Oleg or Ilya,and they don't even bother anymore,everything else is either people arguing that SoW is dead (why bother coming here anymore if you believe that?) or people who presume to speak for Oleg or Ilya,and feel the need to repeat the same thing over and over.

Yes its obviously a waste of time repeating the same things over and over. I thought it might help new forum members, even knowing it would irritate some regulars. :)

LOL :grin:

You will never make everyone that reads one of your postings happy.

Happiness is the reader's choice and it's not chosen alot here.

Look dude,

I don't know were you're going with your posts but im sick of them.
You've been given enough evidence that IL2-POB has nothing to do with BOB:SOW, now either you just accept it or simply get lost.. since you don't even seem to trust the developers.

Besides, the IL2 Birds of Prey version is a great move for 1C to get more involved in the console business. Myself and probably everyone on this forum is a hardcore PC gamer but it's a great move and today the console market is neccessary for any developer/publisher.

Even the almighty pc developer ID SOFTWARE and their Code guru John Carmack stated that they've to create console games now to keep up with the market, nonetheless he was sure to point out that "they would still be making PC games even if it wouldn't sell the same , simply because it was the right thing to do" (make PC games).

SoW will be great, it's all flight fans and ww2 worshiper's wet dream an all new engine , new features , sounds in other words another benchmark Sim / Engine.

I think people should admire them for making this a pure PC game since it's not easy today and then accept BOP as an entry to the console market.

People should be glad we don't get a BOP port to the PC, but instead a full featured hardcore flightsim developed by the IL2 team for the >>>>PC<<<<.