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Rjel 11-17-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 481943)
:lol:

"America **** YEAH, USA USA USA..."

Mean while the rest of the world..

"Sigh...."

More and more I wish the rest of the world would "sigh" it's self right to hell. Your self righteous posts really wear thin. Give China a call if you need help of any nature in the future. I'm sure they are chomping at the bit to help. I'd rather my tax dollars stay home for a while.

major_setback 11-17-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha (Post 482003)
The clue is in the name of the tile of the sketch its the same as my misspelling.

You failed on all levels with this rhetorical attempt of irony.

Have another go.

:razz:

You missed my Google link (posted under the video), showing the appropriate spelling.

http://www.google.se/#hl=sv&sclient=...pw.r_qf.&cad=b


So no need to try again :-)
.

Faustnik 11-18-2012 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw* (Post 481826)
In the crucial period Jan. 1944 to September 1944, the Western Allies had the superior technology versus Germany. The Mustang and Spitfire of that time period were superior to the German aircraft they opposed, (primarily the 109G6) and despite not having any better numbers advantage than the Germans had during the BoB, the better aircraft told.

The lufwaffe had good fighters in 1944 for technology. The Bf109s and fw190 had improved power.

The improvment for the allies was pilot training.

The Soviets has a problem with tech in 1941 to mid 1942.

The RAF maybe had a tech problem in mid 1942, but, it was a very small fight.

RAF, US and USSR trained a large number of pilots with new tactics.

LW had kept their veteran pilots in combat.

Catseye 11-18-2012 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw* (Post 481826)
In the crucial period Jan. 1944 to September 1944, the Western Allies had the superior technology versus Germany. The Mustang and Spitfire of that time period were superior to the German aircraft they opposed, (primarily the 109G6) and despite not having any better numbers advantage than the Germans had during the BoB, the better aircraft told. During that time period the Western Allied airforces established complete air superiority, destroyed the German ability to manufacture and distribute fuel, attritioned the German pilot cadre to the point it could not recover and managed to land in France and liberate it. During the same time period, in an effort to counter the Allied air offensive, the Germans committed the bulk of their airforce to oppose the Western Allies, reduced their aircraft opposing the Soviets to the point the Soviets also gained complete air superiority, and were able to mount a ground offensive which liberated most of the remainder of the Soviet Union as well as seizing the oil assets in Rumania.

The Allied and Soviet air superiority greatly improved their ground force's ability to mount offensives as well as advancing and capturing territory. The lack of fuel, (due to the Western Allied bombing of German assetss) on the German side led to strategic paralysis, the inability to maneuver and position reserves to counter Allied or Soviet attack thrusts, or properly exploit counterattacks. (France being the primary example)

In the second half of 1944 and the first half of 1945, the Germans began to produce a few superior aircraft, in particular the Me-262, but these were built in too small numbers and the Luftwaffe could not take advantage of this superiority due to the lack of trained and experienced pilots remaining, (many not being trained sufficiently in the flight schools due to the lack of fuel allocated to training, a direct result of the bombing campaign) and the misallocation of the few aircraft which were produced. And of course, the situation on the ground had irretrievably deteriorated to the point Germany had lost most of the resources it needed to continue.

Source?
Or your conjecture?

Faustnik 11-18-2012 05:58 AM

Buzzsaw has solid sources.

I was just pointing what was the main advantage of the Allies where excellent training.

JG52Krupi 11-18-2012 10:19 AM

Training and numbers, having that many pilots allowed for rotations/rests, something that the luftwaffe could not afford to give its pilots.

@Buzzsaw- The aircraft were not "superior" they just had the upper hand it was the numbers and when it comes to things like fuel manufacturing it was also numbers that destroyed them too a HUGE amount of bombers constantly pounding crucial facilities to dust.

Hood 11-18-2012 12:50 PM

I always thought the allies one because they had more people and more stuff?

Nuclear bombs just sped the end up that's all. I'm not even getting into the rights and wrongs of dropping them. The delivery method wasn't special though. It was a bomb dropped from a plane.

Hood

lonewulf 11-18-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw* (Post 481826)
In the crucial period Jan. 1944 to September 1944, the Western Allies had the superior technology versus Germany. The Mustang and Spitfire of that time period were superior to the German aircraft they opposed, (primarily the 109G6) and despite not having any better numbers advantage than the Germans had during the BoB, the better aircraft told. .

I'd be very interested to see the basis for your assertion that the western allies didn't have an overwhelming advantage in fighter aircraft in 1944. And given that the numerical advantage the Germans held in single seat fighters at the beginning of BoB was but a few hundred, this doesn't really sound like a particularly useful or valid comparison.

raaaid 11-18-2012 01:36 PM

the truth is that war was won thank to certain unknown churchill brillliant move:

they were losing badly so they influenced the natzis into bombing civilians instead of strategy targets known to be not only harmless in the big scheme of war but besides boosting own war moral

how he did it?

he commanded a 007 small bomber on a full moon to bomb london and make it appear as a natzi raid and as this justify what appeared a retalation(something on the maine style and as some propose 911)

hitler with his philosophy of two eyes for an eye fell for it dumbly

this changed the course of war had this not happened then we would be all praising hitler

JG52Krupi 11-18-2012 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by raaaid (Post 482131)
the truth is that war was won thank to certain unknown churchill brillliant move:

they were losing badly so they influenced the natzis into bombing civilians instead of strategy targets known to be not only harmless in the big scheme of war but besides boosting own war moral

how he did it?

he commanded a 007 small bomber on a full moon to bomb london and make it appear as a natzi raid and as this justify what appeared a retalation(something on the maine style and as some propose 911)

hitler with his philosophy of two eyes for an eye fell for it dumbly

this changed the course of war had this not happened then we would be all praising hitler

OMFG... Is that supposed to be funny?


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