Picture not needed, I go on every night and get a game no problem. Small community maybe but regulars are still there!

I agree with SEE.

Also I believe that publishers 505 games are not awful. They publish games that very few other publishers would gamble on. And I don't think you can blame them for the patch delay. Armoured Core games are published by 505 and they have constant title updates coming out, so 505 know what they are doing.

Well 79% on GameRankings over 12 reviews kind of indicates otherwise. I would be interested to hear what half you think is missing... There's a good campaign, and shyte load of extra single missions and fun online. Admittedly the online generates the impression it's empty when it wasn't, which wasn't good for the title, but I'm still interested to know how you think everything on the disk only constitutes half a game?

And what makes you say it's badly coded? In caps no less. You're entitled to your opinion of course, and if you don't like the game that's fine. But don't make statements about it that are false. Give examples.

No-one said it was perfect, but it is good. The patch will be welcome, but even if it doesn't come, this game is up the with the best of my collection. My opinion, and clearly it's different from yours.

God, I am sick to death of hearing about the P bloody 51 and the other couple of dodgy planes. There 40 odd fkin planes in the game. Fly another one. Plus, the P51 was as broken in the demo as it is in the final game. Maybe you should have tried that and saved yourself and ourselves all the moaning?

Well, you know the answer then don't you?

This is ignorant and wrong. Developers are at the mercy of publishers. And 505 games, despite what a lot of you may think, do deserve credit, not only for taking the gamble with this niche product at a time when the whole world is desperate for revenue, but also for putting out the patch, despite the delay.

I think this is the core of your's and all other PC converts problem... You had massive expectations for this game, and as such it didn't meet them. It's not the dev's or the publisher's fault that the product that they've released doesn't meet your expectations. But those of us that evaluate it on it's own merits, and not what it could have or should have been, are having fun with it.

Again, ignorant and niave about the workings of the game industry. Publishers don't give a crap what gamers want. They look at their spreadsheet of what sells and make more of it until it stops selling. Now and then the odd publisher will take a risk on something, like 505 did with BoP. But when it gets thrown back in their face it's going to make them less inclined to do so. So it's behaviour like yours that is endangering these sorts of releases.

Now we wait. They said the update went to Sony on the 18th for approval. Can't wait for it, and then the cockpit patch. :grin:

Is that really your response to complaints about the American planes? Fly another one? Give me a break.

Anyone who knows anything about WW2 avation will know the P-51 and P-47 were among the most effective and deadly planes of the era. And don't give me the "P-51 is supposed to fight at high altitudes" crap. It could hold it's own in a phone booth.

And I'm guessing there were no issues with the P-51 in the demo because we assumed the full payload of rockets had a little something to do with it. With that said, it would not have made a difference if people were complaining then, since all we have recieved is another broken plane and a few "missions".

Anyway, I still have my copy which I recieved on Day 1, and I don't see myself getting rid of it soon. But if this (360) update takes another month and there is no news on DLC or cockpits, I will dump it on principle alone.

I must say that not having the correct cockpit for the P-51D-NT5 (which I think is the model in the game) is a bugger because there's a second slip indicator ball on the gunsight housing that really helps with keeping coordinated through a guns pass. Still not sure why the wrong 'pit was used - was any explanation ever offered as to why?

With a wing-loading of about 39 lbs per square foot, higher than yak-3 and almost as high as the bf109, I wouldn't count on a p51 to win a low-turn radius fight. You need low wing loading to stay mobile at low speed. Such as the Spitfire at about 24 lbs/ft^2, and the Zero at 22. Without low wing-loading, you need high thrust-to-weight to fight the planes that do. P51D had 0.18 hp/lb, same as the Zeros and among the lowest of all the fighters. How's that for knowing something?

P51 enjoyed a serious numerical advantage from the moment it entered service, and its primary role was escort and interception at high speed, and ground support, like it was designed for. That's where it got its kills and its reputation.

so the fact that the game needs a patch as its broken and doesnt furfill what it says it does on the back of the case wont harm this game genre then ?


all this arguing about this game is crud its took what was when i first came here a great and tight comunity and split it down the middle and made us all cranky and bitchy at each other i put most of that down to all this waiting for a patch and the fact that 505 game cant even be bothered to inform the very comunity that was supporting this game by simply making a single post to reasure ppl that the patch was even coming :evil:


rant over

The P-51 handling has been explained and makes perfect sense. The plane is right, just not set for immediate combat flight. It's not the model that's wrong. It'll get tweaked.
I've had plenty of games I enjoyed that had a lot more flaws than this one and I didn't let it drive me off. If you want a perfect game these days, you won't get it. They're too complex and too easy to patch later. Just how it is, we aren't playing space invaders anymore. Point out issues but the incessant bitching gets old and just annoys the other fans, since most associated with the game itself won't even be around to read it.

QFT
there's no such thing as a perfect game, and prob never will (maybe exept for MGS3-4 I went completly nuts over these titles, matter of opinion tho). Lets not kid ourselves here. This game offers a great gaming experience, the little tweaks will prob make it even better (joysticks and other stuff def cant hurt)... but if u cant enjoy this game as it is right now, you prob wont like it even after the patch came in.