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Originally Posted by Ben Scammell (Post 382852)

David Hayward said:

Not that tough surely? Oh people like yourself take me plenty seriously, that's why the casual assertiveness classes...

Perhaps it's the open invitation to ludicrousness that also keeps posters such as yourself coming back, desperate for the see-you-on-your-way-out.

And yet this is a games forum, about a game. Perhaps you need the attention? Speaking for myself, I would just like a playable BoB game.

The sooner the smoke is cleared, and the producers of smoke, the better. But I'm not betting it on it anytime soon, and really rather wishing to be removed. Of course, it is your intent to keep me here. Any focus, in such cases, other than the game itself...which would be seemingly rather less appealing to fans such as yourself, than the arguments surrounding it.

If the ardent fans are reduced to arguing about it, and defending it, as opposed to playing it, that speaks volumes.

But me, time for the headphones....

Are you really trying to say that the game is broken and being abandoned because it has fans? and the only real way to fix it is to allow unhindered slander of it?..........we have just found a new level of ludicrousnes

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 382835)

Fixed?.....no, nothings ever fixed with games, improved?......yes by comparisson to release, when the next patch is released we will see more improvement, I don't think you will ever find anyone that will give you a fixed date on when a patch will be done for any game.

Sad part of all this even if 1C could 'fix' <insert your whine here> most wouldn't even realize it..

For example.. take DM's..

If you want to see something REAL FUNNY ask the next person that makes the claim that the DM is 'broken' to explain just what it is about the DM that 'consider' to be broken..

Brace yourself first!

Because if they even bother to 'try' and explain it, as opposed to attacking you personally for asking them to explain it, you will be presented with a 'reply' heavy/full of 'opinion' and light/empty of 'facts'..

Why?

Well because the DM is one of those things for which there is no 'right' answer!

Thus each flight sim makers does what they consider (read opinion) to be correct.

Which means it comes down to one opinion vs. another, thus no mater what 1C does to the DM it will be viewed by some as 'fixed' and viewed by others as 'broken'.

Think that is bad? Well on an even sadder note, Take things like FMs where there actually is a right answer, even in those cases you will find some that will insert their 'opinion' as to why the 'real world data' that 1C used to 'simulate' the plane is wrong.

Knowing that, is the real reason 'why' this (nay any) sim will never be completely 'fixed' because.. Because most people base 'fixed' on thier opinions.

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Originally Posted by furbs (Post 382848)

ive spent 1500 quid on a PC on the stories we was told about CLOD and how it would be.

Check out philip.ed's quote in my sig.. Even he admits we recived what was advertised.

As for 'stories' about what CoD would be..

Well they are just that..

Stories.

Combine that with peoples ability to blow things out of proportion and expect the moon and it is easy to see why some people are so upset..

That is to say that is a good 'reason' for them to be upset, but that is not a good 'excuse' for them to be upset.

Oleg himself said the AI would be much improved over IL2. its not...its much much worse.

OK lets not go over the same stuff over and over again.

Both camps are guilty of complaining, most of them visible here on the boards. And then there are those that can use this game, but who use PM to luthier to complain of the aircraft shake...and so the game suffers

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 382884)

OK lets not go over the same stuff over and over again.

Given the number of times you have posted this request... jeez... what a hypocrite ;)

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Originally Posted by furbs (Post 382883)

Oleg himself said the AI would be much improved over IL2. its not...its much much worse.

The AI in this game has some serious quirks, the mad rolling, especially with the big birds obviously noteworthy. But anybody comparing AI behaviour by taking a spin in quick missions will immidiatly notice the AI IS much improved. In IL2 I just had to go into a gentle bank and the AI would happily spend all it's ammo happily shooting into nothingness. Try the same here and ouch. The AI also does some really good scissoring and in general is a much greater challenge then in the old Il2.

Bewolf the AI do exactly the same thing in CLOD.
ive stopped playing single player because of the AI.

A perfect example of what I said wrt DMs

AI like DMs.. opinions abound