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AndyJWest 06-24-2010 08:11 PM
Ok, I'll admit to an obvious typo - now corrected.

I can't see much point in arguing torque vs gyroscopic precession unless you can explain how the torque changes as the result of a turn.

And please read what other people have written regarding turns:
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And at a given pressure altitude, airspeed and angle of bank, in a coordinated turn (i.e. no sideslip), the radius/rate will for most practical purposes be the same for any aircraft. This is down to simple physics.
Do you agree or disagree with this statement? And if you disagree, can you explain why?

Igo kyu 06-24-2010 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 166462)
Do you agree or disagree with this statement? And if you disagree, can you explain why?
Well, at first read I agreed with it, or thought I did. On second look however, it doesn't mention the g force generated by the turn, and if that's not the same, the rate of turn will be different. Different aircraft can sometimes pull different maximum g forces at the same speed and altitude, this is as I understand it largely, but not entirely, down to the wing loading.

IceFire 06-24-2010 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jermin (Post 166270)
Gee, I didn't know there still were people who took IL2 Compare so seriously.
Huh?

It's useful for establishing baseline comparisons between aircraft. Ridiculous statements that say that a bomber can turn as fast as a Spitfire can be easily proven otherwise quickly without having to load it up and show the turn times yourself. It's not a perfect measurement but when you're comparing types or laying out the groundwork for an online or offline mission it can be very useful.

AndyJWest 06-24-2010 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Igo kyu (Post 166485)
Well, at first read I agreed with it, or thought I did. On second look however, it doesn't mention the g force generated by the turn, and if that's not the same, the rate of turn will be different. Different aircraft can sometimes pull different maximum g forces at the same speed and altitude, this is as I understand it largely, but not entirely, down to the wing loading.
If the angle of bank is the same, the speed is the same, and the aircraft isn't sideslipping, the G force will be the same too.

For a fairly simple discussion of the issue, see here:http://www.auf.asn.au/groundschool/umodule1b.html#turns

Some aircraft can withstand higher G forces than others (greater structural strength), and some aircraft can sustain higher rates of turn than others (more power), but this doesn't alter the relationship between bank angle, speed, and rate of turn.

Avimimus 06-25-2010 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by IceFire (Post 166078)
You know an update to the P-40 lineup would definitely be a good thing to see. The P-40 is one of those aircraft that spans most of the conflict and shows up virtually everywhere. They were being used well into late 1944 with the latest versions in the Pacific, Italy, Russia and so forth. Upgrading what we have an maybe adding a version or two could be really useful.

Fixing that dihedral problem with the wings would be good.

I believe the highest performing version we're lacking is the P-40N which was produced in fairly significant numbers if I remember correctly.
I just want an early model with the wing guns removed to save weight (a fairly common field mod in Soviet service)...

It is a pretty easy armament option to create and would add quite a bit (at least for those who want to see a P-40 with two cowling 0.50s and prided, of all things imaginable, for its climb rate over the Hurricane).

IceFire 06-25-2010 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Avimimus (Post 166513)
I just want an early model with the wing guns removed to save weight (a fairly common field mod in Soviet service)...

It is a pretty easy armament option to create and would add quite a bit (at least for those who want to see a P-40 with two cowling 0.50s and prided, of all things imaginable, for its climb rate over the Hurricane).
That could be as "easy" as an armament option... I wonder.

janpitor 06-25-2010 06:54 AM
True. And Also I flew Ju-88C the last time and I got three shot downs against Yak 9 which decided to turn with me in one flight. I thought I will be a dead man in this heavy fighter, but I really enjoyed the turn rate.

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Originally Posted by IceFire (Post 166491)
Huh?

It's useful for establishing baseline comparisons between aircraft. Ridiculous statements that say that a bomber can turn as fast as a Spitfire can be easily proven otherwise quickly without having to load it up and show the turn times yourself. It's not a perfect measurement but when you're comparing types or laying out the groundwork for an online or offline mission it can be very useful.

Bobb4 06-25-2010 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by janpitor (Post 166542)
True. And Also I flew Ju-88C the last time and I got three shot downs against Yak 9 which decided to turn with me in one flight. I thought I will be a dead man in this heavy fighter, but I really enjoyed the turn rate.
The J88c is not in 4.10 as far as I can recall? It is in one of the unmentionable mods and I think recent updates to that mod have nerfed it's uber prowess in the turn department.
:grin:

rjhill899 06-25-2010 02:44 PM
you guys are crazy, everyone knows you turn by pressing the arrow keys... geezzzzz...

Ernst 06-25-2010 05:28 PM
Any news? :(


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