Well i see it differently...in fact there is such a huge difference between CLOD and its developers and ROF and jason.

I brought ROF right at the start and have supported it through the hard times and never felt let down or aggrieved, ive never posted anything negative on the ROF forums even when ROF was in its early days and was having problems...why?

Because they have always been up front and honest about the games problems and have ALWAYS posted info, updates and blogs telling us what they are working on, a rough idea when the next patch will be out and if they are slipping they tell you why..they have always had a road map and a long term plan.

If they say they going to do something...THEY DO IT.

But most of all they FIX things and they stay fixed.

Each patch that is released has made progress and improved the sim.

ROF works.

Yes RoF works, after two years it is a nice game, with constant paid for DLM, and its still on the edge of going under at any time. Their fanbase is only growing slowly.
If Jason is fed up of people complaining on a forum which is almost 100% positive, how do you think Luthier feels.
I think (hope) Jasons post made people perk up and take notice on the RoF forum, and I mentioned it because what he said is also valid here.
People whinging and whining, and constantly having forum fights here DOES damage these sims, and endanger their future, so don't be surprised if action is taken against people who do it.

Even in the first tough days of ROF they made progress with each patch.
They dont make stuff up.
They told you what is being fixed...and guess what? it got fixed in the patch.
then they moved on to the next problem, and so it went on.

Jason always answers posts even when he doesn't know the answer, if they cant do it yet, that is what Jason tell you.
Ive never felt ive had smoke blown up my pipe with Jason.

The core of ROF works and has always done so.

Today...CLOD still has the same problems it had 8 months ago. the core problems have not been fixed,.

FM
DM
CEM
AI
SOUND(getting better but still many problems)
COOPs
CRASHES

what have they been doing for 8 months?

like i say...a big BIG difference between ROF and Jason and CLOD and luthier.

Jason wasn't onboard until approximately nine months after the release of RoF.

furbs, the reason you're not whining on the RoF forum is because Jason would ban you in about 2 seconds. He doesn't put up with any of the BS that is posted in here.

Thats your opinion David, your wrong but your welcome to it. Thats truly how i feel about ROF and CLOD.

It's not my opinion. I am in that forum a lot. You would be banned in about 2 seconds for the sort of stuff you do in here. That is a fact.

Ok...last ever reply to you David.

What ever...

If I may comment...The whole story strated with Oleg 10 years ago...I would say that most of present faithful followers were there too.
Oleg used to share with us almost daily with comments and small updates. Then they became weekly, every friday...That was Oleg's way. He would spend hours , every week, discussing his ideas, his dreams and goals with us.
This is what Maddox Games were when it all started. This is were most of us are comming from. We were used to that . This is how it was done.
There was whining there too. Oleg would come up, clarify things and go on.
Then another complain. He would come back and show us what was done to fix the issue. Then got back working...He never let things go out of control.
He was very optimistic about COD's new technology and was always telling us that we would be very impressed with the quality of the final product. Then, 2 years ago , something went very wrong...And we were never told or explained what happend. I personnaly think that is when the whole relationship was compromised. And nothing has been done since to really heal the broken link of faith. We are still here...But we cannot really put back our hearts in 1C until ....All we can do is hope, wait, and ...whine....
Salute !

Hope and wait, yes, whine no. Those days have gone.