We really could do with some information the mood is becoming dire :(

would be good, to get some fresh info`s.

cheers

+1

Keeping loyal (some would say devoted) customers/users/virtual pilots informed never harms ;-) It may even strenghten their loyalty in some cases (like me).

... no more patch until next part of the sim ...?
 

... if that is true, ...

That means you have to buy "Battle of Moscow" in order to get CloD fixed.
What if you dont want to buy it ? Will you then just be left with an unfinished CloD or will it get automatic update via steam even if you dont buy the next part of the sim ?

Hey devs ! Dont take us for mushrooms, or why do you keep us in the dark and feed us with shit, .... hum ?

I think we can expect an answer on this, no ?
:confused::evil:

Not sure where the idea comes from, that quote say to me that they will be patching COD until it's fixed and therefore provide the a working platform for BOM.

Yes, its time for some proper news please! don`t let us down!:rolleyes:

S!

A small update or news flash would be nice indeed! :D

..."We’ll go right back to it in January, and hope to give you a new beta very soon."!................yes, how soon please ! :)

It's all part of the ritual of being a Maddox Games customer. You just have to deal with it. They won't ever change, and to be honest it's in their best interests to lie low for the moment. Any further promotion of future products only serves to draw attention to how shyte the game is in the here and now.

I think most people here are talking about CoD info not BoM, as they have already stated they are still supporting CoD.

An update on what is happening with the new gfx update would be much appreciated, is it still on hold? canned? nearly done? The lack of information is obviously causing much concern and gnashing of teeth :)

Damn let them work !

Be ready to hang them high (I am jocking pls don't take me to the word :rolleyes:) but stop harassing them like a bunch of starving kids after GrandMa cooking !

Who said that? Do not Believe in all the rumors you read on forums.
Will be patch to Clod, AND new things in sequel.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...9&postcount=89

19, 20:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...51&postcount=1

Thank you, we can only ask

Now this is akward...We have to beg for some information about a game we paid full money for but isn't quite what was "promised", and are asked to wait , and wait ,and be polite and patient, and the guy who was hired to be the "PR" guy has to ask permission , and for the last few weeks is finally not allowed to say anything...
I've been in business for 25 years now, and I would not be offended if some of my clients would be a bit annoyed if I would have sell them someting half broken, then promise to fix it soon, then tell them the fix is on the ice, and further nore, not telling them why we've stopped, and when we will resume the work ....
I dont know if my thread will be again removed, but I think my comment is
not a whining, but rather a response to BlackSix's incomprehensible situation.
SAlute !

+1

As I have said before...

It's like dating a hot girl... Even if she cheats on us, we keep coming back for more.. heh

Ihave noticed that posts are changed,dropped or deleted willynilly on this forum.
Post seem to be altered to reflect a different opinion by deletion of one or two sentences to give more "posotitive"feel.
Out of interest,who does this and why?

I can say only one thing: 1C should really hope that whatever upcoming WWII flightsim will be utter BS. Otherwise there wont be anyone left complaing just because everyone will simply leave.

I as a customer am totally pissed of the information policy of 1C. Keep it like you do guys and you will utterly fail - if your did not already....

Winger

+10000000

No one in the world is so busy that they can't spend 2 minutes writing a quick update. There's doesn't even have to be pictures, just let us know what's going on.

You sir are an enemy of this sim and a whiner!


sarcasm off


time will tell what will be....

Tvrdi nemoj biti toliko uvjeren, da če sim biti dokončan.
Pozdrav.

If the RoF were to do a Flying Tigers study using their engine, well I'd be out the 1C door before you could say 'update.' Not that I don't like CloD, I bought three installs of it, an investment for the future as it turns out, and I think it'll be the best sim out there in a few years. But at the moment it doesn't work, and won't work on my rig, so I've played it for maybe 20 minutes in the last month or so, just long enough to remind myself why I don't play it, whereas RoF works a like a charm, but I've no interest in WWI aviation.

How about a few words? It's taken me three minutes to write this email, and most of that's farting around because I've got a sticky 'i' key. Can Maddox games spare three minutes?

:-) Im not.

BalackSix's reply means that luthier did not talk to him about any update before his post appeared. Logically this means that there is no big landmark reached yet. This means that any update will not bring sufficient news to make majority happy. This means that the update will not make any difference and logically there is no point in making one.

This is the update from me :) I can make it every Friday if you want :)

Seriously, it is not reasonable to ask for news. News appear only if any so called news-making events happen. Just imagine calling a news agency every 10 minutes and asking "do you have an update for us?" As soon as there are news you will get news. There is no point in just "sucking them out of a finger" as we say.

As far as I can see the updates policy is not to post every Friday useless "We are still working on this, that and that but small issues with that and this prevent us from issuing a patch yet. We do hope that these small issues would not cause any major disaster when pieces of code are assembled and tested together. As the tests are not 100% complete unfortunately we can not give you any ETA ATM because s**t usually happens in the very last moment as anyone working in the industry knows." It goes without saying if you think about it for a minute (maybe more).

It is reasonable that if there is no news there is no update. Luthier was too optimistic bringing some premature news too early in the past IIRC and probably learned some lessons. This is a good sign to me.

As wise men say "No news is good news."

I think the next big patch ("optimisation" patch) will be crucial......turning or failing point...they know that...

Which is why they want to do it right instead of releasing it prematurely...

Mmmmm. Prematurely.

Do I want to know what's going on? Sure. Am I impatient about it? Not anymore. I simply stopped caring about it. If the new series stops right now it would be a shame but guess what? There's so much more going on sim wise than Il2 CloD. If 1C drops the ball it will be the makers of RoF that at some point will pick it up. So, it won't be the end of the world. Ok, you spend $50 on a game and it does not work. Suck it up. Spend another $50 on RoF or DCS A10 and you'll be simming you're heart out.

Apparently the developers think there's nothing to bee seen or to be exited about right now. Only one thing to do. Keep on walking nothing to see here. Recovering 10 year Il2 addict but right now my "give a Phunck 'O meter" sits at O.

Exactly..say what you want when you want, it will get edited or it won't, this forum is nothing like you've seen before as it has 2 rules not just 1 so basically you lose......everytime :)

@Crane...box art is good, I like the map in the collectors edition, it's well wicked

IMHO next patch will not solve more than 50% of crucial issues. I hope there is a chance that BoM solves 90% if the team adopts Oleg's perfectionism and uncompromising quality control procedures.

Anyway looking at 3rd party addins and scripts by Banks, Small_Bee and others I am very confident in 3-5 years this engine provides the best flight-sim experience and fun ever imagined. Not to everyone of cause.

PS. RoF and DCS are good too.

This is a ridiculous argument banded around on this forum. Collectively we as a community have spent millions of $.

If we all chipped in for a Ferrari and it wouldn't run properly should we suck that up as well?

No one is asking for premature releases etc but dropping us a line every week or so is hardly a big ask...even if there is little to report. Like I said it only takes a minute or two to write a couple of lines.

millions? on COD?

Based on this forum.. The biggest problem with CoD is not what was promised and not delivered, but what the community 'believes' was promised and not delivered. Combined that with people unrealistic 'expectations' and 3rd party 'hype' of what should have been delivered and it is easy to see why these types of people are so upset and even feel cheated.

The only cure for this feeling of being cheated is for these types of people is to take the time and list all the things they 'belive' they were promised and compare that list to what was 'actually' promised by 1C (i.e. listed on the box or official 1C web sites and advertisement). Than and only than do they stand the chance of realizing that the list is actually a very short list.

wow, already 4 pages about nothing....and the most stuff said a trillion times already in the past (from both sides btw) :D

1. Luthier said that sli and crossfire are working so I bought the game, but they're not.

2. I won't buy Battle of Moscow, this is the cure for my feeling.

Luthier has said they'll continue working on CoD so what's the problem? He has stated very clearly that they're working on CoD and BoM in parallel. I for one am very happy that they're working on the graphics....any increase in FPS is good in my book and I'm quite prepared to wait for that and many other goodies.

1c, like any other company, must pay wages and bills. They MUST develop new products to generate future earnings as they'll be out of business in no time. We really can't expect them to remain completely fixated on CoD as that would be business suicide which wouldn't be good for us or them would it?

I personally don't see any problem at all with paying full price for the BoM product if that means I immediately get access to a host of new and exciting objects, features and improvements for CoD at the same time. It could be like a new game. Most features that have been postponed for BoM were never officially promised for CoD - they were just hopeful noises made by Oleg and crew at various points in the development. As such, we really can't complain that they won't be handed out free as a CoD patch.

On the other hand, radio comms, AI and crashes do need to be addressed as patches and from what I've read from the devs, this is all in hand. All will come good in time. Be sure.;)

Bet you do.;)

Like I said.. a short list

Promise?

1C are not responsible for making Nvidia and ATI drivers.

Bet he does too! ;)

Imho it is quite delusional to expect any developer to produce a wwii flightsim in the next years, if ever.
Especially to expect a company so close to bankruptcy as 777 to "pick up the ball".
To be financially successfull a wwii sim, with the usually in this forum expected detail level, would need about 2$ for a ground object, 50$ for a map and 50$ for each more complicated model (plane or ship).
When i see the emotions running high for spending 15$ - to 70$ for a whole packet, i really can't see any customers for that.

I bet he does too, how could anybody pass up the opportunity to do twice the ammount on whinging..

+1

So what kind of drivers should we have to use?

The same as everybody else but since when did 1C make graphics drivers?

Don't know. I usually edit posts when they contain swearing, which is of course against the rules.You will usually just see **** instead of the swear word. Personal attacks on other members are just deleted. Attacks on the devs are also deleted. Trolling posts are usually just deleted. Quite often posts are moved to a more relevant sub forum. Sometimes (quite often unfortunately) you will have a few individuals who just want to have a row in a thread, and a load of their posts will get deleted, which can sometimes make a thread look a little strange. Blame them for breaking the rules (when they finish their bans) not the mod team for having to clear up their mess.
Sometimes people are warned, sometimes banned, sometimes a post is deleted and no action is taken, but the forum is a nicer place to visit.
I would never edit a post to give a more 'positive feel' as you put it, and I don't think I have ever seen that on this forum.
Apart from that, be sure to read the rules again if you have not already as discussing moderator actions is prohibited. There is an email contact on the rules page to contact admin.

bear in mind these whingers don't want to take their views to PM or private email, it 'has' to be emblazoned very publically on the boards so they can get their little fix of 'sticking it to the man'

S!

Well Luthier mentioned in one of his posts that they collaborate with BOTH brands and maybe we can expect better driver/profile support AFTER the graphics engine revision is done. No use to make a driver now to a version that will be obsolete soon. Just my opinion..mileage may differ :D

They develop a game around that drivers' graphic architecture so the game have to work with that ******* drivers.

Bongo are you playing COD on a Commodore 16?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f5...at-straws1.jpg
:rolleyes:

Thank you Uther.
Don't know what bongodriver is whingeing on about though.

Before the this topic goes down the video drivers rabbit hole.. I think it is important to point out that currently THE LIST only consits of ONE ITEM! Which is not to say or sugest that there is only ONE ITEM.. Only that all this whining about ALL THE THINGS WE WERE PROMISED.. upon closer inspection is actully a very short list! That is to say, MOST of the 'things' that the nay-saywers are upset about, wrt what we were promised are in fact fictional

Yes, fictional...like the dynamic weather, dynamic campaign, Battle Of Britain scale and immersiveness (small things I think you'll agree).

So, only the trivial stuff then.

Straws indeed.

Ben

so is every game patched when a new driver is released?.....no

I'm glad you can see the error of your ways

and here we are back to sqare 1, these things were noted on the initial relase, we have been told the roadmap to sort it out.

It is reasonable for the to address the fact that there are many many unhappy people, and the small Friday updates atleast reassures people that the Devs are still there. The fact that most people seem to only want them to pop in and say hello every Friday, and maybe throw out the odd screenshot isnt to much to add when you look at everything we have had to endure with a fully purchased game.

Communication has gotten better, but I still think that it needs to improve.

A regular Friday update from this group is not an unreasonable request, in fact its probably deserved on our part after months and months of poor communication.

No, because other games and softwares are correctly developed...and in time.
Bye Bongo

just trying to grate the same nerves

are they really?.....indeed.

I am glad they are working on it too. I am just saying the "all sims have bugs so whats the difference" is lame. Cod had WAY more bugs than most and its not the same as all other sims. It is still in WAY worse shape than most.

And no, forcing someone to buy a new product to get an already paid for product to work as advertised is dishonest and possibly fraudulent. If you see no problem with dishonesty and fraud then I guess you are ok with it.

I personally do not think they will do that, for those very reasons.

The above posts by Bongodriver are eloquent lessons in getting under the skin but misguided. They typify the 'whinging-about-whinging'. It has become a sport in itself, a game (it has to be a game because there is so little factual substance to it.)

Most of of this type of post is 'getting your retaliation in first'.

Of course, attempt to head off any perfectly valid and justified critcisms at the pass...makes those facts and criticisms disappear, pfft, just like that. Err....

It doesn't matter who makes the points, it is the game (or lack thereof) that generates them. That is the fundamental weakness in all the guardsmen who cannot bear the game to face pertinent criticism, or that anyone should be held to any sort of account.

Details, man, details.

Ben

+1...what he said.:)

+1....just make any old crap up and post it every friday, it won't change a thing anyway but at least it's 1 less thing....

A perfect example of what some 'belive' was promised vs. actully promised.. For example, it was like 3 years ago that Oleg mentioned dynamic weather.. But, prior to CoD being released 1C stated dynamic weather did not make it into the product.. So, do people base thier replies on what was actully advertised.. Or some 3 year old interview.. Which we all know was not advertised as being in the product at release.. That is to say it is not lised on the box or any official 1C website as a 'feature' of the game.. Which is why you have NOT seen anyone posting here how they won thier $50 back in a law suit based on what Oleg said in some interview 3 years prior to the release of the game.

eloquent whinging.......I like it, I see youre not used to playing sport on an even field then, you only like it when you face no challenge.

Well, as it's Pimms O'Clock in Moscow and we've heard not a thing, I guess the answer to the question is 'nyet'.

Aces, you're taking it too far. Lawsuits? No-one is going to take 1C to court based on Oleg and Luthier's posts on this forum.

But you weren't around when those posts were made. If you bought the game based on the website and the box, then of course (as a customer) you don't have many reasons to grumble about content.

But as a forum member who was frequently in contact with Oleg and saw his posts about what would be included in the game, then one would have every-reason to feel misled. When I was talking to Oleg privately about the flight-kit modelled in the game, he told me that all my criticisms would be taken on board (following revision they did following information I sent them). This never happened. I won't grumble about something so petty, but it's quite symbolical of the way this game turned out.

You can sit there telling people they are wrong to think a certain way in as many forms as you wish. The truth is that people did buy the game based on the aforementioned, and the truth is that a lot of fans felt let-down. You can't escape this.

What I don't understand, though, is the need for people to prove this to you. Why would a lot of people lie about their motives for purchasing the game? Oleg's posts may have been taken too seriously, but until the announcement he was stepping down he was tangibly related to the game. It seemed official enough.

Eloquent whinging, masquerading as hypocriticism? Interesting.

Bongo...for pity's sake...it isn't a semantic game for the vast majority. It's a game that doesn't work anywhere near how it should, for a great number of people, some of whom have spent a great deal of money.

Dragging it down to a keyboard fest does no-one any favours at all, least of all the devs. It may suit the fans to enmesh it all in meta-games and cod-witticisms (of a very low level), but the critics see through it by and large. It is a tactic, and a cheap one at that. And recognised as such.

Ben

masquerading? I don't like an even playing field either, I much prefer being on the underdog side, the whingeing is quite overwhelming but I will take it on.

That soundss a bit am-dram to my ears, even for a game forum.

The irony being, of course, that an awful lot of criticism is drowned out, or ner-ner'd into non-existence, or deleted, or otherwise kicked into touch. The stuff of a personal nature I can understand.

Much less easy to discount, and answer, are the sheer facts.

How many people here with an opinion have been involved in complex dev with a public audience?

Ben

interesting.....a great deal of money? a vast majority?

I bet most of us here have shelves stacked with games.......some that just gather dust....for that matter most of us probably have other items that cost far more just gathering dust, if you spent your kids college fund on a game then it's your problem.

I won't be so bold as to claim I have any statistics to claim a vast majority are happy, but I have noticed that I am not the only one that doesn't share your oppinions.

+1

Calm and rational is the way to do it, as above. The game itself in its present state says enough. Ultimately the more vociferous defender-of-the-faith fans must deal with that, and not the critics. No amount of pretending one is the other is going to achieve anything.

The various game modules have an uncanny way of popping up and saying' sorry, I dont work just yet' depsite what the faithful defenders may say.

The problem is, it's still a dawn chorus.

Ben

if you spent any time actually reading these forums before spouting your internet tourettes you will se plenty of criticism remains.....it's just not nearly scathing enough for you.

Bingo

Agreed 100%

Hmm.

Well it was the same in the IL2 Series, years of research and direct contact but nothing corrected or added after many e-mails with aircraft data in black and white from the manufacturer, the Russian data was the data they were sticking with, (the FW 190A8 with the Stuka prop data was the funniest though), and still we have aircraft not reaching altitude performance figures after 10 years of the same old stuff.

It's a waste of time unless there's complete public outcry unfortunately nothings listened to it would seem.

Chin up though it will soon be all fixed.

:grin:

Ignore my previous post - it was in suppor tof Philip_ed in a now-deleted 'Friday update' thread, as of a minute go, and mis-applied here.

Bondriver said:

Of course. But the damning nature of much criticism-of-the-criticism leads me to believe you are a wee bit more passionate, and annoyed about it, than that. Or perhaps the realisation that having a go at the critics is not going to improve the game itself?

It isn't about having a monopoly on opion, or even a diversity. It's about getting to the core of just how bad things are, and why, and what is being done to improve them. If the past is skated-over semi-apologetically, and the future made a never-never land of rosy improvements (that seldom happen) what is the point?

There has to be a place for stating core issues in order of seriousness, and what is to be done about them in a meaningful way.

Until we see a proper diagnosis of just how bad things are, things are not likely to really improve, if at all. That is partly why the sillier defenders-of-the-faith should not be allowed to scattergun all critics just because it suits them. It benefits no-one - least of all them. At least, that is if they really do want to see major improvements and not just sling keyboards around. It is self-defeating, ultimately, to deny perfectly valid criticism, or attack it purely because of its tone. That is childish beyond words.

The outcry could be much worse than it is. It isn't about being scathing, or one-upmanship, it's about getting the facts down, and the extent of the breakages (severe).

Ben

Nothings mis-applied or deleted, if you want to talk about updates or future patches, requests, development etc etc it will be moved here to stop the constant cluttering up of the forum main page with "where's my stuff" threads.

Please read the forum carefully in future.

Thank you.

Simply....no, the scathing criticism must be countered here, the Nett result of all the whinging is actually going to damage the prospects for this game, I have also invested money here and want my dollar to come to fruition, the accusations of being a 'fanboi' are quite unfounded on me, you will have no luck dragging up a post where I blindly 'hi5' Luthier and claim nothing is wrong.

The 'core' issue here is the game didn't work particularily well on release, the devs even openly accepted that, they have subsequently laid out a roadmap as to what they are trying to achieve, they did try to make some updates but were met with hostility from the outset, so here we are living with the consequences......way to go.

Removing or countering critcism wont help the game, it just puts a veil of smoke over it. There is far more damage done inadvertantly by trying to protect it, than being honest about it. People can read the reviews if they want a view, then decide. Special pleading by itself wont fix it. And certainly no moral high ground or protecting-of-investment in misrepresenting it.

The state of the game slowly leaked out, with grudging by-the-by admissions. There was little decorum in this from the devs, more a case of half-hearted embedded apologies-on-the-fly and subsequent jibes and swide-swipes and threats to take away the football and play elsewhere. Silly and defensive IMO, and not the right way of going about things. More shooting yourself in the foot and not just closing the door after the horse has bolted...insert further mangled metaphor of your choice.

Perhaps it is just all getting too daft for words, the game and opinions alike.

As close to a half-way house as I'll go :)

And if I'm pushed, no great bother either....

Ben

Yes it's intollerable when people don't stick to their word

Sorry I missed that post. Ben if you still want this please let me know and I'll see what I can do to help.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...109#post377109


:grin:

Thanks Alpha! :D

Well, I *have* seriously asked to be booted several times, and also have my user-name and posts deleted, by PM as well as openly :)

Now seems as good a time as any...I think I'll go mad if I stay around, and with the game staying as it is, and removing the temptation is wise :)

Going, going...goi....g....

Ben/Falstaff

See you tomorrow ........... you cant resist :)

Actually I'm serious, please remove the account...?

Otherwise I'm just have to be overtly rude to force removal, which I'd rather than not do, though it might be mildly satisfying at the time....

(Ignoring the fact that Bongo's was a cheap shot, and that's all he could resort to...enough said)

Ben

God forbid you just leave and therefore prove you can be the grown up hey?

cheap shot? all I did was drag up something you actually said, apparently that's just fine when it's used to attack COD so I don't see the problem.

point of note: I have had quite alot of my posts removed from these forums......don't recall the whinge clique rushing to my defence complaining about unfair censoring.....and some of you have the balls to say I'm a hypocrite.

What were we saying...Hum....AH ! Yes ! Any updates from Oleg ?
We are Friday and I need my screenies screenies !:grin:

SAlute !

Bongo, I'm not interested in your over self-centred responses and various justifications for whatever posts you may or may not have posted, or any parallels you may draw.

I think far too much crap is posted, mostly from the over-zealous fans,and I'd like out. As I've just said in PM, what does it take to get kicked around here? :)

Nor is this some sort of Freycinet 'I'm-going-now-I-may-be-some-time-trumpet-fanfare-please-no-one-loves-me-oh-here-I-am-again-blessing-the-forum-with-my-helpfulness-and-videos-and-bile' spiel.

I'm not sure which needs the more patching...the game, or the more faithful fans...

There, that should do it :)

Ben

why exactly do you need to be kicked.....just leave.....I dare you

News for a patch ?
 

Hi Blacksix & the Team,

Could we have some news ?

Thanks

This is a joke right?

Surely as you say it.

Hey Bongo and Ben ! Have you seen any updates from Oleg yet ? :grin:
I keep my fingers crossed ! Still is Friday ! Thre is hope ! I guess !

:grin:

The post i put up last night asking for news got pulled after BlackSix replied saying he would ask if he could get new for us.

I fear this thread is dooooomed!

He asked the forbidden question! Stone him!