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Skoshi Tiger

10-29-2012 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojimbo (Post 474103)

the devs have a responsibility to apply a patch for win 8 compatibility, its not a microsoft problem. out of all the games i played on win 8 (almost all of them) the only one not to work is CloD.

i hope win8 support is in the next patch, cheers guys:cool:

Wow! Thats a big call. If anything devs have a responsibility to meet the system requirements that they published. They do not have the responsibility to ensure that their software will be compatible with all future operating systems.

I have boxes of old sims that are incompatable with current systems. It would be unreasonable for me to expect their developers to fix them up so I can play them on my current system.

That the devs would WANT COD to work with Windows 8 is a given. How much time and resources they have available is the big question.

It's is a pitty that Microsoft offers a compatability mode for older software and it looks like doesn't work!.

Cheers

ATAG_Doc

10-29-2012 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 474718)

Wow! Thats a big call. If anything devs have a responsibility to meet the system requirements that they published. They do not have the responsibility to ensure that their software will ber compatible with all future operating systems.

I have boxes of old sims that are incompatable with current systems. It would be unreasonable for me to expect their developers to fix them up so I can play them on my current system.

Thatthe devs would WANT COD to work with Windows 8 is a given. How much time and resources they have available is the big question.

It's is a pitty that Microsoft offers a compatability mode for older software and it looks like doesn't work!.

Cheers

Woah
Would this have anything to do with Windows 7 Professional having the ability to run Virtual XP Mode???? To run legacy apps not compatible with Windows 7 or was it just a gift from Microsoft because they are just that cool??

Skoshi Tiger

10-30-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc (Post 474722)

Does COD run in an virtual XP environment? I hope not.

Though if you go to the MS website they say "Note that Program Compatibility Assistant doesn't monitor apps that work at low system levels (for example, kernel mode drivers, security, and backup apps). Due to the dependency of these apps on Windows system internals, you generally can't apply compatibility fixes to them."

I hope the devs have not had to use too many low level system calls to get COD running.

Some people might think Microsoft is 'cool' but I thought 'cool' was reserved for apple? ( The last apple product I owned was a Apple ][+ and that was a clone at that ;) )

HeavyHemi

10-30-2012 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ (Post 473663)

The thing is that .NET 4.0 and .NET 4.5 do not go side by side, and installation of .NET 4.5 affects .NET 4.0 runtime. It is supposed to allow running both 4.0 and 4.5 targets, and provide fixes for some issues of 4.0. Everything looks fine, except that those fixes are only given with 4.5, which requires Vista or later OS. This potentially introduces different behavior for 4.0 target running on XP (or Vista/Win7 without 4.5 installed) and 4.0 target running on Vista/Win7 with 4.5 installed or on Win8. It is a compatibility mess.

In anyway, I have .NET 4.5 on my system for some time, and CoD works fine for me, so I don't think that .NET 4.5 guilt is proven. I also tried CoD on Win8 today. All prerequisites were met, but CoD simply continued to exit without any messages. Process monitor did not show any abnormal events as if CoD exited on its own will. Maybe it is just something like blunt if (x<y) {die();}. :)

This was covered in another thread. The incompatibility with the CLoD installer running Win 8 is:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...l2CODerror.jpg

ZaltysZ

10-30-2012 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyHemi (Post 474784)

This was covered in another thread. The incompatibility with the CLoD installer running Win 8 is:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...l2CODerror.jpg

Windows 8 Pro here. VC redist from CoD installs fine on clean system. It would probably fail, if some software installed same or newer version before CoD installation.

P.S: For clarification: CoD installs fine, all prerequisites are met, but it simply exits to desktop after launch.

ZaltysZ

10-30-2012 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc (Post 474722)

Virtual XP Mode is just Windows Virtual PC software running XP virtual machine under the hood. It does not support hardware acceleration and is basically useful only for legacy desktop applications or running 16-bit software. The only cool thing about it is that you get XP license.

RickRuski

10-30-2012 05:43 AM

Well the problem is not with .net 4.5, I'm running windows 7 with .net 4.5 and C.o.D runs fine. No problems that weren't there with .net 4.0. Haven't decided wether to try windows 8 or not, but it is certainly a cheap option at the moment. Can't see a lot of reasons to upgrade, it appears that all I will get is maybe the touch screen ability if I decide to get a touch screen capable monitor. There have been a lot of negatives from the gaming community over windows 8 with a lot of programs not working.

Fjordmonkey

10-30-2012 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickRuski (Post 474806)

There have been a lot of negatives from the gaming community over windows 8 with a lot of programs not working.

Sources?

I personally haven't had any issues apart from CLoD, but then again, there's a lot of mainstream games I never play anyway. Just curious to see the posts by people that claims that <insert game here> doesn't work.

Qpassa

10-30-2012 06:54 AM

if ( il2.isCompatible)
{
me.buyGame("Battle of Moscow");
}
else{
}

jojimbo

10-30-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 474718)

it not too much to ask for a pretty recent game that is being patched regularly, also seeing as i paid 30 quid for a POS that most of the time didnt work properly, if indeed there to be no win8 support, then thats fine, i will never buy another title from these devs, they lose my support.
you have to get with the plan,but i am sure luthier and his team will eventually have to roll out a win8 patch for the game because of BOM.

again its not MS's call, its a dev issue with the game code.
your argument is flawed, hell even B17 the mighty eigth works on win8.
il2 forgotten battles works on win8, doom1/2/3 works on win8
microsoft combat flight simulator 1 even works on win 8,
"big call" i dont think so, more like an expected dev priority and if luthiers team cant be arsed then shame on them

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