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Originally Posted by gwalch (Post 382303)

Thank you Uther.
Don't know what bongodriver is whingeing on about though.

just trying to grate the same nerves

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Originally Posted by Cataplasma (Post 382313)

No, because other games and softwares are correctly developed...and in time.
Bye Bongo

are they really?.....indeed.

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Originally Posted by Sutts (Post 382279)

Luthier has said they'll continue working on CoD so what's the problem? He has stated very clearly that they're working on CoD and BoM in parallel. I for one am very happy that they're working on the graphics....any increase in FPS is good in my book and I'm quite prepared to wait for that and many other goodies.

1c, like any other company, must pay wages and bills. They MUST develop new products to generate future earnings as they'll be out of business in no time. We really can't expect them to remain completely fixated on CoD as that would be business suicide which wouldn't be good for us or them would it?

I personally don't see any problem at all with paying full price for the BoM product if that means I immediately get access to a host of new and exciting objects, features and improvements for CoD at the same time. It could be like a new game. Most features that have been postponed for BoM were never officially promised for CoD - they were just hopeful noises made by Oleg and crew at various points in the development. As such, we really can't complain that they won't be handed out free as a CoD patch.

On the other hand, radio comms, AI and crashes do need to be addressed as patches and from what I've read from the devs, this is all in hand. All will come good in time. Be sure.;)

I am glad they are working on it too. I am just saying the "all sims have bugs so whats the difference" is lame. Cod had WAY more bugs than most and its not the same as all other sims. It is still in WAY worse shape than most.

And no, forcing someone to buy a new product to get an already paid for product to work as advertised is dishonest and possibly fraudulent. If you see no problem with dishonesty and fraud then I guess you are ok with it.

I personally do not think they will do that, for those very reasons.

The above posts by Bongodriver are eloquent lessons in getting under the skin but misguided. They typify the 'whinging-about-whinging'. It has become a sport in itself, a game (it has to be a game because there is so little factual substance to it.)

Most of of this type of post is 'getting your retaliation in first'.

Of course, attempt to head off any perfectly valid and justified critcisms at the pass...makes those facts and criticisms disappear, pfft, just like that. Err....

It doesn't matter who makes the points, it is the game (or lack thereof) that generates them. That is the fundamental weakness in all the guardsmen who cannot bear the game to face pertinent criticism, or that anyone should be held to any sort of account.

Details, man, details.

Ben

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Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN (Post 382312)

It is reasonable for the to address the fact that there are many many unhappy people, and the small Friday updates atleast reassures people that the Devs are still there. The fact that most people seem to only want them to pop in and say hello every Friday, and maybe throw out the odd screenshot isnt to much to add when you look at everything we have had to endure with a fully purchased game.

Communication has gotten better, but I still think that it needs to improve.

A regular Friday update from this group is not an unreasonable request, in fact its probably deserved on our part after months and months of poor communication.

+1...what he said.:)

+1....just make any old crap up and post it every friday, it won't change a thing anyway but at least it's 1 less thing....

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Originally Posted by Ben Scammell (Post 382306)

Yes, fictional...like the dynamic weather, dynamic campaign, Battle Of Britain scale and immersiveness (small things I think you'll agree).

So, only the trivial stuff then.

Straws indeed.

Ben

A perfect example of what some 'belive' was promised vs. actully promised.. For example, it was like 3 years ago that Oleg mentioned dynamic weather.. But, prior to CoD being released 1C stated dynamic weather did not make it into the product.. So, do people base thier replies on what was actully advertised.. Or some 3 year old interview.. Which we all know was not advertised as being in the product at release.. That is to say it is not lised on the box or any official 1C website as a 'feature' of the game.. Which is why you have NOT seen anyone posting here how they won thier $50 back in a law suit based on what Oleg said in some interview 3 years prior to the release of the game.

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Originally Posted by Ben Scammell (Post 382320)

The above post by Bongodriver is eloquent as always, but typifies the 'whinging-about-whinging'. It has become a sprt in itself, a game (it has to be a game because there is so little factual substance to it.)

Most of of this type of post is 'getting your retaliation in first'.

Of course, attempt to head off any perfectly valid and justified critcisms at the pass...makes those facts and criticisms disappear, pfft, just like that. Err....

Ben

eloquent whinging.......I like it, I see youre not used to playing sport on an even field then, you only like it when you face no challenge.

Well, as it's Pimms O'Clock in Moscow and we've heard not a thing, I guess the answer to the question is 'nyet'.

Aces, you're taking it too far. Lawsuits? No-one is going to take 1C to court based on Oleg and Luthier's posts on this forum.

But you weren't around when those posts were made. If you bought the game based on the website and the box, then of course (as a customer) you don't have many reasons to grumble about content.

But as a forum member who was frequently in contact with Oleg and saw his posts about what would be included in the game, then one would have every-reason to feel misled. When I was talking to Oleg privately about the flight-kit modelled in the game, he told me that all my criticisms would be taken on board (following revision they did following information I sent them). This never happened. I won't grumble about something so petty, but it's quite symbolical of the way this game turned out.

You can sit there telling people they are wrong to think a certain way in as many forms as you wish. The truth is that people did buy the game based on the aforementioned, and the truth is that a lot of fans felt let-down. You can't escape this.

What I don't understand, though, is the need for people to prove this to you. Why would a lot of people lie about their motives for purchasing the game? Oleg's posts may have been taken too seriously, but until the announcement he was stepping down he was tangibly related to the game. It seemed official enough.