Bs...anything for us today
 

Can't hurt to ask.:grin::grin::grin:

The man's on holiday... ;) I think they are anyway, anyone know when the Russian start again :D

Apologies if I am wrong.

Christmas day in Russia is on January 7th. So tonight would be christmas eve there i believe. I wonder what Luthier will get for christmas?? Anyways my guess is they will start back up next week? Hopefully?

Thanks for the info

Maybe he will get a new gaming rig to finally play close to flawlessly

They said that the 1C office will reopen on Jan 9th. The team took holidays from Jan 1st.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0470117702

:p

:-P

I wonder whats cracking.. I havent played for almost a week now

Spot on! lmao

Last post got deleted. I assume because I typed 'BS' and meant it as a abbreviated swear word?

Anyway I said I haven't played for awhile too . The frame stutters 'annoy' me.

:lol::lol::lol:

Use "B6"

Great thread.

LOL! I would add also:


http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things...5934581&sr=8-1

Fantastic! I'm in a generous mood, can someone help me wrap this too?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0764553194

Smitten by the generous spirit here I would like to give something back to the givers to make sure you don't go empty handed either. ;)

www.amazon.com/How-Stop-Being-Asshole-Likeable/dp/1462846181

Ha! Excellent :)

Got one for you too mate.

http://www.amazon.com/But-must-not-t...5941078&sr=1-2

Actually looks rather interesting. Bags me after you ;)

lmao

Oh lordy, more killing of messengers again...first message and I think I'm out, the usual suspects from elsewhere in pom-poms and cheer-leader outfits...mod, please delete my membership please. Thank you!

Ben/Falstaff

S!

Well, patch is supposed to come some time not so far. Gives another chance to test and report bugs etc. in a constructive manner. Work on sequel is in full swing, so nothing to complain on that department.

Game's release was far from what expected, but nothing we can do about it. Could bring up a lot of stuff what niggles me but again why beating a long since dead horse :D

S!

Amazing what you can find on Amazon :D Great posts, made me laugh!

lmao

got one he will enjoy

http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Tree-1ST...5945360&sr=1-7

Aww....and well miss all of those 1 constructive posts you contributed to this community

Hang on he only thinks he's out .............. lets see if he gets to a post count of 2.


:)




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On the premise that "Nice guys finish last!" I might buy this book and find out what I've been doing wrong all these years! - Just read through the book and do the opposite!

I recommend watching this film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud0ofWIg_cs It does not feature authentic aircraft but the war and people look authentic (a bit idealised of cause). If you like it I can find 1-2 more probably.

As a child I was reading memoirs of Pokryshkin, Kozhedub, Golubev (about Pokryshkin), Vorozheikin or about those who died too young to write memoirs like Lydia Litvyak, 21 or Yekaterina Budanova, 26.

Most of these memoirs are not translated into English yet. You can find a couple of memoir books on amason though. Also there is a series on soviet aces published. Try googling "soviet fighter memoirs" and\or "vvs aces memoirs". Most of these books were published during soviet times and you have to skip some propaganda pages when reading.

Vasily Grossman's Life and Fate banned and confiscated by KGB it was secretly taken outside the USSR, published in the west, then dramatised on BBC radio and even made UK best-selling lists. It is about the most ruthless battle in the history of mankind - Stalingrad (Germany - total 841,000 casualties, USSR - total 1,129,619 casualties). If you want to read one book about the Eastern front (or about any war in general) I recommend this one. It is not the shortest but it is worth reading even in small portions. One of characters is a fighter pilot too.
Wiki article on Life and Fate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_and_Fate

Since La-5 was first introduced in Stalingrad I guess it can be the next theatre in the Il-2 series.

Regarding Eastern Front role in the war in general estimated Nazi losses on Eastern/Western front are 4,428,000 to 5,178,000+ for Eastern / 997,386 to 1,000,256 for Western according to English wiki (I know this is not 100% reliable). I think aircraft and armour losses are more or less proportional to some extent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern...orld_War_II%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western...orld_War_II%29

S!

If want to read about IL-2 Sturmovik piloting at the front I can recommend Vasili B. Emelianenko's book "Red Star against the Swastika - The story of a Soviet pilot over the Eastern Front". Greenhill Books published the english version of it 2005.

This book has less of this idealised stuff in it and quite nicely tells about the life of IL-2 pilots and the plane so was a nice read. The quote of another IL2 engagement vs 109 someone posted in one thread was just the poo-poo I stay clear from.

Hey and what abt Constantin Simonov ? One of the greatest book on soldier at war I ever read. Stylish as an Hemingway. I understand that his past is somewhat controversial but outside Russia this has no impact - he is largely unknown. His saga is more easy to read than Vasily G

Grossman does too much of an emphasis some time making the text hard and boring to read on some paragraph (might be something lost in the translation thus) without mentioning the thousands of different characters found in his saga very much à la TolstoÏ .

We shld hve a thread abt books etc... :rolleyes:

I agree about Simonov. The only issue is that his books were published during Soviet times and were censored. I do not know if there are any more complete post-soviet editions available.

Anyway his military poetry is outstanding and films based on his novels are worth watching, e.g.:
The Normandy - Neman (1960), joint production by the USSR and France; together with Charles Spaak and Elsa Triolet) - about Soviet-French fighter squadron http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandie-Niemen

The Alive and the Dead (1964), directed by Aleksandr Stolper, starring Kirill Lavrov, Anatoli Papanov, Oleg Yefremov - about tragic 1941 retreat of the Red Army.

Can you please get her..Verrry angrrry vis you.

Light at end of Tunnel?
 

No patch since mid Oct. Can someone please let us know what is happening? A few patches ago this was not bad but since last patch I get random crashes which makes the game unplayable. Someone please........:confused:

NOOOOO BURN THE HERETIC!!! BURN THE HERETIC!!!
:grin:

I am getting impatient too. Its really long enough since last patch. Some ETA would be really nice. At least an approximate one.
I played Clod yesterday after one month of absence (back to ROF). I enjoyed it big time but i was P**sed big time after crashing to Desktop twice in one hour.
Unplayable if you have to fly across the channel half an hour just to crash while diving down to a kill.

Winger

watch out for the light at the end of the tunnel, it might be a train coming from the opposite direction ;)

I've been waiting for a patch as well, I have uninstalled the game since the last one, not because it wasn't running properly, but because I still feel it's incomplete and it kinda spoils it for me. Hopefully we'll see something new soon :)

Please search for recent BlackSix's posts regarding patch timing. He posts them in the appropriate threads. I do not think he can follow every new thread started about this topic.

Obviously they are facing some serious issues. Otherwise we would have got the patch or at least ETA. We can only hope that the issues are fixed one day.

Have you tried reinstalling the game? this helped my performance.

Also check this: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29004

I don't know if you fellas heard but...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt...lswuo1_500.jpg

Probably memory leak, especially if your memory is only 4Gb or less. We always restart the game between sorties. Tedious I know but it keeps it going.

when new patch coming
 

hi all , when is the next patch due , im on steam and its at v1.05.15950..any news

search button is your friend.

Nobody knows for sure.

Nobody has a clue including the developers. That would make them Clue - less. :(

I personnally think they do know. They just dont want to "promise" anything anymore.
And if they have decided to postpone anything regarding COD 's patches in favor of an early new game release, they would be in for a flaming war.
They have to evaluate probably many more variables than we can think of before making an official statement.
We'll know someday....

If they have shelved CoD (temporarily or not) for a sequel, they sure would not admit it. That would kill the sequel sales. The only way a sequel could sell is with the hope CoD is fixed. I will buy the sequel only after CoD is fixed.

No one knows when the patch is coming but it will be worth the wait for sure, Luthier as said that we will get a 50% performance increase and then theres always the surprise he has promised us that will blow our socks off something that as never been seen before apparently. No pressure then Luthier.

I've stopped playing.. I'm really bored but sorry to say it.. When the patch is out I will be all refreshed and good to go :)

Psychologically the only reason for people's disappointment (and whining) is a gap between too high expectations and reality. I would not expect that much from the upcoming patch till I witness a beta.

I do not remember Luthier saying or promising the above. I think he said they hope or trying to get these results or working on these features. This is very different from saying we will get something or promising something especially in Russia.

At least 50% of whining here happens because of too high expectations which are everyone's own personal responsibility imho.

BTW these 2 links can be used to get most recent updates from the devs directly:
- Luthier http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/search....archid=2305661
- BlackSix http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/search....archid=2305666

Mods can make a sticky with them to avoid repetitive threads.

I hope they do fix ( a lot !) COD before going on with the new project...But imagine that they would come up with a very good and optimized sequel in few months, even if COD is not completely patched, you would not be tempted to buy the new game and hope for the best for COD ?
You would not be tempted after seeing screens and videos from happy new customers of the new game with all the features to say" oh well, lets move on " and maybe COD will eventually benefit from these new codes...
For $60 you wouldn't ? Cheaper than one meal at a restaurant ? ;)
I would !!!!! :rolleyes:

Salute !

Well, I dont totally agree with this one...We have been shown many many features in the course of the past 5 years...Dynamic weather, pilot's bailout animation, highly detailed lighting, leaked videos with better visuals thant what we have today, and many visual effects that were shown as part of the " developpement updates"...
Remember that Oleg was there every Fryday and was himself presenting those features as 'included' in the game...Go back to earlier photo buckets and you will find some gems in there. And compare with today's version...
Oleg did promise (!) Cinematic Photorealistic visuals...So good it would be used in upcoming movies as the new code would be a great tool for movie makers.
So the high expectations were not ours 2 years ago...They were Oleg's.

Salute !

I think this is what you are referring to...
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...81&postcount=1

Yes, thank you. That is why I wrote:
These statements have absolutely different meaning. Luthier talks about "testing" which means that the engine does not work yet and it is not clear if it would, otherwise testing would not be needed already. Then he talks about "final version" which is different from the "next official version". And "it shouldn’t be less than 50%" does not mean "it will be not less than 50%" but means that doubts still exist and no one knows for sure.

There are always 2 sides in communication process and receiving side is also responsible for correct interpretation of communication. People usually tend to see only what they want to see.

Same was with Oleg's updates. He described features that they worked on, planned (and eagerly wanted) to include in the release version. Because we did not have a demo or videos 6 months prior to release, it was an easy logical conclusion that various features that work separately may not fit together when assembled into one piece in a hurry. This happens every time. All people want to do their best but real life circumstances change their plans.

Thus, it is not reasonable to have high (or low) expectations before actually experiencing anything. This eliminates the only reason for frustration (and whining) - a gap between expectations and reality. Only my own opinion of cause.

Yes, this is a reason he got very frustrated afterwards. Same was with me. We are all humans, not gods or machines but our own expectations (or feelings) are our own responsibility only, not someone else's. (Not talking about kids here, they can not be responsible for their feelings.)

I agree...I would although , with all due respect, rephrase my thinking:
Even as adults, we cannot be responsable for our feelings, or prevent our feelings to be hurt, or heve deep disappointement...just like the kids...that we still are since we are playing games on computers...;) What makes the difference, I would say, between an adult and a kid ,is how you behave and manage those feelings...
Have a nice day ! Or night ?

SAlute !

Ataros said:

This is over-simplistic, and draws wrong conclusions.

Who created the high expectations? Users only? Of course not.

Who created the initial feature-set? Users only? Of course not.

Products routinely do not deliver what is expected of them - especially at first. But a gap as wide as this one, where many features were simply missing or non-functioning, needs addressing properly. ...not just a latent 'we're kind of sorry' tacked-on to ,uch later posts about subsequent patches.

To put it all down to the psychological whimsy of end-users is silly, and patronising. It is also removes the factual component, which is harder to explain away (i.e. the missing/half-working features).

The two recurring themes in all apologist arguments are: 'respect' for the devs, and 'we're all human' i.e. cut them some slack. Plenty of slack has been given, and taken...enough knicker elastic to stretch round the world.

Far too many excuses are made on behalf of the devs. This is why concrete details are needed, not diluted promises and yet more high expectations.

I'd trust the dev process a lot more if, for example, we were told 'there's a whacking great memory leak that needs fixing, yadada yadada', *not* stuff about banjos and 50% improvement in graphics architecture which then slowly morphs into ifs, buts and a slow shrug of the shoulders...

Ben/Falstaff

No Way! And and set myself up to buy another unfinished game that won't get fixed. Forget it. And if you can only get CoD optimized by buying the sequel, that would be deceitful and possibly fraudulent and I'm not biting.

If they don't fix CoD first only a sucker would buy the sequel.:rolleyes: 1C needs to prove themselves before I'd spend another penny. I'd rather have a meal at a restaurant than buy another buggy piece of unfinished software.

The only way they can prove to me they are worth a future purchase is to make good on the first one.

If they fix CoD first I will buy.:-D

Cool. I read that before and I hope that its true.

I said IF because I read that someone mentioned it might have been shelved for the sequel and I said IF that is true.....and gave my response.

Luthier HAS set expectations high
 

I think Luthier HAS set expectations very high for the next patch and for CloD in general…”50 percent better performance, fixed AI, better FM, more immersive sound design, new, breakthrough game feature that will be the envy of the genre, etc, etc, etc. If the next patch does not deliver in a big way, his and 1C’s credibility will be greatly diminished. And will certainly hurt sales of the sequel. I think that is why the patch is no where in sight. It’s so far away in fact that there is nothing to communicate beyond open ended statements like “We are working on it and it will be done when it’s done.”

I dont understand why they dont get minor bugs fixed on a regular basis and deliver the big thing in salami tactics slice by slice..

Please take your overwhelming negativity elsewhere. The devs are working hard to make us the sim we want and given time will deliver something remarkable, just like in the IL2 days.

I really don't know why you bother showing your face here. Always laying the boot in.

they have little choice but to work on it until it is practically perfect after the 9 months of whining since release, if it is anything less then god knows how much worse that will be, Luthier daren't say anything more than 'hello' or it will be interpreted as another promise to be broken, all this talk of 'feelings' being thrown around here and nobody stops to imagine if the devs have any, the critics here have become nothing more than an 'angry mob'.....no wonder they just wan't to hide......wouldn't you?

Haha ! Ok then...Lets say the new game works very very very well at release, based on our community feedbacks...With most of the features promised in COD...:cool:
You could really really resist the temptation ?

Salute !

My guess is they will aim for an early release of a new game with all the bells and whistles to get new money and then transfer manpower to COD...
At this point, to be honnest, they would have to make a lot of upgrades , put alot of money and manpower on COD to get the communuty satisfied and stop the whining.By the time they would achieve that, it is probable when the new game could be released with all the team working on it...
But we are all guessing, are'nt we ? :cool:

I have a right to post just like you and don't feel I'm being overly negative in this case. I took another look and feel it's pretty accurate and reflects what has been said and where we stand.

Ive tried the campain and find it very dull , just single missions , its a shame this has been a disapointment for me , to get my kicks i go back to il-2 ultra3..and fly online , also DCS_A10...awsome ..im so surprised this has been going for six years , i paid £30.00 for this and still not good enough to fly ..please keep the hard work up , but if this is shelved ill ask for a refund ..promise ..ill want my money back ..fed up with big fat cat bosses taking money off the poor ..

Neither does the majority of sensible persons here,and if he thinks that there will be a wealth of gullible persons here ready to buy the next half baked project he may well do himself a favour and think again.

I can't believe we are talking about a sequel to this effort without the former project being sorted out first,it's getting very boring and tiresome now,having to explain to him and his team that the fundementals of this sim,let's pick comms for instance,which are still in a state of not fully working correctly.

Come on Luthier walk before you run!

Maybe it's just me but this forum is definatley not as busy as it used to be either,guys are losing their patience with it I can only guess,as said time and time again,a few comments from the devs now and then would go a long way,rather than the usual silences that seem to last forever.

Come on guys, get a grip for goodness sake. The sky is not falling down. CloD will live and we'll all have a fantastic sim to play for the next 10 years. Just need a little patience and a bit of perspective.

The devs are working hard and making it better...no doubt about it. Just take the sounds for instance. I personally can't believe how good they are. It feels great getting behind that big throaty engine and the sounds from the ground are amazing too. Now imagine what it'll be like when they apply the same magic to AI, Comms etc.........

Good things will come in time, just you see. But we need to have a little sympathy for the situation that Luthier is in and an undertstanding for just how complex this beast really is. This kind of stuff takes a long time to fix and debug but they will deliver, I have no doubt.

In the meantime I'm having a great time flying this thing and improving my skills. There's so much to enjoy already in this product. The potential is enormous. And no, I don't have a monster rig - just an i7 920 2.66Ghz with 2GB memory and an old Geforce GTS 250 1MB graphics card.

You can try several user created static and 2 dynamic(still wip) campaigns.

I've heard from very reliable source the next sequel will be IL-2 Sturmovik: Angry Birds. The flyables are modeled from the most vocal banana forum members!

Cheers! :grin:

Whattahell, this forum could be renamed already IL-2 Sturmovik: Angry Birds!

Yes, BoM is not that attractive to me. I would rather have a working CoD. BoM is something i would only buy as an add-on to CoD if CoD is fixed. Sorry, I know a lot of others who feel the same way. If CoD is not fixed there is no temptation.

Sutts,believe me, I'm pleased for you mate,enjoy,and the sky is not falling down as far as I'm concerned,as there are so many other things I enjoy rather than flying COD,so life's great buddy.;)

It's just that for me personally the enthusiasm of COD is ebbing away,and not seeing anything to exite me from the devs does'nt help that,sorry if that is negative to some,but the responses from 1C are hardly positive.

If they wish to remain quiet that is their business,as is mine losing interest:)

+1

You said it

Redundant statement, the devs have stated that COD will be patched, BOM is only planned as an add on to bring some extra features to the series..

So dynamic weather might only be included with BOM....no big deal, COD can work perfectly well without it until BOM is merged.

£30/40/50??

I couldn't give a rats ass if CoD isn't fixed cuz there working on the addon...I'd still buy it

CoD being broken and released in the state it was is old news now, and boring news at that...we all know the drill.

The Devs won't release the next patch until all bases are covered...another 'were fix one thing but break 3 more' will kill this series for a lot of players and buyers so I'm not expecting nor do I want anything unless it's a working full patch, not another Beta.

On that note though I think some sort of update would be good now, I think it's time for a bit of news

Mate on one hand your saying you don't give a rats ass if CoD is'nt fixed,then a few sentences down your insisting and expecting a working full patch,not another Beta,what part of the rat's ass are you giving?......love it:lol:hehe

Bud I don't care if we get a patch or not for CoD, I enjoy the game as it is...that isn't the view of everyone though now is it?

What in saying is if a patch is released I wouldn't want it to be a non working Beta as it will effect sales directly which isn't good for those who care about the series.

Please believe me when I say if this game doesn't get patched it won't sway my decision on buying any sequels or addons...I've already seen the potential of the series, that's enough for me.

I care about the longevity of the series not if CoD gets a patch or not.

I think at least 85/90% of CoD players will buy a sequel or addon if it was released tomoz regardless if CoD was patched or not

Well Im looking forward to the patch. Everything Luthier has said as been truthful and he would never lie to us his loyal customers, he's not interested in making money and the only reason he doesn't post on here very much is because he is working so very hard without sleep because he cannot bare the thought that he as let us down with CLOD. I am with you Luthier, take all the time you need.

Friday update?
 

Hi - any chance of an update? I think all customers would appreciate some indication the patch is making genuine progress.

Cheers.

Its Thursday today ;)

Two weeks be sure

Friday where I am. Mate.

:) I don't know how to take you on that post Crane

Yeh no worries, the team will get right on adjusting their lives to work around a forgeign timezone for you...

regardless of timezone they should have deliverd by now...and it is not only my opinion mate!

Who says....and why

they should deliver when it's ready

Agreed that Luthier is an honnest man...But not interested in making money ?
Mouhahahaha! :grin: So he's working his butt out and putting aside his familly life for what ? To please us ? To tell his children who call him "mister": look, Daddy made this game with planes....;)
We all need the money ...Don't we ?

I don't need an update. The last 9 months have seen the devs literally flooding us with more detailed infos than any sane person can process and patching the game on an almost weekly schedule to truly awesome awesomeness. Luthier time and time again has provided valuable insight into how a professional development team works and the communication with the customers could IMO only be improved by giving out single malts and sexual favours. I am deeply in awe of what they're doing. Although I have no idea what that exactly is. No biggie though. I know everything's gonna be just awesome. Be sure.

Well done :)

What medication are you on and if you have any extra...:)

Cliffs of Dover works, its just a new combat flight sim, they all will have bugs and no hardware that max them at first.

You call Battle of Moscow an addon as if a few guys spent a couple months on it and its gonna be $10 or somthing. Its not a gun pack for deadspace2 or somthing lol

Hey - what happened to my post respectfully asking that customers be given some kind of update this friday?

Are we not allowed to post anything here any more other than attacks on people who question what's going on?

Websites based in North Korea are less censorious.

The all sims have bugs excuse is lame. It runs but it does not work very well. It has no AA or AF, AI is porked, SLI is porked etc. etc. It could be great but it is not even close nine months after release.

Yes all sims have bugs, its just that CoD has WAY more than most and is not even finished (complete redo of graphics in the works).

Perhaps BoM is not an add-on, but it does not interest me as much as BoB and I certainly will not buy it if CoD is not fixed. As many others won't if CoD is not finished first. I hope they do get it finished.

you mean post 991 on page 100?

I to have trouble running CLOD, but it does not stop me marveling at the genius behind the game, the box art alone is worth the money.

BlackSix. May we please have a New Years Friday Update?
 

BlackSix,
I am sure the Dev team are working hard. Would you be able to spare 10 mins to either ask around or put your neck out there and let us know how things are progressing and maybe...just maybe if we will see a beta patch or some screen shots of the up and coming new graphics? Not the next game (Moscow). Lets leave that aside. We all want to know about COD Patch.

Maybe a Dx11 pic of a spit or Stuka ?

Dx11 pick of the Ground & Water?

A screen pick in game that may ignite passion and discussion on the forum till the patch is released?


PLEASSSSS!!!?
:grin:

+1 for Radio Comms!!!!!!!! :-)

+1 for this!

+1 that soon this thread will be locked like many others. You guys still believe a patch will be released before the sequel?? I think no patch or beta or anything till march... that's very sad....

l'll ask Ilya, that we can show or tell you right now.
But I can not promise ...