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Dear All,
Regarding the MODS situation......I think that any slight problem with MODS is tolerated because they, as with Olegs updates to his game, were given freely...I don't think it is a case of the 'Robin Hood' syndrome. If I had to pay for them with my hard earned money, I would expect it to be virtually flawless. Also it has often been the case that people were required to make slight adjustments to get things to work and many of them were not exactly computer literate......let alone the question of language and being understood...(Thank god English is widely spoken otherwise I would be hopeless.)!
Some of the work coming from the AAA site is incredible, and they do it for the sheer love of the Sim......something that perhaps is lost on those harbouring more corperate views. However, Oleg, whatever his personal views can never be seen to support hackers for obvious reasons.
Best regards,
Pike.

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Originally Posted by LEXX (Post 43840)

Arrow (again :) )::
I thought more about this, paying better attention I hope. I assume your I-L2 is clean finetuned running sim now without any mods. The mods exist "out there" somewhere else. Mods don't hurt your IL-2. It seems like you made a logic error here, but I don't think so. Instead, you may be thinking of something that we don't know about. For example...

Reading between your lines -- If you are, in your mind, narrowing your point with respect to modding and anonymous public servers, but not telling us this, then we must find out before we can have a discussion (if this is the case). I can see how modding might hurt anonymous public servers, especially innocent Newbies to the sim before they find a private server.

I was refering to the request to include the MOds into official patch. The other point I wanted to illustrate is that, the big chunk of MODs can bring more problems than benefits really, but that's everyone's personal choice (with no regard to their illegal nature)

Almost all of the mods (with the exception of sound samples) are so far nothing more than retextures and tweaks to existing codes. MG would be quite within their rights to adjust their default settings to something similar without being seen to "adopt illegal hacks".

Pointless discussion. No matter how often it is repeated.

Feather::

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That's what I'd hope. A good business watches the customers and learns what they like doing and make future sims that keep long term customers. I can only WISH for The Sims developers to get ideas of the air warfare environment from my Strikefighter cirrus clouds, contrails, etc...but some of my 3rd Party stuff is bizzaro weird -- never done before -- and breaks the game as-normal so I understand what Arrow is saying (big time), but the Devs can build their future sims so stuff works right.

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For me, the sticking point for The Sims seems to be restricting visually seen grafix to about 10km...except for terrain and in some cases clouds, the player only sees things inside a small "dogfight" radius. Now the DR does expand with sim era...a India/Pakistan sim would have a larger dogfight radius than a WW1 sim.

What a bunch of whining cheaters <shakes head>

Completely unnecessary comment.

Doesn't help anybody except your own post-count.

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Originally Posted by Feuerfalke (Post 43889)

Pointless discussion. No matter how often it is repeated.

:arrow: spot on.... :arrow:

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 43751)

The mods are not clandestine... they are being done in the open... and as I said.. there may be some not so good stuff in there.. but what I have seen and experienced has been well done and beneficial.. from the toned down dust to the toned down nav lights, the flyable AI AC... The way I see it.. if I could use Pe-8s to simulate B-17s in IL2... which we did.. then using B-25 cockpits for B-17s is not as much of a stretch... and while I still understand how many feel about the way the mods originally came about as I have said from day one.. and it has proven true. These mods are here.. and they aren't going anywhere.

Just for the record... I have tried the mods in case anyone failed to read between the lines.. and I am glad that I waited as long as I did.. I felt that I had to see how all this would pan out before i put my toe in that water... but I have sen no crocks, no fins floating in the water.... no little brown logs and no yellow water... so I jumped in and having tried them I have no regrets. I watched and read at the AAA site for months.. just to see where this was all going... and again.. as I said in this thread.. there has not been rampant cheating .. the sim is not "ruined" and frankly I think that the sim will actually benefit in the long run. There are still new folks coming to UBI every day.

Well if you think I am the only mod who has tried the mods then you are.... naive.

I totally disagree with that. That statement is assuming the worse.. which the entire anti mod camp myself included at one time did. We assumed that because the sim was hacked that that spelled it's demise and we assumed that all the negative things about mods would be at the forefront and none of the positives... and yes... again... it was not official.. but if i said it once I have said it a thousand times... these mods are not going away ... and not only that... we were flat out wrong... the sky has not fallen in, the sim is not ruined... I am sure Olegs pocket is still getting fatter from 46... The current attitude is just as silly as not recognizing Israel's right to exist by some arab nations... IT EXISTS... and it isnt going anywhere.. and neither are these mods. The enhancements to the QMB, the new maps... that Italy Africa Greece map is a thing of beauty... To toally concentrate on the negatives of the whole issue.. and not the positives..... is naive IMO. Perhaps in 3 or 4 years or who knows 3 0r 4 months , widespread hacks will roam the virtual skies of 1946... and the sim will be ruined.. but it hasn't happened yet.. and frankly.... I will enjoy what I have..... all of it... and I have not taken any money out of Oleg's pocket... people talk about "stealing from the developer".. but I bought my sim... more times than many folks here......... It is a great sim.. still and it has been enhanced by these mods. That's a fact.... and it isn't because of any kind of psychobabble nonsense.. it is because some of those mods are just [really really good.... and we need to get past this.. and move on. Drink the kool aid.. or don't... but don't hate the pitcher.. because it ain't going away. I cant wait for BoB to come out.... I know it will be the best thing smoking.. but in the mean time I am going to enjoy all of 1946 that I can get.. and if another add ion on this engine were to come out.. I'd buy that too.... in the meantime. I am flying what is available to me now..... all of it that appeals to me..... as often as I can.

WOHEEE!!! Go Bearcat---all your analogies are on target, and your logic is on target. The Israel analogy is brilliant!!!! Prometheus---wowwwwww!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by LEXX (Post 43690)

Thanks! Here is Tuckie_JG52's TARGET SPAIN thread at the TargetWare forum. Last poast dates from over one year ago.

Tuckie (July 2003):: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...mileys/Cry.gif http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...mileys/Sad.gif

Tuckie come home

I read your words with big surprise, I was out of this forum due to a lot of work in other aeronautical areas, and when I come back interested in mods, I read this :)

Soon, there will see some SCW related big surprise... I can't write more for the moment :)
But no, it's not an SCW mod or new simulator. Just something different. :)

For the moment, it is clear for me that I cannot use the sound mod for that surprise. What a pity :(