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Sternjaeger II 07-30-2012 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 449352)
Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.
you say that to this lady, and many others like her

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...me-2444936.php

"criminal justice system" and "process" aren't probably the best deterrents for such a scenario, isn't it? I'm sure that something like "burglary", "rape" and probably "murder" would have been the actual scenario, had she not had guns to defend herself and her baby..

ATAG_Doc 07-30-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 449352)
Do Americans actually believe the government is going to come knocking at any moment and take their "freedom"?

This is why you have a criminal justice system, with courts and the concept of due process.

Using your guns when the FBI comes calling is just going to get you killed.
It doesn't come in such obvious ways. It's incremental and hidden in an unrelated bill. That's how it's done. There will never be a town gathering for re-education and by the way bring your firearm with you thing. That's a fail. It is much more sophisticated than this. But trust me they hate the VOTER and would love not to have to please the electorate. I mean you know they are exempt from the laws they pass don't you? Doesn't that seem a little odd or not? It's the truth they are exempt from their laws.

mazex 07-30-2012 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 449364)
This will never end. I think both sides have good reasons (and not so good ones), what it doesn't change though is that if given the choice, I'd rather be the one on the right side of the barrel, and a gun ban should be unilateral to be truly effective. Once again, good luck trying to police that, and not just in the US.

What scares me is the deluded individuals who really think that they live in a perfect society where things couldn't get out of hands and very fast too.. wake up fellas, history is but a wheel that turns and turns, and same things keep on happening on and on and on...
Great sig you have there. It sure calmed me down :)

Jaws2002 07-30-2012 04:42 PM
The massacre in Norway was not supposed to happen, with their tough anti gun laws.
If there's a will, there's a way.
We were chopping eachother long before any firearms were around. If you think tht by banning the average guy from owning a firearm, you make the planet safer, you need to wake up and look around.

Sternjaeger II 07-30-2012 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mazex (Post 449385)
Great sig you have there. It sure calmed me down :)
lol sarcasm is my forte ;) although the best sig ever was the animated gif from The Office that a folk on here had, that was priceless.

CaptainDoggles 07-30-2012 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc (Post 449373)
It doesn't come in such obvious ways. It's incremental and hidden in an unrelated bill. That's how it's done. There will never be a town gathering for re-education and by the way bring your firearm with you thing. That's a fail. It is much more sophisticated than this.
So where's the need to defend your freedom with a gun in this scenario? If they're not going to "come and get you" then I don't understand why you need a gun to protect yourself from the government. Wouldn't an engaged and informed electorate be the right tool for that job?

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But trust me they hate the VOTER and would love not to have to please the electorate. I mean you know they are exempt from the laws they pass don't you? Doesn't that seem a little odd or not? It's the truth they are exempt from their laws.
I have no clue what any of this means.

BaronBonBaron 07-30-2012 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 449367)
you say that to this lady, and many others like her

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...me-2444936.php

"criminal justice system" and "process" aren't probably the best deterrents for such a scenario, isn't it? I'm sure that something like "burglary", "rape" and probably "murder" would have been the actual scenario, had she not had guns to defend herself and her baby..
Good for her for doing what she did!

"Its better to have a gun and not need it, then to need it and not have it."
Don't think this is true? Well just look at Switzerland.



And on a slightly different note:

On a national level more people in the US then ever are legally buying guns and violent crime is reduced.
And yet Chicago, the city with the strictest handgun laws in the US, now has one of the highest murder rates, and high crime too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...up-crime-down/

ATAG_Doc 07-30-2012 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 449395)
So where's the need to defend your freedom with a gun in this scenario? If they're not going to "come and get you" then I don't understand why you need a gun to protect yourself from the government. Wouldn't an engaged and informed electorate be the right tool for that job?

I have no clue what any of this means.
It's not there today to protect us from it it isn't necessary but it still our right in the BILL OF RIGHTS to own them. Means there isn't anything on this earth that will change it. Nothing. And I mean it sincerely. Without any malice there is nothing humanly that can be done to change it. You have a better chance of this game being fixed in your unborn kids life than changing that. If anything its getting more liberal and catching on. Record numbers of people have permits to carry legally. And those who hate it their kids will carry. It's bigger than the iPad man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCs6RK4HxMU

senseispcc 07-30-2012 05:04 PM
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Could you verify how many people are killed by guns in Tokio or London where guns are prohibited and compare this with New York please?

CaptainDoggles 07-30-2012 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BaronBonBaron (Post 449397)
And on a slightly different note:

On a national level more people in the US then ever are legally buying guns and violent crime is reduced.
And yet Chicago, the city with the strictest handgun laws in the US, now has one of the highest murder rates, and high crime too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...up-crime-down/
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Anyone can use any statistic to support any opinion they want. Correlation does not imply causation.


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