Ahhh....I didn't read down that far...so I missed the Joke! And it was/is a Good joke!!! :grin:
Actually, the first line should have gotten me smiling: No 109F's, or FW190's, or JU87D's ever flew over England, in the BofB itself, nor everafter. :)

Did anyone ever get a dollar amount what it would cost to actually use the aircraft with their names? Given that Lockheed is used to bilking the US taxpayers out of billions, I'd imagine it would be a substantial amount that would render using them useless since the game would never make enough to pay for them.

The whole situation is disgusting since Grumman/Lockheed built those aircraft with 100% taxpayer money, so really all those WWII aircraft should be public domain (at least in the US). Is Lockheed afraid that someone is going to buy a pacific theater game instead of a real Wildcat or TBF Avenger?

Do other games have to pay to use the Sherman tank? The Willy's Jeep, or the dozens of other vehicles that companies still "own" the rights to?

Here we go again.... :rolleyes:

The Grumman discussion went on for YEARS at the UBI IL-2 Forum, without any resolution or understanding of the matter.

I really don't think it is worth the time/effort to re-hash it all again....certainly not for me.:cool:

But, you other folks want to speculate endlessly, go for it. :-) I would suggest, though, that someone start a thread called "GRUMMAN". As it is, this "Malta or Mediterrranean" thread has been definitively "Hijacked".

EDIT: Okay...sorry...NOT hijacked on the Grumman issue

I was not intending to start another thread about this issue...if fact, the one observation I made, was that it would be nice to hear from someone who had actual legal knowledge. I believe that this has been a standing request from the forum at large...I was just bumping the sentiment.

BUT IF you read the rest of my post, you will see that I put forth the idea of building an add-on around Pacific theater campaigns (or Japanese campaigns in general) the focus on the 18th Fighter group, the 21st Fighter wing and the 318th fighter group (for example), which all flew P-38, P-39, P-40 and P-51's. The British and Australians also saw a great deal of action around Singapore, Malaysia, & New Guinea. These country's largely flew Spitfires and Hurricanes (not to mention the Dakota and Mosquito squadrons). Lets also remember the Flying Tigers!! That would make a tidy little add-on (do I hear the idea of releasing an add-on to coincide with the forthcoming movie?). Of coarse I'm joking...but I think my idea is clear.

For the people who can not live without the navy air powers represented, we could always enjoy a Pappy Boyington (Black Sheep) add-on. I for one love the "bent wing bird"!!!

:grin:You and I have no disagreement. :-) I was just noting that for a thread entitled "Battle of Malta or Mediterranean", the diversion to discussion of the Pacific Theater and Grumman, and Lockheed, etc etc seems Odd.

Someone cruising the Forum who might be very interested in the Pacific Theater would have to grovel through 100 pages of Med talk in this thread before getting to Grumman, Flying Tigers, et. al. Might be better to start a new "Pacific" thread to get a discussion going.... Actually, a quick review shows the pacific brought up as early as Post #60 in this thread. Maybe the title of the thread could be changed to "Which theater should be next?"

Just a thought...But...to each his own.

Now that I think about it, usually by Post#100+ most threads have gone wide afield...

I'll now depart the field/thread myself. Have a good day, mates. :D

Make that 1940-1941 and you've already got in COD the German, British, and Italian aircraft you need....just need the Map!

True but the map would have to be over 1000mi long (Alexandria to Tripoli ~900mi).

Don't forget about all the ship and ground models that will have to created that are missing in CloD.

Tunis to Tripoli..and Tunis to Messina. Maximum 450 Miles. 70% Ocean. Piece of cake.

a map covering the Cyreneika would be totaly 'enough' for 41/42 North Africa scenarios....

from Bengahzi to Alexandria that would be 900km :D most propably something smaller with Tobruk in its "center" would be more possible

There was no Tunis in 1940-41. All the fighting was east of Tripoli.

What you have described is the eastern side of the map I posted.