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Originally Posted by Igo kyu (Post 311982)

How is this is useful to anyone?

Why should I be the first to post something useful on this thread?

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Originally Posted by Opitz (Post 311984)

SWhat about ROF guys?

What about them? They don't provide updates on patches. Ask them when the next patch is coming and they ignore you.

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Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 311992)

What about them? They don't provide updates on patches. Ask them when the next patch is coming and they ignore you.

Did I said so? Here is NO, I repeat to David, read it slowly, bull - NO - reply from any CLOD developers. On ROF forums many people from 777 or with very close connection are writing or responding on daily basis - and yes, they do speak english!

I am not giving here stupid examples or excuses why there is no communication between customers and developers. People just feel left behind. No interest. No nothing. And if something, it is BS...

I absolutely understand this change in mood here since last four weeks...

The straight up is that this sim is in an unacceptable state, even now, however many months it's been since release.

We can see by what is being 'fixed' that much of it wasn't even Beta - but Alpha code.

No matter what is said or who is 'responsible for PR' it's not going to change that what they are going to get is an earful from consumers who have been taken advantage of or otherwise screwed when they purchased new hardware for the sim - to find out that it'll probably be a year before it works properly, and if they had waited until it did they would have a much more powerful system when the sim was ready.

While that earful is justified it doesn't exactly achieve anything in the short term - it's too late for whoever is responsible at UBI or within the production team to fix the stupid decision, but maybe, just maybe they'll learn (unless they're at UBI - no bloody clue to be had about doing the right thing by consumers).

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Originally Posted by Opitz (Post 312002)

Did I said so?

That is EXACTLY what you are asking for. You want Luthier to hold your hand while they work on updates. Well, despite your claims, 777 does nothing of the sort. You get the update when it is ready, and they don't hold your hand while you wait for it.

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Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey (Post 311985)

Yes, some will be happy to hear that. Others, however, will have at whoever posts such a message with damn near fanatical fervor for anything and everything, not to mention what happens when the company cannot meet the ETA.

Besides, people tend to conveniently forget the E, and only go for the TA and treat it as a solid date for when the patch will arrive. Hellfire and damnation will erupt if that date is pushed back even by a day.

Exactly. That is why we will not get any updates or ETA.

It starts with "Give us a word to make us happy and we stop whining"...

...then "You could spend at least 30 min a week to make small update"

...continues "You call this an update, you must be kidding"

And never ends:
"OK, this is some good news but give us ETA. You have to!"

"Why would it take so long!!! U R kidding. Hire more professional programmers!"

"Why they can not meet ETA?!! They do not show any respect!"

"OK it is out. Do you call this a patch??? What took you so long?!!!"

"You patched the wrong things in the wrong way in the wrong time! Learn to set priorities right! We need another patch to patch the patch that patched the patch asap."

"Why can not you to force UBI to finance an international community manager?!!!"

Spoiled kids behavior.

The only possible way for the devs to deal with it is to stop posting anything. We will witness this.

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Originally Posted by Ataros (Post 312010)

The only possible way for the devs to deal with it is to stop posting anything. We will witness this.

One other way to deal with it, and that's absolutely ruthless moderation of the boards. Not necessarily a good thing, though...

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Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey (Post 312016)

One other way to deal with it, and that's absolutely ruthless moderation of the boards.

That is what 777 does. They need to do the same thing here.

I think you are exaggerating, Ataros mate.

Most of us perfectly understand that accurate ETA are not posible.

What most of us want is this:

- a weekely update regarding what's in the work, and the actual progress made
- when they figure out they are close to release a patch, and can give an ETA, just say it to us, together with the expected content for that patch

That would be all, and would mean we can continue with whatever we are doing (including programming a dynamic campaign and a functions library for the mission builders which was the thing I wanted to start, but instead I had to lose time digging through this mess on the forums), and come back each friday to hear the news, and when they can say a patch ETA, come back at that date to eventually get the patch.

Reasonable and simple!

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Originally Posted by Opitz (Post 311984)

Sorry, mate but THIS is hillarious, indeed... What about ROF guys? They have no problem to answer many questions... Jason is writing there too... He was even writing on forum from E3, when there was problem with credit card payments... It is all about priorities...

100% wrong comparison. Jason represents 777 which is a RoF publisher. Or you can call them independent developer. They get the money for communication from sales. This is their job to communicate.

UBI is CoD publisher. It keeps the money for communication from sales. It is UBI job to communicate. 1C/MG does not get this part of money and this is why can not hire a communication manager. They provide support on these forums for free and as a goodwill. Your attitude does not encourage this goodwill much. You did not even bother to read this post explaining how it works or could not get it.

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Originally Posted by robtek (Post 311843)

Opitz, you are so full of yourself.

You didn't even research, no thats too much, you didn't even look how MG, 1c and UBI are connected.

It was already posted quite a few times.

MG is the developer, thats it, nothing more.

Devs don't do marketing!

1c is the publisher, the publisher does the financing and, here it comes, the marketing.
In the case of 1c only in the east.

In the rest of the world UBI is the publisher and accountable for the marketing.

We here have the unique situation that the devs are talking directly to us, they don't have to do this, there is no obligation, but they do it anyway.

So you are ranting against MG, which already does more than it has to do (fixing the sim) by giving us information that the publisher didn't give.

Next you say that Luthier, a person, i assume, you dont know personally, is incompetent.
Whow, i envy your insights in the workings of MG, you've worked there, or at least visited the company a few times.
Nah, i dont think so.

Furthermore you implement that somebody doesn't care if the faults are fixed, that talks a lot about your state of mind.

If one doesn't has to post something positive (pointing out bugs and errors is positive) and new, one shouldn't post at all.

Ooops! Reading my last sentence i shouldn't have posted this. Sorry, couldn't help it. :D