DLC - is it Paid content?

[mr71mb0]

If we'll be expected to stump up another £5 or so to get some German planes that should have been in the original £40 release, I don't like the way this is all going.

Sure I'm all for addons to extend the life of the game and give you more enjoyment, but this to me seems fundamental.

IL2 featuring a multiplayer mode where you can only fight Allies against Allies? No Germain planes at all, unless you pay more money??

Of course I could have the wrong end of the stick, so feel free to shoot me down in flames ;-)

P.S

Love the game though, has retained the elements of il2 on PC which make it so special.

[xNikex]

The reason other planes need cockpits is because it was never originally planned to have 40+ planes.

[juz1]

cod 4 multiplayer where you have to pay to play on 20% of the maps! No I won't do....oh I just did....

welcome to real world of dlc...sim=niche

you pay peanuts, you get monkeys...

paying for dlc = support for franchise

or you can play HOE...
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[mr71mb0]

I'm not expecting the 300+ you get in the PC version by any stretch but should at least be some axis in there for multiplayer?

It's all about making money at the end of the day and it a lot of work to create this type of content but when you are laying out £40 for the initial game any additional content you are asking money for has to be worth it.

I would probably stump up for expansions if it's worth it but please don't got the £5 per plane route.

[mr71mb0]

cod 4 multiplayer where you have to pay to play on 20% of the maps! No I won't do....oh I just did....

welcome to real world of dlc...sim=niche

you pay peanuts, you get monkeys...

paying for dlc = support for franchise

or you can play HOE...

it's not always like that, GT5 will have 1000 odd cars with distinct performance etc..

[killer-connor-99]

If we'll be expected to stump up another £5 or so to get some German planes that should have been in the original £40 release, I don't like the way this is all going.

Sure I'm all for addons to extend the life of the game and give you more enjoyment, but this to me seems fundamental.

IL2 featuring a multiplayer mode where you can only fight Allies against Allies? No Germain planes at all, unless you pay more money??

Of course I could have the wrong end of the stick, so feel free to shoot me down in flames ;-)

P.S

Love the game though, has retained the elements of il2 on PC which make it so special.


where did you get £40 from on amazon and play its £30

[redtiger02]

ok you're getting a game for $10 less than normal and complaining about paying an extra $5 to get new planes? I don't know how your flying is, but your math sucks.

[xNikex]

ok you're getting a game for $10 less than normal and complaining about paying an extra $5 to get new planes? I don't know how your flying is, but your math sucks.

If people do not wish to pay for the extra content then leave them be. There is no need to say something like that.

[redtiger02]

If people do not wish to pay for the extra content then leave them be. There is no need to say something like that.

Ummm yeah, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you Bob. But, here's why: Every single day the gamers get hosed by developers. We pay $60 for games that turn out to be garbage, then they stack on DLC and we pay for that. Now, we finally get a great game and they are coming in $10 cheaper, way against the norm for the industry. So put yourself into the developer/distributor perspective. You work years to make a masterpiece, then you decide to throw the gamers a bone and save them $10, something other studios aren't doing. But then, people instantly complain about the price of DLC, which is par for the Live/PSN course. The devs and distributors could look at that as if to say, "well we did them a favor saving them $10 and all they did was complain about the DLC, so next time we're pocketing the $10 and focusing less on the gamers themselves."
When you take it out of a politically correct perspective and more into what's going on in the minds of the people involved, what I said makes a lot more sense. I think you and I are having some kind of communication misinterpretation across multiple threads.

[Pup]

We pay $60 for games that turn out to be garbage, then they stack on DLC and we pay for that. Now, we finally get a great game and they are coming in $10 cheaper, way against the norm for the industry.

In the UK, i've tended to find most ps3 games come out at and get knocked down to around the £30 mark (as with il-2), it's only the rare exception such as Modern Warfare 2 which have a much higher price than the norm.

I'm all for DLC if its an expansion to a game, adding new stuff 3-6 months down the line to keep the fanbase happy, it does peeve me though that the latest trend is to hold stuff back for release then charge a few extra quid for it a few weeks later. Or have something thats xbox only and something ps3 only, and then charge each console base for the one they didnt get on release. Looking at PSN lately, taking one example... of a newly released golf game.. within hardly a few weeks of it being out theres probably £50+ worth of DLC out already. Look at each item individually, and you think.. whats £1 for a new skin or in game item.. but then add them all up, and it's definitely a rip off in my view. Of course, I have the option to not buy it, before inevitably someone mentions that :P

[xNikex]

Ummm yeah, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you Bob. But, here's why: Every single day the gamers get hosed by developers. We pay $60 for games that turn out to be garbage, then they stack on DLC and we pay for that. Now, we finally get a great game and they are coming in $10 cheaper, way against the norm for the industry. So put yourself into the developer/distributor perspective. You work years to make a masterpiece, then you decide to throw the gamers a bone and save them $10, something other studios aren't doing. But then, people instantly complain about the price of DLC, which is par for the Live/PSN course. The devs and distributors could look at that as if to say, "well we did them a favor saving them $10 and all they did was complain about the DLC, so next time we're pocketing the $10 and focusing less on the gamers themselves."
When you take it out of a politically correct perspective and more into what's going on in the minds of the people involved, what I said makes a lot more sense. I think you and I are having some kind of communication misinterpretation across multiple threads.

I understand that the DLC situation is a good deal and that the DLC doesn't consist of anything that was removed from the retail game specifically for DLC(besides planes that come with preorder) which is neat. But if people don't wanna pay for it, then they might be missing out, but it is their decision to make. An insult doesn't help the situation either.

I'm wasn't miscommunicating anything by what I said to you earlier. The T-shirt thing was my only miscommunication. I understand the situation now. I don't know EVERYTHING. I'm not Jesus.

[PF_Lizard]

I'm happy to pay for DLC so long as it is priced right.

Wipeout HD recently got a huge expansion that cost about £8. That was pretty good value when you think of how much work went into that, and how much extra content there is.

I must admit I prefer the expansion pack style DLC (like PC) to sticker packs and new clothes nonsense; something worthwhile, not a blatant money spinner.

Think about it though. It must cost a huge amount to develop something like IL2 BoP. I think it's unlikely companies are able to support it for long after release. Business is business. I'm happy to support good work.
What other flight sims are there for PS3? Exactly. I'm going to support this one.

[juz1]

come to think about it, it's kind of fairer to knock out a cheaper game with bare bones multiplayer and then charge for dlc that fleshes out mp. There are alot of people that cannot get on xbl/psn...I only just manage on a 3g wireless network connection (no adsl/cable in MANY parts of the world)...and long term look at how much you play the game online as opposed to off...
sure whether or not my avatar has a shiny pink neckerchief is another matter....mind you...a Biggles scarf..mmmm...
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[trk29]

I don't know EVERYTHING. I'm not Jesus.

Nice! :-P

[juz1]

I don't know EVERYTHING. I'm not Jesus.

so JCs the guy you want on your team in pub quiz? What about the soap opera questions? I thought he was just your man for sorting out a round of drinks at cheap weddings and catering outdoor events...
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[redtiger02]

In the UK, i've tended to find most ps3 games come out at and get knocked down to around the £30 mark (as with il-2), it's only the rare exception such as Modern Warfare 2 which have a much higher price than the norm.

I'm all for DLC if its an expansion to a game, adding new stuff 3-6 months down the line to keep the fanbase happy, it does peeve me though that the latest trend is to hold stuff back for release then charge a few extra quid for it a few weeks later. Or have something thats xbox only and something ps3 only, and then charge each console base for the one they didnt get on release. Looking at PSN lately, taking one example... of a newly released golf game.. within hardly a few weeks of it being out theres probably £50+ worth of DLC out already. Look at each item individually, and you think.. whats £1 for a new skin or in game item.. but then add them all up, and it's definitely a rip off in my view. Of course, I have the option to not buy it, before inevitably someone mentions that :P

I would love for them to go back to the days when DLC was free, but they won't. Once gaming went mainstream they started seeing dollar signs, then it got a little greedy. Asking them to give us free DLC for BoP may be too much, but maybe they could lower the price a little. DLC can make or break a game. Take HAWX, for example: they started with a great, albeit unrealistic game, and it had a huge following. But just a few months down the road, lack of DLC killed it off in a big way. The guys at 1C seem to be making all the right decisions and maybe they will read what we are all saying and make it free or discounted. Yeah, we have the option not to buy it, but none of us want to be the one guy in the room that doesn't have the new planes or maps. Status quo comes to the gaming world.

[redtiger02]

I understand that the DLC situation is a good deal and that the DLC doesn't consist of anything that was removed from the retail game specifically for DLC(besides planes that come with preorder) which is neat. But if people don't wanna pay for it, then they might be missing out, but it is their decision to make. An insult doesn't help the situation either.

I'm wasn't miscommunicating anything by what I said to you earlier. The T-shirt thing was my only miscommunication. I understand the situation now. I don't know EVERYTHING. I'm not Jesus.

OK, you're not Jesus, but based on reading everything you've put out there I would give you credit as maybe a lesser-known prophet from the Mycanean era, so it's not all negative here. Let me simplify the statement that started all of this: Don't look a $10 gift horse in the mouth. We are riding a delicate balance between profit for the developers and affordability for the gamers. Recessions suck. I just hope that somewhere we can find a happy medium between the two, that's all.

[Riceball]

As long as it is worth it, I really don't mind if all the DLC amounts to a $100 game. But that's just me. Many console users, like me, have been starving for a game such as this. And I can safely say I will keep this game and play it for years. I am the type that gets bored with games pretty quickly and I never have more than a few. I really liked CoD:WaW, and I sold that months ago.

And you have to think that BoP and it's sequal/next addition will be the best air combat games on consoles until the next generation.

[Swagger7]

so JCs the guy you want on your team in pub quiz? What about the soap opera questions? I thought he was just your man for sorting out a round of drinks at cheap weddings and catering outdoor events...

LOL! :grin:

[JWkegger]

the only thing that i think should be free at least should be the german cockpits for multiplayer, that in my opinion should be the only thing anyone has to stand on to complain about. to me at least it makes it look like the game was rushed or partially incomplete, otherwise how could you have sim multiplayer matches?

BUT that being said this game is looking to be one of the best games on the 360 and as such i will have no problem buying some DLC, especially since the cockpits are going to be thrown in along with the planes or whatever you will be buying, your not going to have to buy just the cockpits. the fact that the devs listened to the complained and actuallly replied to the feedback is enough for me to want to support this franchise even IF the cockpits were left out intentionally or unintentionally.

Hell this game looks so good id probably donate money to them if that was an option just to help support and keep this franchise going for more releases.

[Riceball]

the only thing that i think should be free at least should be the german cockpits

Yes, they should have been included in the first place.

[Porcho]

ok you're getting a game for $10 less than normal and complaining about paying an extra $5 to get new planes? I don't know how your flying is, but your math sucks.

I don't get the whole math and flying crap to be honest. In Simulators I never used math to fly, mostly because I'm terrible at it... but I also never needed to.

[redtiger02]

I don't get the whole math and flying crap to be honest. In Simulators I never used math to fly, mostly because I'm terrible at it... but I also never needed to.

You're right! You never need math in flying, you especially don't need math to calculate fuel burn, never once needed it to calculate distance vs airspeed, and you absolutely never, never, never need math to calculate weight and balance so that you can figure out ground roll on takeoff/landing and obstacle clearance. What really happens, and they won't tell you this until you pass your VFR checkride, is that you actually are assigned a magical fairy who flies along with you and rests on the wing, and her job is to remind you of everything. If she fails, she goes to fairy prison. I know that's an advanced technique, but hey, this information is for free. But, I don't know everything, I'm not Jesus.

[redtiger02]

Yes, they should have been included in the first place.

Have they given us any reason why they didn't include German cockpits? It seems kinda silly to have such a great game and then leave out cockpits for planes that are very obviously part of multi. I really hope that they stick with authenticity instead of going weinerschnitzel on a P-47 cockpit just to appease us. It's a little disconcerting that they put a P-47D cockpit in the P-51D and I am hoping that it's only for the sake of the demo. I am and will remain in awe of the realism presented in this game otherwise. Just a few little tweaks and we're perfect. That's right 1C, we want our cake and we want to eat it too. Then we want to steal other peoples' cake, but we need authentic cockpits true to the aircraft to do so. And we thank you for your support!

[trk29]

Have they given us any reason why they didn't include German cockpits? It seems kinda silly to have such a great game and then leave out cockpits for planes that are very obviously part of multi. I really hope that they stick with authenticity instead of going weinerschnitzel on a P-47 cockpit just to appease us. It's a little disconcerting that they put a P-47D cockpit in the P-51D and I am hoping that it's only for the sake of the demo. I am and will remain in awe of the realism presented in this game otherwise. Just a few little tweaks and we're perfect. That's right 1C, we want our cake and we want to eat it too. Then we want to steal other peoples' cake, but we need authentic cockpits true to the aircraft to do so. And we thank you for your support!

Answer was given in this thread.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=8948

[The Doctor B]

I personally am going to love this game. It will be my favourite game on any console. The more DLC they bring out the better, whether I have to pay for it or not. I will no doubt buy it all!:cool:

[fuzzychickens]

Answer was given in this thread.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=8948

Can you sticky that thread? EDIT: nm - I see you already did that.

It makes sense to have where everyone can see it so they'll realise that MORE planes where added W/O cockpits to add variety to originally planned smaller list.

People seem to think the number planes was set in stone from the beginning and the devs just got lazy and didn't do cockpits.

[Porcho]

You're right! You never need math in flying, you especially don't need math to calculate fuel burn, never once needed it to calculate distance vs airspeed, and you absolutely never, never, never need math to calculate weight and balance so that you can figure out ground roll on takeoff/landing and obstacle clearance. What really happens, and they won't tell you this until you pass your VFR checkride, is that you actually are assigned a magical fairy who flies along with you and rests on the wing, and her job is to remind you of everything. If she fails, she goes to fairy prison. I know that's an advanced technique, but hey, this information is for free. But, I don't know everything, I'm not Jesus.

Umm.. ok, thanks for that....:rolleyes:

[xNikex]

Have they given us any reason why they didn't include German cockpits? It seems kinda silly to have such a great game and then leave out cockpits for planes that are very obviously part of multi.

Read the very first response to this thread.

[Soviet Ace]

You're right! You never need math in flying, you especially don't need math to calculate fuel burn, never once needed it to calculate distance vs airspeed, and you absolutely never, never, never need math to calculate weight and balance so that you can figure out ground roll on takeoff/landing and obstacle clearance. What really happens, and they won't tell you this until you pass your VFR checkride, is that you actually are assigned a magical fairy who flies along with you and rests on the wing, and her job is to remind you of everything. If she fails, she goes to fairy prison. I know that's an advanced technique, but hey, this information is for free. But, I don't know everything, I'm not Jesus.

Actually, flying gliders you need to use math at times. Not every second or every hour, but you do when your trying to stay aloft :cool:

[redtiger02]

Actually, flying gliders you need to use math at times. Not every second or every hour, but you do when your trying to stay aloft :cool:

Umm it was sarcasm chief.

[skullblits]

I Cant get Dlc Ive no credit cards nor do i want any. But id rather pay extra 10£ On the game and get the Dlc later 4 Free.

But im talkin about cockpits 4 every plane, Not new planes ect I understand them charging for that

[redtiger02]

I Cant get Dlc Ive no credit cards nor do i want any. But id rather pay extra 10£ On the game and get the Dlc later 4 Free.

But im talkin about cockpits 4 every plane, Not new planes ect I understand them charging for that

I don't know about PSN because my PS3 is basically a Killzone 2/SOCOM machine, but for Xbox Live you can buy these cards that will get you some points. I am not sure where all you get them from but I saw them at Best Buy once. Does anyone know the denominations or number of points you can buy on the cards? I'm getting a little skeptical about using credit/debit cards online with all the identity theft going around.

[trk29]

Yesterday I read that psn cards should be coming to Europe.

[redtiger02]

I just checked at BestBuy.com and found this:

1600 Microsoft Points for $19.99.

I honestly don't know what they have across the pond, but there is probably something similar. Also, I agree, paying for cockpits for planes that are already in the game is kind of a sham, but new planes they can charge for.

[skullblits]

Sony has no such thing like Microsoft. In Uk For the silliest reason

[redtiger02]

Sony has no such thing like Microsoft. In Uk For the silliest reason

Now I'm curious in the academic sense. What's the silly reason that they don't have the cards in the UK? Sony must be off their damned rocker to cut a revenue stream like that.

[trk29]

Now I'm curious in the academic sense. What's the silly reason that they don't have the cards in the UK? Sony must be off their damned rocker to cut a revenue stream like that.

It doesn't make sense but alot of things Sony does doesn't make sense. Hopefully Europe will have them soon.

[skullblits]

Im not 100% sure, But America where they have the cards 4 ps3 Use a diffrent bradcasting system Than Uk, Uk's is PAL i think, and america's is something eles.

[Irishmandkg]

I don't care what i have to buy for this game. As long as we get support i'm fine. I'll pay for whatever DLC comes my way. This game is awesome

[skullblits]

Agreed But some of us cant get DLC at the moment :p

[rufuzmitchell]

Yesterday I read that psn cards should be coming to Europe.

Where did you read this? I'm from Europe and don't have or want a creditcard..I WOULD however buy psn cards if i could to get my hands on any DLC coming for this game.

Thing is: they've been talking for ages about psn cards coming to europe,but they sure take their sweet time!

[mattd27]

So when is the DLC with the two planes (the ones that some people got for free with a pre order) going to be out?

I'd like to know because I'm hoping to get BF:1943 with the extra points I have.