View Full Version : Simulation Mode + Multiplayer = Cockpit & virtual cockpit?
l88bastard
08-22-2009, 08:10 PM
When we are playing in multiplayer and elect for a Simulation match, will we be be able to switch from the cockpit view to the virtual cockpit view like we can in the single player demo?
If so then, I am going to just chock up the multiplayer as being the suck and not even bother. I HATE the virtual cockpit and refuse to use it cause it annoys me and looses so much immersion, so if I am in a simulation dogfight match online and my competition can use the virtual cockpit view and get a 60% view advantage over me than the fun and fairness of the multiplayer dogfighting is totally lost.
Soooo any word on this.... I know there are no german cockpits (which is total crap, at least put the 109 and the other really popular fighter cockpit in their), so will we be able to filter the match to only allow cockpit planes and only allow cockpit views?
Roboslob
08-22-2009, 08:44 PM
at least put the 109 and the other really popular fighter cockpit in there
They planning to add those via DLC.
Good news - we want to add some of them (at least Bf109) to the next DLC (next to the one already scheduled for let's say October), in addition to what will be there. We'll try it to be out this year, as a deadline, probably sooner.
bussinrounds
08-22-2009, 08:49 PM
Virtual would def be an advantage, if you could pick. Should be one, or the other.
HauptmannMolders
08-22-2009, 08:56 PM
I asked Anton a few days ago if one of the options in online play would be to fix the view that everyone will use and I got a one word answer "yep". Pretty clear! Having asked the question myself I could not agree more with your concerns but it looks like they've addressed this particular one.
l88bastard
08-22-2009, 10:48 PM
Ok this is excellent news!
David603
08-22-2009, 11:05 PM
The bad news is that with the cockpit view locked in there are only 12 planes, all of them Allied, to choose from.
David603
08-23-2009, 12:54 AM
The good news is that that is the only bad news:)
(because if it was a mix of cockpit + virtual, guys would go ballistic i guess)
Its pretty bad news.
12 planes are going to get boring pretty quickly. The ones I know about are the Spitfire, Hurricane, I-16, Il10, and P47, and the P51 apparently shares the P47s cockpit, so that will be there. I just hope the three marks of Spitfire aren't being counted as three of the 12 planes. Might be a Yak-3 or one or two of the other Russian fighters for the two Russian campaigns, but I haven't seen these yet. I think at least one of the 12 is a heavy bomber, and they don't have cockpits, so the list is down to 11. If the planes are locked to their respective sides then the only mode which will work is Dogfight.
Because of this, I will probably play in Sim matches that allow all aircraft, and just use something with a cockpit myself.
:grin:I can understand peoples disappointment, but lets be honest... MP is STILL going to be Sh!tload of fun..:grin:
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David603
08-23-2009, 01:01 AM
:grin:I can understand peoples disappointment, but lets be honest... MP is STILL going to be Sh!tload of fun..:grin:
Amen to that, but the Bf109 and Fw190 cockpits can't get here soon enough.
Amen to that, but the Bf109 and Fw190 cockpits can't get here soon enough.
Sh!t yeah...fundamental.....here's hoping they get generic striker/bomber/jet cockpits on the go too (if not the actual ones)
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David603
08-23-2009, 01:13 AM
Sh!t yeah...fundamental.....here's hoping they get generic striker/bomber/jet cockpits on the go too (if not the actual ones)
I would rather they got a couple of accurate real cockpits up for the Bf109 and Fw190 and then used these for all the single engined Axis aircraft, replacing these with the correct cockpits as these were made. Same for the Allied aircraft. That way the planes would have cockpits, even if they weren't all the right ones, and eventually we would end up with every plane having the right cockpit.
I would rather they got a couple of accurate real cockpits up for the Bf109 and Fw190 and then used these for all the single engined Axis aircraft, replacing these with the correct cockpits as these were made. Same for the Allied aircraft. That way the planes would have cockpits, even if they weren't all the right ones, and eventually we would end up with every plane having the right cockpit.
best hoped for outcome...but really, is this going to happen?:confused:
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SleepTrgt
08-23-2009, 01:36 AM
Dont think so if you consider budget etc.
David603
08-23-2009, 01:50 AM
If that's too expensive, then just go with the promised cockpits for the Bf109 and Fw190 then and use these for all the Axis planes. Use a similar solution for the Allied ones. Its better than nothing and it would allow cockpit only multiplayer.
But think about it in the long run, they will need these cockpits for any sequels, so they might as well put them in now.
SleepTrgt
08-23-2009, 01:53 AM
agreed
Empi666
08-23-2009, 04:55 AM
:grin:I can understand peoples disappointment, but lets be honest... MP is STILL going to be Sh!tload of fun..:grin:
Yup! its going to be a blast!
BeaverCompany01
08-23-2009, 05:57 AM
The virtual cockpit rules. Just get used to it and then all the plannes are on the same page.
l88bastard
08-23-2009, 06:22 AM
The virtual cockpit rules. Just get used to it and then all the plannes are on the same page.
the virtual cockpit is crap and ruins the WW2 feel absolutely.
BeaverCompany01
08-23-2009, 06:27 AM
You are wrong.
everyone is entitled to their opinion...
with the cockpits its relative, but I reckon the more you use a cockpit, the more you wanna stick with it...the virtual is great for field of view, but there are aspects of intuitive play that require a cockpit for correct orientation...
its a bit like drive sims, I'm quicker with a bonnet view, but drivers seat view is so much more rewarding...plus the instruments are handy...
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PF_Lizard
08-23-2009, 09:57 AM
...but there are aspects of intuitive play that require a cockpit for correct orientation...
its a bit like drive sims, I'm quicker with a bonnet view, but drivers seat view is so much more rewarding...plus the instruments are handy...
Exactly! +1 Good car analogy.
I find the cockpit much easier to remain orientated. I often forget which direction my plane is facing when looking at a target in virtual cockpit... :rolleyes:
SleepTrgt
08-23-2009, 03:31 PM
yea same problem, tracking a target suddenly noticing im going straight to the ground.
mondo
08-24-2009, 09:55 AM
The bad news is that with the cockpit view locked in there are only 12 planes, all of them Allied, to choose from.
And that is a deal breaker.
merro
08-24-2009, 10:19 AM
And that is a deal breaker.
That sucks, but not a deal breaker for me.
mondo
08-24-2009, 03:04 PM
I just don't get sim multiplayer being 12 allied planes only. It kills it as a sim for me. An utter let down. Given the plane choices you can't even make a sudo Korean war scenario with them.
bird of bait
08-24-2009, 03:17 PM
i hope the dlc with the german planes come soon and i hope its free because we deserve to get them not pay 10 euros more only for cockpits we already had to have in the beginning
David603
08-24-2009, 03:29 PM
I just don't get sim multiplayer being 12 allied planes only. It kills it as a sim for me. An utter let down. Given the plane choices you can't even make a sudo Korean war scenario with them.
That's a misunderstanding, unless you mean the game isn't Sim unless it is cockpit only view. When locked to cockpit only view by the host the game is indeed only 12 Allied planes, but all planes are usable if the host leaves the game as Sim with the choice of cockpit and virtual cockpit views. Also Anton has promised the cockpits for the Bf109 and Fw190 will be added by the end of this year, if not sooner.
mattd27
08-24-2009, 03:54 PM
Exactly! +1 Good car analogy.
I find the cockpit much easier to remain orientated. I often forget which direction my plane is facing when looking at a target in virtual cockpit... :rolleyes:
yeah same here, I only tried the virtual cockpit once and hated it. I actually like third person (when not in sim mode obviously) because you get to see a lot more of the action, and the damage system looks great.
But I've got no problem with cockpit view either, and I can use it just as effectively.:)
haitch40
08-24-2009, 03:55 PM
everyone is entitled to their opinion...
with the cockpits its relative, but I reckon the more you use a cockpit, the more you wanna stick with it...the virtual is great for field of view, but there are aspects of intuitive play that require a cockpit for correct orientation...
its a bit like drive sims, I'm quicker with a bonnet view, but drivers seat view is so much more rewarding...plus the instruments are handy...
u know what with drive sims im faster in the cockpit lol
mondo
08-25-2009, 08:11 AM
That's a misunderstanding, unless you mean the game isn't Sim unless it is cockpit only view. When locked to cockpit only view by the host the game is indeed only 12 Allied planes, but all planes are usable if the host leaves the game as Sim with the choice of cockpit and virtual cockpit views. Also Anton has promised the cockpits for the Bf109 and Fw190 will be added by the end of this year, if not sooner.
IMHO sim mode is locked into the cockpit. Anything else isn't simulation as your allowed to have unrealistic view points.
sort of simmish...
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BeaverCompany01
08-25-2009, 01:49 PM
simmish is a good thing
Especially if its fun!
Stanrosquain
08-26-2009, 08:22 AM
When we are playing in multiplayer and elect for a Simulation match, will we be be able to switch from the cockpit view to the virtual cockpit view like we can in the single player demo?
If so then, I am going to just chock up the multiplayer as being the suck and not even bother. I HATE the virtual cockpit and refuse to use it cause it annoys me and looses so much immersion, so if I am in a simulation dogfight match online and my competition can use the virtual cockpit view and get a 60% view advantage over me than the fun and fairness of the multiplayer dogfighting is totally lost.
Soooo any word on this.... I know there are no german cockpits (which is total crap, at least put the 109 and the other really popular fighter cockpit in their), so will we be able to filter the match to only allow cockpit planes and only allow cockpit views?
No cockpit view for the German and bombers ? :( :( :(
This is very bad news, the first but very bad.
I saw myself already in the cockpit of my beautiful Bf 109 K-4 to track down Spitfires and P-51 Or in the cockpit of a He-111 look right to left through the panoramic glass roof if there are fighter in the vicinity.
I am very disappointed :( ( and many people in the french forum "jeuxvideo.com" too)
Anyway, this game is still a head of Artwork (it's still a hard blow for me who am a fanatical of German aviation)
I hope this problem will be solved in a next il-2. :-)
a reminder...according to Anton a german cockpit or two will feature in patch/dlc sept/oct
lets keep it in perspective:grin:
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Stanrosquain
08-26-2009, 10:11 AM
2 cockpit is not much.
List of German planes in this game:
Bf-109
Bf-110
Fw-190
He-111
Ju-87 Stuka
Me 262
Me 163 komet
He-162
Hs-123
Ar-234
planes than i would hope to use frequently in MP : Bf-109 k, He-111, He-162, He-219 Pe-2, Il-2, B-17
If I understood, none of these 7 planes have a cockpit view.
It is very discouraging.
And only the Bf 109 cockpit should be present in the DLC. :(
PF_Lizard
08-26-2009, 10:56 AM
the FW-190 has the nicest cockpit of all WWII planes. It's the interior of an 80's japanese sports car! lol
TheBurningBlue
08-26-2009, 08:59 PM
If you join a game where you are locked into the cockpit view I assume this would prevent any team based games because all planes would be allies and so you wouldn't know who is on your team.
Demo is awesome by the way, can't wait to get the full game:grin:
mattd27
08-26-2009, 09:17 PM
Those bubble cockpits the bombers have are really cool. Really hoping that might be in some DLC too.:confused:
TheBurningBlue
08-26-2009, 09:27 PM
I guess/think the planes are color coded. So team A has planes with RED marking and team B has planes with BLUE marking (or something like that)
I thought i've seen it on some MP vids (planes with samey color)
cool, thanks mate
irrelevant
08-26-2009, 09:33 PM
the FW-190 has the nicest cockpit of all WWII planes. It's the interior of an 80's japanese sports car! lol
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Stanrosquain
08-27-2009, 08:09 AM
Those bubble cockpits the bombers have are really cool. Really hoping that might be in some DLC too.:confused:
Cockpits of the Me 262, he-162, He163, BF-110 and FW-190 may not be present, bombers still less in a DLC.
Initially I intended to take often bombers in MP (especially the He-111 with its glass bubble :eek: ) but now they just told us that bombers wouldn't have cockpit view, I have less desire to take its in MP. :(
We are most feeling full contact, which gave us the impression that we found in the cockpit of a He-111 in 1940 in formation, tried to stay the course despite the bullets that rang around through panoramic windows and despite the fear that one feels in seeing through the windows cracked our allies entirely on fire or with a wing of their bomber in less.
(sorry for my bad english)
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