View Full Version : two evil words "Deutsche Cockpits"
Gilgenbach
08-16-2009, 06:03 AM
Hello Community,
as all "gernam cickpot" (words slightly changed as I am not allowed to mention them) threads are locked (wonder why), I just wanted to tell you that I contacted the french site who published the review (Micromania), or better the author of the article and just asked him if he can assure that none of the german planes did have a "cickpot". Maybe he can also tell us what build he was using.
I know thats all speculation but I am still very sceptical. I guess this will be allowed. Should I recieve an answer I will post it here. No further discussion needed. Dont want to piss off anyone.
Horrido and have a nice day!
Rob
Dont want to piss off anyone.
Rob
I don't think the mods were pissed off, I'm pretty sure they were just doing their job to be frank. Claiming someone is pissed off when they are not is a good way to get them pissed off...QED...;)
ANYHOW, thank you for your diligence on the french review follow up.
lets all keep our collective fingers crossed on this one...:cool:
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Gilgenbach
08-16-2009, 10:33 AM
I don't think the mods were pissed off, I'm pretty sure they were just doing their job to be frank. Claiming someone is pissed off when they are not is a good way to get them pissed off...QED...;)
ANYHOW, thank you for your diligence on the french review follow up.
lets all keep our collective fingers crossed on this one...:cool:
Thans for the friendly words mate, normaly I would not make such a fuzz about stuff like this. I only find it very very strange that we have not had a statement by Anton, who so far (i have been reading this forum for ages) has answered even the most silly of questions. Its either this one sentence by the grandmaster himself OR the "yes or no" experience when I insert my BoP CD into the console. And to be honest, personaly I fly german planes only in IL2 and would not buy BoP if I had no cockpit view. ONE SENTENCE MISTER YUDINTSEV PLEASE!!!
Cheers
trk29
08-16-2009, 12:37 PM
Hello Community,
as all "gernam cickpot" (words slightly changed as I am not allowed to mention them) threads are locked (wonder why), I just wanted to tell you. Dont want to piss off anyone.
Rob
Listen, I was not pissed off you didn't hurt my feelings, but when you rearrange the letters of certain words and type Deutsche "German" Cockpits , and being sarcastic about it just shows how immature you can be. The questions were fine to ask in one thead not "four different threads" and I'm sure its been noted.
I was going by forum rules.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=1874
7. Double posting (posting similar content) of threads (topics) is prohibited.
This has actually been quadruple posted now.
I only find it very very strange that we have not had a statement by Anton,
Probably because he can't the reasons why is publisher (Which he has said before) or all the other posts about how this game is not going to be good because of this, or how many people are not going to buy it now.
If we don't find out about the cockpits until launch then wait until launch day and come to the forum to find out before you buy.
Go look at the twitter page.
http://twitter.com/IL2BirdsOfPrey
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 06:14 AM
Some guy on xbw.nl has a promo copy. I asked him plain and simple if there are german cockpits (to be found in MP)
He hasn't reported back yet. As soon as he does i'll report here. Or track yourself --> http://forum.xboxworld.nl/showthread.php?t=127347&page=5 (dutch)
Just read the thread, hope the guy will be giving feedback - Thanks mate
Ace Rimmer
08-19-2009, 09:51 AM
Please keep us posted. I think the so called German cockpits are going to fall along the same line as the P-51. Meaning there is going to be one cockpit for the 109 and the 190.
haitch40
08-19-2009, 09:57 AM
help i dont speak dutch
elneilios
08-19-2009, 10:09 AM
help i dont speak dutch
I think its German, although that probably doesn't help :P
Edit:
Actually I just noticed the url is .nl which must mean Netherlands, my bad!
Edit Edit:
Plus the poster put (dutch) in brackets after the Url.... I really need to learn to read things more thoroughly before posting...
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 06:03 PM
I think its German, although that probably doesn't help :P
Edit:
Actually I just noticed the url is .nl which must mean Netherlands, my bad!
Edit Edit:
Plus the poster put (dutch) in brackets after the Url.... I really need to learn to read things more thoroughly before posting...
Its Dutch, not german. But quite understandable for a Kraut like me ;-) Nothing new in the thread, the guy with the promo has not answered on the cockpit question yet
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Its Dutch, not german. But quite understandable for a Kraut like me ;-) Nothing new in the thread, the guy with the promo has not answered on the cockpit question yet
EDIT AND BAD NEWS, Last post says "New Information, cockpit views for severeal german planes (including ME109) are missing!!"
I wonder if we will get a feedback now, somethings wrong!
"En kreeg een pm van Maxqubit over die Duitse vliegtuigen, nou, cockpit-view voor een aantal Duitse vliegtuigen waaronder de BF109 (meerdere modellen) ontbreken!""
SleepTrgt
08-19-2009, 06:14 PM
makes me wonder, Some german planes including the bf109 or ALL german planes.
well probably lose some sells now :(
David603
08-19-2009, 06:16 PM
Ah well. Back to Il2 1946 until the Bf109 gets a cockpit.
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 06:29 PM
Ah well. Back to Il2 1946 until the Bf109 gets a cockpit.
that sucks - no wonder nobody gave any PRECISE information so far.
bird of bait
08-19-2009, 06:42 PM
ah that sucks but they al got demo's and not they game that will hit the shelves in september i hope that the german cockpits are in there
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 06:47 PM
ah that sucks but they al got demo's and not they game that will hit the shelves in september i hope that the german cockpits are in there
I would love to believe that, but the fact until now and the fact that no one said anything precise so far makes me think the worst is to come.
SleepTrgt
08-19-2009, 06:49 PM
ah that sucks but they al got demo's and not they game that will hit the shelves in september i hope that the german cockpits are in there
No that guy is a Site reviewer who got a Promo copy of BoP
So you can only hope in DLC
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 06:54 PM
No that guy is a Site reviewer who got a Promo copy of BoP
So you can only hope in DLC
If thats realy the case I feel kind of being treated like a fool. Keep the community going by spreading non precise information that anybody interprets differently and blow the bomb after they bought their copy of the game. Spend money, find out everything else afterwards! And what makes my sad is not thats cockpits are missing, but that we have probably have been told rubbish knowingly up until now.
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 07:04 PM
Very fishy indeed
(reminds me of the 'missing console editor' of FlashpointDragonRising ... it really took a long time for CM to come forward, and still the matter is not clear ... Ohh, and what about big brother MS himself with the infamous RRoD disaster:))
Anyway, i WILL DEFO buy the game because it (demo) is a damned fine game, but the 'missing german cockpits' yeah, inexcuseable i'd say!
IL2 with no Multiplayer component - at least for me. Who wants to fly a camera!?
SleepTrgt
08-19-2009, 07:10 PM
I will take what i can get, still its very sad :(
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 07:13 PM
As the only two people on the board who could clear everything up are online right now I wonder if we will get a fair and precise answer now.:confused:
SleepTrgt
08-19-2009, 07:15 PM
Thy might say the promos arent full versions of the game... wich dont seem handy to me though.
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 07:19 PM
Thy might say the promos arent full versions of the game... wich dont seem handy to me though.
If Anton said "There are german cockpits in game for the following planes" I would believe him.
Gilgenbach
08-19-2009, 07:30 PM
I would too (and i'm still buying the game so no loss either)
As he just spend a time here reading threads on other subjects and ignoring us again I suppose we have to live with the fact of having been treated like fools for the last weeks, at least concerning the cockpit thing.
Signing out,
Cheers mates
I have to say I'm extremely disappointed. What an extraordinary and crucial ommision , and one that has shattered my expectations and enthusiasm for the game.
Gutted :(
manintrees
08-19-2009, 08:53 PM
I am really shocked that people would not buy the game if some cockpit views were missing. I'm not passing judgment as I respect personal opinions but it seems to me like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Maybe I just don't understand how passionate some people are about certain aircraft. Maybe flying different planes will help develop appreciation for other aircraft.
Dubbedinenglish
08-19-2009, 08:58 PM
I am really shocked that people would not buy the game if some cockpit views were missing. I'm not passing judgment as I respect personal opinions but it seems to me like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Maybe I just don't understand how passionate some people are about certain aircraft. Maybe flying different planes will help develop appreciation for other aircraft.
More than just preference it's an imbalance in the MP portion of the game. If in sim-settings one plane has about 60% of the view eliminated by the plane's interior and other dude has a completely clear field of view...Who do you think has an immediate advantage?
That the Bf109's are some of the war's most iconic aircraft.
David603
08-19-2009, 08:59 PM
I am really shocked that people would not buy the game if some cockpit views were missing. I'm not passing judgment as I respect personal opinions but it seems to me like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Maybe I just don't understand how passionate some people are about certain aircraft. Maybe flying different planes will help develop appreciation for other aircraft.
I appreciate other aircraft all right, I appreciate their weaknesses relative to a Bf109. ;)
Seriously though, this is really going to mess up Sim mode online.
SleepTrgt
08-19-2009, 09:01 PM
More than just preference it's an imbalance in the MP portion of the game. If in sim-settings one plane has about 60% of the view eliminated by the plane's interior and other dude has a completely clear field of view...Who do you think has an immediate advantage?
That the Bf109's are some of the war's most iconic aircraft.
Dont forget everyone can use virtual cockpit, but yea it DOES make it less SIM
is a cockpit a possibility for dlc?
I'm amazed about the 109 ommission seeing as you only have to look at literature and other media to see a SERIOUSLY fanatical fanbase of this plane...
but then maybe I shouldn't be...if cockpits are potentially dlc then its just another cash cow...
All MASSIVE speculation I know but I'm beginning to think enthusiasm for a game is being interpreted as " lets milk 'em" by the publishers...
and there's me thinking MW2 was going to be bad for "double-dipping" punters
:rolleyes:
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manintrees
08-19-2009, 10:04 PM
[QUOTE=Dubbedinenglish;91412]More than just preference it's an imbalance in the MP portion of the game. If in sim-settings one plane has about 60% of the view eliminated by the plane's interior and other dude has a completely clear field of view...Who do you think has an immediate advantage?QUOTE]
I had not considered this element. That alone might make a person choose a plane without a cockpit as there would be a clear advantage. I also didn't know that the Me109 was so popular (same as a Bf109 right?). I can't imagine a missing cockpit for a P-51. If the cockpit is offered for sale as DLC I will buy it, but I would hope that the devs didn't do this on purpose.
Considering Anton has been very open to ideas and sharing his knowledge up until this issue, has anyone considered that he may be just letting us squirm for fun and that the retail game actually DOES have all the cockpits?
SleepTrgt
08-19-2009, 10:10 PM
Its not confirmed by anton but by some game (p)reviewers
irrelevant
08-20-2009, 12:31 AM
Considering Anton has been very open to ideas and sharing his knowledge up until this issue, has anyone considered that he may be just letting us squirm for fun and that the retail game actually DOES have all the cockpits?
This would make me pee myself more than once.
Flyboy69
08-20-2009, 02:04 AM
What kind of sim doesn't have german cockpits. Seriously, even
Blazing Angels 2 hase cockpit view. I hope they find a way to fix this
mess.
MakoCSH
08-20-2009, 02:22 AM
All this wild speculation is hurting my head.
Why don't we all just WAIT AND SEE.
If it's a game breaker, and you pre-order, don't open the game until you find out. Most places let you return unopened games (just ask to make sure).
Irishmandkg
08-20-2009, 02:25 AM
I need the demo!
SleepTrgt
08-20-2009, 02:37 AM
All this wild speculation is hurting my head.
Why don't we all just WAIT AND SEE.
If it's a game breaker, and you pre-order, don't open the game until you find out. Most places let you return unopened games (just ask to make sure).
Dude no speculation, Answer by a reviewer.
So its proof, unless his version aint the full version wich doesent make sense because he has to review it.
manintrees
08-20-2009, 03:01 AM
Dude no speculation, Answer by a reviewer.
So its proof, unless his version aint the full version wich doesent make sense because he has to review it.
A review could be done on a demo I imagine. Can someone link this review? I personally have faith in the devs that this is a rumor run wild. If it is true and the cockpits are missing then the devs will have to answer to the people that buy the game. I still think it is odd that Anton has yet to post a comment when he is very involved in the forums (for a dev). He has stated in another post that there will be upgrades coming. Was this a hint? If the cockpits do exist and the devs are keeping quite just to watch the rumor mill turn itself inside out then I imagine they are enjoying this immensely. They have been addressing paranoid issues all along so maybe they thought they would just let this one play itself out *fingers crossed*.
SleepTrgt
08-20-2009, 03:09 AM
Dude it wassent a Review, Dude who had just recieved a promo copy of the game told us on dutch forum there was no cockpit for several german planes.
To me its unlikely a review copy isnt full version, but still could be.
Just dont get your hopes up.
Flyboy69
08-20-2009, 03:36 AM
This german cockpit problem better not be true. If it is then this game is gonna have problems and they probably wont fix it. Someone needs to explain whats going on with this game because this game might fail.
SleepTrgt
08-20-2009, 03:44 AM
well be ready for it, if its not true in the end only better.
Anyway with or without i think this game is gonna kick ass.
I do love the cockpit view and its a shame if they arent there, but this game is all im getting in this genre.
And im glad i can have an expirience like this, its still a game you just gotta enjoy yourself with the tools you've got.
Ofcourse its a let down for the ppl who used to play il-2 on the pc, I'm sure Anton and his team did there best making this game.
Its all about your own Imagination.
Flyboy69
08-20-2009, 04:14 AM
I am a person who loves flying and flight games. Your right its all about what you got and imagination. All I can say is we will see until the release. And to those who wish for cockpit view, dont get let down. The game is still a ways
off and they have enough time to fix some things.
SlappyDingle
08-20-2009, 04:45 AM
I am a person who loves flying and flight games. Your right its all about what you got and imagination. All I can say is we will see until the release. And to those who wish for cockpit view, dont get let down. The game is still a ways
off and they have enough time to fix some things.
But.......it comes out in September.......2009.
Riceball
08-20-2009, 11:14 AM
I don't know what to think about all this. It may be true, but if there are no cockpits for certin planes, then I doubt we would have to wait long to recieve them. It would have to be DLC. But there is now way we would be charged for something that should be in the game anyway.
And "Promotional Copy" does'nt mean much to me. I could say the demo is a promo.
But there is no way we would be charged for something that should be in the game anyway.
.
kind of trusting aren't we...:grin:
I guess they couldn't edit out the nodding dog and the fluffy dice...
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Riceball
08-20-2009, 11:40 AM
Having to pay for cockpits of planes that are already in the game is like being forced to pay the electric company extra because your power went out for a week.
There would be outrage. It would be a bigger mistake then never having the pits at all.
David603
08-20-2009, 11:45 AM
Nah, they won't charge for cockpits. These will come in a free patch somewhere down the line once they have got round to completing them. What they will charge for are new aircraft and maps, stuff like that.
Apeboy
08-20-2009, 12:40 PM
.... once they have got round to completing them.
Then I'll get around to considering purchasing this game. The way ic has been evading and outright ignoring direct questions leads me to believe there are more issues with this project than just missing cockpits.
Riceball
08-20-2009, 12:52 PM
Ok. We won't miss you.
all they need to do is one generic kraut cockpit...somewhere between a 109 and a 190....then when they're feeling ace about this achievement they might get round to a generic jet cockpit...and then when we can feel slightly less deflated...
as it happens we have a p47 cockpit in a p51....maybe generic nationality cockpits will be the way it goes for a while...
(I bet the russian Cockpit are ALL there!....:eek::eek::eek:)
;-)
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