Gunner position real,virtual, or only 3rd person?

[trk29]

Watching the demo we finally saw the gunner position in the Sturmovik, but is there going to be a real cockpit for the gunner, virtual, or only 3rd person perspective?

[Gilgenbach]

Watching the demo we finally saw the gunner position in the Sturmovik, but is there going to be a real cockpit for the gunner, virtual, or only 3rd person perspective?

Yes that would be interesting to know, with the answer on this question I would also like to hear a definitive answer on the MP cockpits of the german planes. Virtual? "Real"? :) I know I am repeating myself, but getting no feedback from the developers side makes me think, whatever was said in the live demo :cool:

[BigPickle]

lordy not again :p you what locked thread topic this will flair up

[trk29]

Yes that would be interesting to know, with the answer on this question I would also like to hear a definitive answer on the MP cockpits of the german planes. Virtual? "Real"? :) I know I am repeating myself, but getting no feedback from the developers side makes me think, whatever was said in the live demo :cool:

This thread was started for the gunner position not the german cockpits, they will communicate when they are ready.

If the cockpits are brought up in this thread anymore your post will be deleted. Not meaning your post in general, I was meaning any posts by anybody. Sorry I wasn't singling you out.

[BigPickle]

lol thank god, that was a lot of reading that just depressed me, why cant ppl just get along lol

[Gilgenbach]

This thread was started for the gunner position not the german cockpits, they will communicate when they are ready.

If the cockpits are brought up in this thread anymore your post will be deleted.

Do I detect a certain flavor of "being pissed off" between the lines?
They wont comunicate until the game is out, might well be.
What about german cockpit gunner positions? (HE111 nose gondola?) am I allowed to mention these sir?

Horrido

Rob

[butterfield]

This thread was started for the gunner position not the german cockpits, they will communicate when they are ready.



Your right.... they will communicate when they are ready...after they already have your money. The communication will be in the form of you placing the BOP cd in your console and finding out for yourself. I'm predicting ' high disappointment' with the gunner position.

[BigPickle]

I dont rekon guys, i think they know they will have to include positions, even non simmers would just see it as gay and lazy if they didnt.

[Gilgenbach]

Your right.... they will communicate when they are ready...after they already have your money. The communication will be in the form of you placing the BOP cd in your console and finding out for yourself. I'm predicting ' high disappointment' with the gunner position.

"in strong german accent" - STOP ZIS DISTRUCTIVE TALK BRITISHER, OR ZIS POST VILL BE DELETED ;) only joking :-) But you are so right mate...

[trk29]

Do I detect a certain flavor of "being pissed off" between the lines?


No you did not detect me being pissed off, I am only stating that there was two threads with concern about german cockpits and this thread is about gunner positions. If they wish to comment on cockpits in more detail than what was said on the Q&A on the demo then they will, Anton has a list of questions from us to ask the publisher and when he gets the green light to answer he does. In a forum thread the thread is there for the topic in question, the topic should not stray.


What about german cockpit gunner positions? (HE111 nose gondola?) am I allowed to mention these sir?

Horrido

Rob

That is fine because that is a gunner position. Hopefully they will be "real" also.

[trk29]

Your right.... they will communicate when they are ready...after they already have your money. The communication will be in the form of you placing the BOP cd in your console and finding out for yourself. I'm predicting ' high disappointment' with the gunner position.

The question has been asked and the concern is there hopefully that is not the case.:grin:

I would also like to see Anton comment on this.

[Raw Kryptonite]

I'm pretty sure that during the demonstration the other morning that he mentioned that gunners are 3rd person only. Check the video about 1/3 of the way through at the IL-2 mission.

[trk29]

I'm pretty sure that during the demonstration the other morning that he mentioned that gunners are 3rd person only. Check the video about 1/3 of the way through at the IL-2 mission.

Just watched the video again and I didn't hear him say it was 3rd person only, they only thing he said is that "you can switch to rear gunner view". So we will have to wait.

[xNikex]

I'm not so sure abput this either. That's why I suggested it.

Looking back, I found in one of my older threads that someone asked if the weapon's turret was visible and the answer was no.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=69676&highlight=turret#post69676

Scroll to the bottem and someone said that Anton said this feature was not going to be BoP.

[trk29]

If that is true that is a bummer there's nothing like being right behind the gun while you shoot it.

[xNikex]

If that is true that is a bummer there's nothing like being right behind the gun while you shoot it.

Yes, it is unfortunate. Hopefully they will be able to make this feature possible in a DLC.

[Raw Kryptonite]

Just watched the video again and I didn't hear him say it was 3rd person only, they only thing he said is that "you can switch to rear gunner view". So we will have to wait.

Hmm, sorry, I don't know where I got that then? I could swear I remember hearing that somewhere.

[reverend66]

It would be fun if you could have more than one person in one aircraft (one piloting others at gun positions) I doubt this is possible on a console game though. We used to do it when I played Warbirds online years ago, it was fun to have 7 guys in a b24 chatting it up on the way to a target.

[fuzzychickens]

Do I detect a certain flavor of "being pissed off" between the lines?
They wont comunicate until the game is out, might well be.
What about german cockpit gunner positions? (HE111 nose gondola?) am I allowed to mention these sir?

Horrido

Rob

At this point, only Oleg can meet or come close to meeting all your expectations when BOB for the PC is out. I expect to be blown away when it finally is released (like when IL2 was).

It's clear to me that some compromises had to be made for this console version of IL2. The console companies are still stupidly focused on distinguishing consoles from computers when they should be expanding what consoles can do. This impacts our control options (officially licensed control crap limits our options), unlike the PC where just about anything goes.

Still, I'll be picking up BOP for PS3. It should provide a distraction until BOB is released.

[xNikex]

It would be fun if you could have more than one person in one aircraft (one piloting others at gun positions) I doubt this is possible on a console game though. We used to do it when I played Warbirds online years ago, it was fun to have 7 guys in a b24 chatting it up on the way to a target.

Anton said it could be possible in a sequel.

[BigPickle]

But why have to wait for a sequel when its totally doable now, that seems like... it will be in the next one, then, oh not this one but the next, and so on and so on, just to keep ppl buying, theres been a lot of that lately with console games, which is totally crap considering the average console game is twice as much in terms of cost compared to pc games. Cant help but feel its turnng into a pure money maker attitude.

[David603]

Its a case of having more things you could do than you actually have time to do within the deadlines from the publisher. So they have to prioritise, and that means things that could be done like allowing multiple players to fly in the same plane are less important than for example completing all the plane models. Since we know that not all the planes have cockpits, and some are sharing others cockpits (why this hasn't been done for all planes without cockpits I don't know), there are more important things to work on when it comes to supporting this title. Bear in mind they can't really sell something like that either, so from their point of view it would be best kept back as a selling point for the next game in the series, which will hopefully expand like the original series to cover the Pacific theatre.

Another point is that multiple players sharing the same plane is supposed to be something new to the series when Storm of War:Battle of Britain comes out, and I don't think Oleg Maddox wants the console spin-off from his series to beat his own progress to a feature.

[elneilios]

Not sure if anyone captured the whole listing from the Live Demo Q&A but you'll see in there that I asked about gunner position views and they confirmed that it will be Third-Person view only. So no inside view, sorry!

[Raw Kryptonite]

Ah, yeah that's it. I kept a copy.

7:30 elneilios84: is there a real first person view in gun turrets on bombers?
7:30 danneale: yes you can fly ME262 in MP
7:30 Spotter5: sweet!
7:30 RawKryptonite: re: Strike, so each team has to fill ___ (ex 2) bomber slots or something like that?
7:30 danneale: View for gun turrets is always 3rd person

They answered a lot of good questions. I'd suggest everyone read the transcript that someone posted that day.

[trk29]

Well now we know the answer. Thanks for posting that.