Flightstick Options

[Zensuji]

Hey guys...first post :D

If I want to go and buy a stick for the xbox 360. What's the best? to buy brand new in the shops.

[Raw Kryptonite]

The Aviator is your only option for new and easy to get. The Ace Edge isn't sold anymore other than extremely overpriced hoarders who may still have them. I think they're usually $200 on Amazon or Ebay. The Aviator is $$40-50.

[guiltyspark]

get an ace edge

[OntheCrab]

I have never seen an Ace Edge in any store, ever.

[guiltyspark]

I have never seen an Ace Edge in any store, ever.just get an ace edge

[versapak]

just get an ace edge

You mean Aviator?

[Ragged]

I have never seen an Ace Edge in any store, ever.

Hi, All first post.

I'm a veteran of Warbirds in the late 90s, and a true addict. In fact my internet ID was forever set by Warbirds as Ragged (like my flying). I welcome the potential arrival of a decent sim on a console and have ordered an xbox jsut to run it on.

Anyway on to sticks. The Edge is clearly based on the Saitex x36 stick plastics I have gathering dust on top of my wardrobe. Perhaps IL and Saitek could do a deal/bundle?

Ragged

[peterdegrotere]

and what to use for ps3?

[Zensuji]

Right so it seems the aviator is my only choice for a new purchase. I just have the feeling that something else is in the pipe line but I very much doubt this game will be pushing any hardware companies into making a new stick. Weird that MS dont have something out.

Anyway thanks for all the answers.

Does anyone here own the Aviator? Thoughts?


Oh right just saw this from anton

"Details about joysticks are planned to be released soon, as community update.
Until that - I am not allowed to provide information, sorry.
Publisher already had moved some community updates few times, due to unknown reasons. Should be in a week."

Looks like I'll be holding off.

[Roadie]

There is another answer from Anton found here: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=83841&postcount=9

That's wrong! There is no stick which will work for all systems!

Aviator for Xbox 360 & PC (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/av8rxboxv2.htm)

Aviator for Playstation 3 & PC (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/av8rps3v2.htm)


I think there is a good flight stick from Thrustmaster, which works with the PC and PS3 too:

T.Flightstick Hotas X (http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=149&PlatformID=12)


But we don't have a confirmation from Anton, whether these sticks will work with BoP. I would wait to buy one of these sticks, until we haven't got any affirmation.All console compatible joysticks currently available om market will work with BoP.

[Zensuji]

Cheers mate, I'll hold off a week and see what anton says. I really just want to invest in the best at this point.

[juz1]

the best will be ca $240+ U.S.


however the aviator will better suit if you're a lefty or have a joint bank account;)
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[xNikex]

Perhaps IL and Saitek could do a deal/bundle?

Ragged

Hi, welcome to the forum.

I hope for the same as well. I don't think getting a 'used' Ace Edge for $200+ isn't woth it. An IL2 themed flight stick would be neat, but since the publisher tried to get rid of them, it might not happen.

[Zensuji]

So due to Antons comments could there be potential for some well know PC ones to work on the 360?

[Roadie]

I think not, because there's the problem with the steering wheels too. In acc. to Thomas Jackermeier from Fanatec (company which makes steering wheels for PC, PS3 and XBox360), there's another electronic in it than for the PC compatible ones, which are in the majority of cases also compatible to the PS3. All wheels for the PC, instead of the new PWTS, aren't compatible with the XBox360, but a lot of them are compatible for the PS3 too. So it could be possible, that some FFB flight sticks for the PC are compatible for the PS3 too.

Die Elektronik vom PWTS ist quasi doppelt vorhanden. Beim Start des wheels muss man entscheiden ob man die Xbox360 Elektronik oder die PC/PS3 Elektronik bootet.

Deshalb ist das PWTS übrigens deutlich teurer als das GT3RS.Found here (http://www.gtrp.de/forums/showpost.php?p=1185885&postcount=224)

PWTS = Porsche Wheel Turbo S

He said (translated from german to english):
The electronics of the PWTS is doubled. At starting the wheel, you have to decide, whether starting the XBox360 electronics or the PC/PS3 electronics of the wheel. Therefore is the PWTS more expensive than the Fanatec Porsche GT3 RS Wheel.

Website for the wheels: www.fanatec.de (http://www.fanatec.de/)

[Zensuji]

Well what other sticks could Anton be talking about? If there's only 2 on the 360. Maybe there's one in the works? Cant see it myself for this game. Maybe its more for the PS3 guys :( oh well I'll grab a aviator if nothing comes of it

[Desode]

I want rudder pedals ! and Natal support for in cockpit view !
DESODE

[peterdegrotere]

anton said he will tell us soon what sticks to use or will be availeble(I hope0

[Zensuji]

anton said he will tell us soon what sticks to use or will be availeble(I hope0

Yeah....I'm not going to make any rash moves till all the info is out there :-P

[guiltyspark]

Well what other sticks could Anton be talking about? If there's only 2 on the 360. Maybe there's one in the works? Cant see it myself for this game. Maybe its more for the PS3 guys :( oh well I'll grab a aviator if nothing comes of it

buy a ******* ace edge bro

its not as hard to find as it looks

[versapak]

buy a ******* ace edge bro

its not as hard to find as it looks

Just keep in mind...

Though it is currently the best option on 360...


Most of the control options you see on the throttle side are dummies or duplicates.


Neither dial functions, there is little nub that is a duplicate d-pad, one of the switches on the thumb side is fake, another is a 3 way switch that toggles between Mic On-Off-On, and the index finger hat switch is all left stick click (regardless of the direction moved).


It's appearance definitely leads to believing that it is a much nicer controller than it actually is.




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[guiltyspark]

Just keep in mind...

Though it is currently the best option on 360...


Most of the control options you see on the throttle side are dummies or duplicates.


Neither dial functions, there is little nub that is a duplicate d-pad, one of the switches on the thumb side is fake, another is a 3 way switch that toggles between Mic On-Off-On, and the index finger hat switch is all left stick click (regardless of the direction moved).


It's appearance definitely leads to believing that it is a much nicer controller than it actually is.




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its for consoles , there would be no need to make the controller even more expensive

they are using the shell from saiteks old factory to produce them

the controller is GREAT for the consoles , but i agree MS should make a first party stick

[Buggins]

Just ordered this for PS3:

http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=94&PlatformID=12

I'll let you know how it is when it arrives. Anyone else have this stick?

[versapak]

its for consoles , there would be no need to make the controller even more expensive

they are using the shell from saiteks old factory to produce them

the controller is GREAT for the consoles , but i agree MS should make a first party stick

I wasn't saying otherwise.

I have had mine since the day it came out with AC6, and it is definitely the best option on 360 currently.

It is just that one should be aware that its appearance is deceiving in representing what you are actually getting. I was actually a little bummed the day I got it, and I realized that half of the controls on the throttle were fake, gimped, or duplicate.

I most certainly would have still bought it knowing all that. It is just one of those things... Especially if someone is going to pay those ridiculous inflated prices currently, they should know that what they see isn't exactly representing what they get.




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[hdcase]

Hey other than Ace Combat 6, HAWX and this, are there any other games that support the Ace Edge on the 360?

[guiltyspark]

Hey other than Ace Combat 6, HAWX and this, are there any other games that support the Ace Edge on the 360?

pretty sure any flight game will support it

its a xbox 360 controller with buttons re arranged to a joystick

[versapak]

pretty sure any flight game will support it

its a xbox 360 controller with buttons re arranged to a joystick


Nope. :(

Ace Combat, HAWX, and this are indeed the only ones that support it.

[guiltyspark]

Nope. :(

Ace Combat, HAWX, and this are indeed the only ones that support it.

over g fighters works with it

thats pretty much every flight game there is on 360

[versapak]

over g fighters works with it

thats pretty much every flight game there is on 360


Not really well.

It was made before MS made a flight stick standard, and as such is a bit unorthodox.


There are also the Blazing Angels games which do not work at all with the flight sticks.


AC6, HAWX, and IL-2 are the only post standards games, and they all do support it.

[Desode]

Nope. :(

Ace Combat, HAWX, and this are indeed the only ones that support it.

Now Now there are lots of arcade games that support it. I use it on most of them.
As I have posted before it also works really good on Raiden Aces.

DESODE

[peterdegrotere]

a game reviever sad:


any other console flight game, with the left thumbstick handling pitch and rolling, and the right one handling acceleration and yaw. You can zoom in and stabilise the camera with the Left Trigger, which helps enormously with the hyper-accurate aiming system, and keep track of your current objective via a helpfully pointy yellow arrow.

[Raw Kryptonite]

over g fighters works with it

thats pretty much every flight game there is on 360

Over G doesn't work correctly with flight sticks. The throttle won't work and the rudder is reversed. You have to use shoulder buttons to work the throttle.

[versapak]

Now Now there are lots of arcade games that support it. I use it on most of them.
As I have posted before it also works really good on Raiden Aces.

DESODE

I'm pretty sure that the question was about its use with flight games, which Raiden Aces isn't really. I can play Raiden Aces with my Rock Band drums also, but that hardly means it supports them.

[Steiner]

I'm pretty sure that the question was about its use with flight games, which Raiden Aces isn't really. I can play Raiden Aces with my Rock Band drums also, but that hardly means it supports them.

Which begs the question, ...:
Will I be able to play Birds of Prey with my Guitar Hero Gibson Les Paul wireless guitar controller?? :rolleyes:

[irrelevant]

Which begs the question, ...:
Will I be able to play Birds of Prey with my Guitar Hero Gibson Les Paul wireless guitar controller?? :rolleyes:

LMAO! Rock Band: Birds of Prey!

[haitch40]

Which begs the question, ...:
Will I be able to play Birds of Prey with my Guitar Hero Gibson Les Paul wireless guitar controller?? :rolleyes:

lol guitar on bop
strum strum strum strum strum bullet strum bullet strum strum bullet strum bullet bullet bullet bullet strum bullet ur dead

[Zensuji]

I saw Anton mention MS when talking about sticks in another post.......could there be a official MS stick on the way?

"We've worked directly with Saitek/Thrustmaster/MS to get all samples, and have done flightstick support on our own risk, to make sure the spirit of IL-2 will survive, and flighsim fans will be able to get pleasure from the game."

[Desode]

I'm pretty sure that the question was about its use with flight games, which Raiden Aces isn't really. I can play Raiden Aces with my Rock Band drums also, but that hardly means it supports them.

Ah I didn't realize that he meant just flight games. If you search around on the web there is actually a list some where that shows which games added in support for the stick. When I say supported I mean that the buttons and controls are on the stick the way they should be, I don't mean using some insane button on the stick to do something that makes it impossible to play.

You can tell a game has support if the buttons that work on a controller are different on the stick. Example : If you playing a game with a 360 controller and the right trigger is fire, then you plug in your ace edge and the A button is fire then that game has support for the stick put into it.

If you plug in your ace edge and the fire button is still on the right trigger then your just using the stick to try and play the game with a controller layout and there wasn't support added to the game for the stick.

Thats all I'm saying. You can tell when they made a seperate layout so you can use the stick and you can tell when you just get lucky and can use it.


DESODE

[guiltyspark]

I saw Anton mention MS when talking about sticks in another post.......could there be a official MS stick on the way?

"We've worked directly with Saitek/Thrustmaster/MS to get all samples, and have done flightstick support on our own risk, to make sure the spirit of IL-2 will survive, and flighsim fans will be able to get pleasure from the game."
this is a big possibility

[versapak]

Ah I didn't realize that he meant just flight games. If you search around on the web there is actually a list some where that shows which games added in support for the stick. When I say supported I mean that the buttons and controls are on the stick the way they should be, I don't mean using some insane button on the stick to do something that makes it impossible to play.

You can tell a game has support if the buttons that work on a controller are different on the stick. Example : If you playing a game with a 360 controller and the right trigger is fire, then you plug in your ace edge and the A button is fire then that game has support for the stick put into it.

If you plug in your ace edge and the fire button is still on the right trigger then your just using the stick to try and play the game with a controller layout and there wasn't support added to the game for the stick.

Thats all I'm saying. You can tell when they made a seperate layout so you can use the stick and you can tell when you just get lucky and can use it.


DESODE

I'd love to see this list. I'm a bit curious what other games have added support for it.

It'd seem a bit weird to me to play anything but a flight game with it though.

[Desode]

Well I used to use flightsticks to do all my gaming back when I was young and the Commodore C64 was the best 8bit gaming out there ! LOL Damn I'm old ! I still perfere it for any kind of scrolling shooter.
Desode

[versapak]

Well I used to use flightsticks to do all my gaming back when I was young and the Commodore C64 was the best 8bit gaming out there ! LOL Damn I'm old ! I still perfere it for any kind of scrolling shooter.
Desode


You used flight sticks or joysticks? They aren't necessarily the same thing.

I definitely prefer to use joysticks for games like Raiden Fighters, and many other games from back in the day, as well as with newer ones like N+ and Splosion Man.

The arcade sticks you now find pretty exclusively marketed for fighters on consoles are what were used most back in the day. Raiden Fighters specifically used that exact thing.

[Desode]

You used flight sticks or joysticks? They aren't necessarily the same thing.

I definitely prefer to use joysticks for games like Raiden Fighters, and many other games from back in the day, as well as with newer ones like N+ and Splosion Man.

The arcade sticks you now find pretty exclusively marketed for fighters on consoles are what were used most back in the day. Raiden Fighters specifically used that exact thing.

I had a couple small flightsticks that I used. I would say a flightstick because the stick was molded so your whole hand could use it and the fire button was on top for your thumb. Its different then a arcade stick.

http://atariace.com/nintendo/joysticks.php

The second one down (Quickshot) is the closest, to what I'm talking about.
I had a different model of that. It was actually called Quickshot II Flight stick.
I had a world record score on Gradius with it and I even had NES magazine post my score in there.

DESODE

[Zensuji]

this is a big possibility

Here's the thing though. This game however much we are looking forward to it wont be seen by MS as a huge hit (at this stage at least) so I cant believe they'd be launching an official stick off the back of it. Which leads me to believe it may be some of the current MS PC sticks supported.

[Zensuji]

Well I used to use flightsticks to do all my gaming back when I was young and the Commodore C64 was the best 8bit gaming out there ! LOL Damn I'm old ! I still perfere it for any kind of scrolling shooter.
Desode

Me too.....Well I had a spectrum +2 and a quickshot turbo!!!! woot

like this bad boy :D

http://www.cbmhardware.de/misc/joystick/39.jpg

[versapak]

I had a couple small flightsticks that I used. I would say a flightstick because the stick was molded so your whole hand could use it and the fire button was on top for your thumb. Its different then a arcade stick.

http://atariace.com/nintendo/joysticks.php

The second one down (Quickshot) is the closest, to what I'm talking about.
I had a different model of that. It was actually called Quickshot II Flight stick.
I had a world record score on Gradius with it and I even had NES magazine post my score in there.

DESODE

Yeah, that is definitely a flight stick. :)

Never had one for my Commodore 64. I had a ton of Atari 2600 controllers that I also used on my C64, which were definitely more akin to an arcade stick.

Especially with those simple control games of old though, there are so many options that work equally fine, and I suppose it most comes down to what you first learned on and became comfortable with.


I played most of those games like Gradius first in the arcades, and where I guess my affinity for arcade sticks with those types of games comes from my initial experiences with them, I have friends who first got those experiences on the NES that definitely prefer a d-pad.




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[versapak]

Here's the thing though. This game however much we are looking forward to it wont be seen by MS as a huge hit (at this stage at least) so I cant believe they'd be launching an official stick off the back of it. Which leads me to believe it may be some of the current MS PC sticks supported.

MS did make a standard for flight sticks on 360 though. If a game supports the Ace Edge, then it also supports the Saitek Aviator, and any other new flight stick that a company makes.

Having that standard makes it easy for a developer to support flight stick hardware, without having to depend on the user having a specific one.

[Desode]

Yeah, that is definitely a flight stick. :)

Never had one for my Commodore 64. I a ton of Atari 2600 controllers that I also used on my C64, which were definitely more akin to an arcade stick.

Especially with those simple control games of old though, there are so many options that work equally fine, and I suppose it all comes down to what you most learned on and became comfortable with.


I played most of those games like Gradius first in the arcades, and where I guess my affinity for arcade sticks and those types of games comes from my initial experiences with them, I have friends definitely prefer a d-pad.

Hey Versapak , I have been trying to get one of these
http://www.legacyengineer.com/store.html

Its a Atari usb for pc. They are just always sold out but they keep making new batches. I want one to use with some emulators. It would be great if you could use one on the 360 or the ps3 for arcade games.
DESODE

[versapak]

Hey Versapak , I have been trying to get one of these
http://www.legacyengineer.com/store.html

Its a Atari usb for pc. They are just always sold out but they keep making new batches. I want one to use with some emulators. It would be great if you could use one on the 360 or the ps3 for arcade games.
DESODE

That's cool.

I wish I still had any of my old Atari stuff.

I lost it all in a cross country move waaaaay back. :(


I bet it wouldn't be all that hard to strip the pcb from a cheap usb pad and stick it into the internals of an atari stick.

[FireFly]

~s~All, Check you bestbuy store's, I got acecombat 6 bundle today with ace-
Edge flight stick, the game, faceplate and movie for $70.00 bucks. For them
that are looking.