Any word from "Ubi" and E3?

[proton45]

I'm not trying to start anything here (you know what I mean_lol)...but I'm hoping that someone who is following the E3 announcements (more closely then I) could let us know if anything "interesting" is said their...

I understand that their was never an (unofficial) announcement made about "SoW" and E3, but hey...ya never know. It was indicated the Ubi might have a few surprises for attendees...


Have a nice morning y'all... :)

[ECV56_LeChuck]

If the first in game screenshots will come in September, I don´t think that SoW will be on E3

[Feuerfalke]

That's no reliable conclusion.

Almost all games announced by UBI so far on this years E3 have no screenshots or videos. For most games, they merely had (concept)arts and some WIP info.

[nearmiss]

E3 has a website. You can also view a list of exhibitors on the site.

http://e3insider.com/

http://e3expo.com/content/1146/exhibitor-list/

All the distributors of games will have upcoming releases at the E3 show.

Most have already released information on titles.

[proton45]

E3 has a website. You can also view a list of exhibitors on the site.

http://e3insider.com/

http://e3expo.com/content/1146/exhibitor-list/

All the distributors of games will have upcoming releases at the E3 show.

Most have already released information on titles.

Mmm, thanks...I'll check it out. I know its a bit of wishful thinking but I'm in a good mood today... :)

[Tree_UK]

According to Ubisoft in the UK, they are no longer involved with SOW.

[Tree_UK]

Just spoke to Jame's O'Reilly again at Ubisoft, he still claims Ubi have nothing to do with SOW. So definitely not at E3.

[Bobb4]

Just spoke to Jame's O'Reilly again at Ubisoft, he still claims Ubi have nothing to do with SOW. So definitely not at E3.

So who is James O'Reilly when he is at home?

[Tree_UK]

He is the group brand manager. Google him you will see what he does.

[Feuerfalke]

That's true. It's the same who didn't know about IL2 about 2 years ago according to SimHQ. If he says it, it must be true: There is no IL2.

[Tree_UK]

eh??

[Thunderbolt56]

That was sarcasm Tree.

[Tree_UK]

Ahhh... thanks mate, the one who knows all has moved on to sarcasm now, hes good at it though.

[Feuerfalke]

Well, besides all sarcasm:

Really, why didn't you ask him about IL2?


What about the Patch?


When is the full version 4.09 released?


What about the updated dlls?


UBISOFT surely sold IL2 up to 1946, so if he knows all about his products, releases and development states, he must be a well of information to a good and honest customer like you, Tree!

Maybe you can share this information with us?


Well, I guess we know his answers, don't we? So I leave it to you, if it's pure sarcasm or if there is a solid basement to it.

[Tree_UK]

Feuerfalke, we all know that you have to have an opinion on everything, but so far very little of the shite you spout from your television sized head is actual fact. Now then, if you care to speak to James O'Reilly yourself then you can here is the number +44 (0)1932 578 000, he his only too willing to help, he even tried to find out who was the publisher for SOW but drew a blank.
So, when you have spoken to Mr O'Reilly you can come back here and apologize to me via pm or on open forum for effectively calling me liar.
So that is the challenge for you Feuerfalke, you have the chance to finally find out some actual facts. All your future posts in this thread are worthless and futile until you phone the above number and find out for yourself. I await your post with anticipation, which is a first for me.

[Fossil-Goz]

Feuerfalke, we all know that you have to have an opinion on everything, but so far very little of the shite you spout from your television sized head is actual fact. Now then, if you care to speak to James O'Reilly yourself then you can here is the number +44 (0)1932 578 000, he his only too willing to help, he even tried to find out who was the publisher for SOW but drew a blank.
So, when you have spoken to Mr O'Reilly you can come back here and apologize to me via pm or on open forum for effectively calling me liar.
So that is the challenge for you Feuerfalke, you have the chance to finally find out some actual facts. All your future posts in this thread are worthless and futile until you phone the above number and find out for yourself. I await your post with anticipation, which is a first for me.

I forsee a member of UBI staff requesting a new phone number about ..... NOW!

[Feuerfalke]

Feuerfalke, we all know that you have to have an opinion on everything, but so far very little of the shite you spout from your television sized head is actual fact. Now then, if you care to speak to James O'Reilly yourself then you can here is the number +44 (0)1932 578 000, he his only too willing to help, he even tried to find out who was the publisher for SOW but drew a blank.
So, when you have spoken to Mr O'Reilly you can come back here and apologize to me via pm or on open forum for effectively calling me liar.
So that is the challenge for you Feuerfalke, you have the chance to finally find out some actual facts. All your future posts in this thread are worthless and futile until you phone the above number and find out for yourself. I await your post with anticipation, which is a first for me.

As always you want to take my statements as a personal attack on your person. You should read my statement instead of boiling up just because I replied to a thread you are participating in.


I just asked, if you asked him about IL2, too? If not, why didn't you?


And only here comes my personal opinion into the play:
Because you know as well as we do, that he wouldn't tell you about the patch and the updated dlls, because he simply doesn't know, at least not for sure or he simply doesn't want to tell you or he isn't in the position to do so.


So, the one thing in my statement that really CAN be regarded as a critics:

If you quote him like:
Just spoke to Jame's O'Reilly again at Ubisoft, he still claims Ubi have nothing to do with SOW.

you should also realize that what the Marketing Manager UK, specialized on consoles (esp. x-box and ps-products), told you is not even an indication of what he knows about an unannounced title, what he wants to tell you about an unannounced title and what he is allowed to tell you about an unannounced title.
Not even mentioning the fact that a developer in Russia probably does not make his development-negotiations with the regional office in the UK. ;)

[Tree_UK]

Of course i did not ask him about IL2, why would I?? This thread is about Ubi, SOW and E3.

[Bobb4]

I suggest both of you get over to SimHQ and check out the teams report on E3.
Look at the set-up they have in their hotel room and ask yourself this...
If SOW was cancelled those bunch of uber nerds would have spilled the beans a long time ago...
Read their qoute about asking a Ubisoft official about what they will get to see regarding new games and you will understand why no-one takes a work ubisoft sprouts seriously.

Okay back on topic. The game will not come out this year and it is in a niche market so it is unlikely to be advertised using big Ubi bucks just yet.
What the herd of nerds at simhq do say is they will be giving feedback on two flight sims from E3.
My guess is the one is ROF and the other is most likely the add-on for Black Shark (A110C) but may just be SOW

[Tree_UK]

Bobb, no one is suggesting that SOW is canceled, Ubi UK are saying that they have no involement with it anymore and haven't for some time. Anyhow i have had a phone call from Phil Brannelly at Ubisoft this morning, I have asked him many questions some of which he has answered, he said he will get back to me later today to give me a definitive list of events.

[Feuerfalke]

Of course i did not ask him about IL2, why would I?? This thread is about Ubi, SOW and E3.

Huh? :confused:

You talked to him about this thread? I though you asked him about Oleg products and releases?


@Bobb4
Oleg confirmed it's not canceled. The original question was, if UBI announced SoW as one of the upcoming titles as they did with other games that are planned to be released until december 09.


The fact they didn't, says little to nothing about SoW or UBI in any regard, pro or con, as well as O'Reilly reported statements didn't say anything really, other than his personal statement that to his knowledge UBI is no longer involved. Infact it's not even a surprise, considering most of us expect a release long after december 09.

As before, I stick with what Oleg posted here and on SimHQ:
Ingame shots and scenes will be shown when he decides to show them.
The game will be announced when it is ready to be announced.
The game will be released when it is ready to be released.
The game started development under contract with UBI.

If it's UBI, EA or Santa himself who will publish this game in the West, is pretty much irrelevant to me and considering marketing and legal procedures, I bet just Oleg and a few guys at the publishers know about whos and whens.

And even if you'd get to speak to the right person, why should somebody say something so far kept secret, just because somebody makes a call?

Well, we'll see if any news will be released with this next call, but to be honest I don't give a damn until it's official and we'll see some producers label on the website or packshot.

[Tree_UK]

Ok, just had another phone call from Phil Brannelly he has confirmed what most of us already knew, Ubisoft are no longer involved with SOW period, Phil said that he has asked questions has to who is the new publisher and he has been told that it is 505, who are also publishing BOP. He also asked me to please post this in appropriate forums so people do not pre-order products advertised has having a link to Ubi. He also said he will look into Ubisoft making an official statement dissociating themselves with Maddox games on this title. If you wish to speak to Phil direct you can on this number 01932578000 press 0 for reception and then ask for Phil Brannelly, he is a very helpful guy and will answer all your questions. He didn't have great things to say about Oleg but that's another story.

[Tree_UK]

Huh? :confused:

You talked to him about this thread? I though you asked him about Oleg products and releases?

I talked to him regarding their involvement with SOW, which we now know is nil.

[Bobb4]

Ok, just had another phone call from Phil Brannelly he has confirmed what most of us already knew, Ubisoft are no longer involved with SOW period, Phil said that he has asked questions has to who is the new publisher and he has been told that it is 505, who are also publishing BOP. He also asked me to please post this in appropriate forums so people do not pre-order products advertised has having a link to Ubi. He also said he will look into Ubisoft making an official statement dissociating themselves with Maddox games on this title. If you wish to speak to Phil direct you can on this number 01932578000 press 0 for reception and then ask for Phil Brannelly, he is a very helpful guy and will answer all your questions. He didn't have great things to say about Oleg but that's another story.
That might explain the whole name change hints from Oleg... Ubisoft would have registered the name, as they are no longer publishers it might be held for something else.
It would be great if Oleg just came out and said it rather than all the cloak and dagger

[Baron]

That might explain the whole name change hints from Oleg... Ubisoft would have registered the name, as they are no longer publishers it might be held for something else.
It would be great if Oleg just came out and said it rather than all the cloak and dagger


Shhhhh, everything Oleg does has a purpose and deeper meaning dont u know. We just dont/wont know about it...ever.



My bet is: he so f:ed up from work he can`t keep his head screwed on strait long enough to remember whats what. (like me for the last 6 months or so)

Heres hoping he will return to the land of the living soon (with some real news for a change)

[Chivas]

If its true that UBI is no longer involved with SOW, then Lawyers could be involved. Which could be one of the reasons we have heard very little from the developer or (x)publisher.

[Tree_UK]

James O'Reilly told me last year that Ubi were not involved, i posted the news here but got flamed for it as per usual. Phil, has gone into a lot more detail most of which i will not post here, only to say that according to Phil, Ubisoft are not at all happy with Oleg. This also explains why the website we were promised in December never appeared, Ubisoft own all the domain names to SOW, something which Phil found very amusing.
You may ask why have Phil and James given me so much info, well for a start i am fairly well connected due to my past work in the music industry and also my new business. However if some of you doubt what i have posted then please feel free to call any of these guys, but please note that James is currently at E3, but Phil is still in the UK.

[Bobb4]

James O'Reilly told me last year that Ubi were not involved, i posted the news here but got flamed for it as per usual. Phil, has gone into a lot more detail most of which i will not post here, only to say that according to Phil, Ubisoft are not at all happy with Oleg. This also explains why the website we were promised in December never appeared, Ubisoft own all the domain names to SOW, something which Phil found very amusing.
You may ask why have Phil and James given me so much info, well for a start i am fairly well connected due to my past work in the music industry and also my new business. However if some of you doubt what i have posted then please feel free to call any of these guys, but please note that James is currently at E3, but Phil is still in the UK.

Doubt they could register Battle of Britain or BoB so my guess is it will just start with a different title like Maddox Games - Battle of Britain but that is to cheesy???? It would have to be catchy like The Fighter Collection - Battle of Britain?
Ideas guys?
We need ideas.
Ps the other sim, Simhq were reffering to was Birds of Prey.
Uibisoft have a habit of dumping titles that fall way behind, look at the whole harpoon 4 fiasco!

Still begs the question, why is he so active over at simhq and not at this site? Has 1C abandoned the project as well?

[proton45]

James O'Reilly told me last year that Ubi were not involved, i posted the news here but got flamed for it as per usual. Phil, has gone into a lot more detail most of which i will not post here, only to say that according to Phil, Ubisoft are not at all happy with Oleg. This also explains why the website we were promised in December never appeared, Ubisoft own all the domain names to SOW, something which Phil found very amusing.
You may ask why have Phil and James given me so much info, well for a start i am fairly well connected due to my past work in the music industry and also my new business. However if some of you doubt what i have posted then please feel free to call any of these guys, but please note that James is currently at E3, but Phil is still in the UK.

Hey, if that was true then that would be kind'a interesting... But, I'm never quite sure if your serious or trying to be provocative. I have seen you lure others into your flame threads of despair.

On the topic of the name, "Storm of War"...I'm not sure that this was ever the official name for the game. I remember a post that Oleg left at the "Zoo" (quite some time ago) when he proposed a possible contest for the "Best game title" for the new series. That would indicate to me that he had reservations about using that name from the beginning. I think he posted that message around the time that the "IL2 1946" DVD came out...

[KG26_Alpha]

The lawyers were involved a while back with IL2 Pacific fighters debacle, word was UBIsoft bailed out 1c Team financially with pay off's to the suing companies (Grunman law suits), this is probably the reason for "Ill feeling" with the respective companies.

To be honest I don't see what all this digging around achieves, it simply creates more speculation.

@ Tree what's the name of your "music" company ?

[Tree_UK]

For Proton, simple answer, use the phone number provided and then report back.


For Alpha, your right, the digging around proves nothing, But some people here are still convinced Ubisoft are involved, sometimes you have to go these measures to show otherwise.

I dont have a music company, i was a professional drummer signed to a label back in the nineties. I now have a Computer company that builds custom overclocked PC's.

[Bobb4]

To be honest I don't see what all this digging around achieves, it simply creates more speculation.



It fills an otherwise boring day at work with speculative and at times highly informed opinion.
I greatly enjoy the great Raconteurs like Fuerfaulke debating the issue of the day.
Lets face it unlike other new game forums this one is filled with a wealth of absolutely nothing other than the odd in viewer screenshot and the high pitched whine of the fan-boys in defence mode.
I firmly believe the game formerly known as SOW BoB is far closer to finished than Oleg says and that the lawyer game is one of the main reasons we have seen nothing.
But until then I pop in every day or so just to hear the roar of nothingness.

[KG26_Alpha]

For Alpha, your right, the digging around proves nothing, But some people here are still convinced Ubisoft are involved, sometimes you have to go these measures to show otherwise.

.

Well those that were around when the Pacific Fighters & Grunman issue was at it hight would have had a clue maybe 1c & Ubi weren't getting along, and knew they wouldn't be in on this project.

Also

I only hope the "distro" is done right this time and a global release date is implemented and the software is not delayed.

Last few releases have had piracy come along to fill the gaps, the Hyperlobby was full of people asking for torrent downloads, the Europeans release date was weeks ahead of the US/CAN this encouraged many to download the game and get back flying again on the same version as everyone else. (Im not accusing any US/CAN fliers of piracy :) there were some who had the game sent to them from squad mates etc )

Once this trend sets in it becomes habitual and some are brazen enough to admit to never buying a single IL2 series disc.

So I don't care who is distributing it so long as its done globally to maximize Olegs profits for the work he done with 1c Team :)

It would be a good idea that they release a demo for the new title.

This will silence the pirates who like to "try before I buy" and give an indication of system specs etc etc.

[Feuerfalke]

James O'Reilly told me last year that Ubi were not involved, i posted the news here but got flamed for it as per usual. Phil, has gone into a lot more detail most of which i will not post here, only to say that according to Phil, Ubisoft are not at all happy with Oleg. This also explains why the website we were promised in December never appeared, ....

Really? Because UBI is p*ssed by Oleg, they don't launch the website? That doesn't explain it to me, honestly.

To me, it's much more reasonable, that there is no website because there is nothing to show or say definitely about a game that is most likely to be released in more than 12 months ahead.

You may ask why have Phil and James given me so much info, well for a start i am fairly well connected due to my past work in the music industry and also my new business. However if some of you doubt what i have posted then please feel free to call any of these guys, but please note that James is currently at E3, but Phil is still in the UK.

I don't doubt at all about what you posted about the phonecall, but I have doubts that it's the full and only truth and I doubt the conclusions you are drawing from it. That's all. There is no official information on that, neither from UBI nor from Oleg. If they are no longer involved, why would it be such a top-secret stuff he told you? Why not share the details with us? It's really an invitation to doubt.

And I most honestly doubt, that it will make any difference, anyway.
Infact, if Oleg has no longer a contract with UBI (e.g. because the contract was only about the old engine - one more reason why they switched to a new one?), he's probably even more cautious releasing information about game-contents, release-details and ingame-shots.

So, if the background of what you say is true, Tree, that would be an overwhelming reason to stop bashing Oleg and demanding updates. ;)

[proton45]

For Proton, simple answer, use the phone number provided and then report back.


For Alpha, your right, the digging around proves nothing, But some people here are still convinced Ubisoft are involved, sometimes you have to go these measures to show otherwise.

I dont have a music company, i was a professional drummer signed to a label back in the nineties. I now have a Computer company that builds custom overclocked PC's.

I'm not really sure that anyone here was "convinced" that Oleg was in bed with Ubi...I think it was more of an assumption based on a lack of information.

So Tree, what band where you involved with? I did a bit of touring myself, back in the good old days (had a couple of releases too).

[simace]

Life

It's what's going on around you..... 24 hours a day, 7 days a week non-stop.

Get out and enjoy it. The sim just might be here when you get back....

:)

[Tree_UK]

Feuerfalke, Ubi own the domain name for SOW that's why Oleg cannot have an SOW website unless he changes the name. Also if there was nothing to show on the website why would 1C/ Oleg tell us that a dedicated SOW website would be finished by December 2008? Was it just a blatant lie on their part??

I personally have not drawn any conclusions from my conversation(s), i have only reported what was said. This is certainly no major news scoop, nothing that was said to me was 'top secret', you are all welcome to call Ubi and have a discussion and will be given the same info, i just happened to have a connection that gave me the right names to speak to, nothing more than that.


Proton45, I was in a band called The Beekeepers, we were signed to Beggars Banquet, what about yourself?

[KG26_Alpha]

Tree UK

If you are so concerned why mess around with the middle men.

CALL OLEG :)

Please put an end to this tittle tattle of calling UBI poking here and there............. you wont get any conclusion to anything.

"SIGH"

[Tree_UK]

Alpha, I am not concerned or looking for any conclusions, i answered a thread started by proton who asked if we thought Ubi would be showing anything of SOW at E3. I am not trying to make a point, or claiming anything is vapourware, i am merely repeating what i have been told. So please stop getting upset, if i could call Oleg i would though i doubt he would give me any straight answers and even if he did you lot would not believe them.

[Theshark888]

What's all the comotion about, wasn't it common knowledge that Ubi was not producing SoW from about a year ago??

[proton45]

Proton45, I was in a band called The Beekeepers, we were signed to Beggars Banquet, what about yourself?



I sang (if u can call it that_lol) for a band called "Gobblehoof"...I also sang (before GH) for a band called "Deep Wound". We toured the "states" from 89 til 95 (or 96). I think we where in Europe in 94... I'm now working on another project, but its more low key.

[Tree_UK]

Ahhh right so you are Charlie right? Was there a connection between your band and Dinosaur Jr? Dinosaur JR are playing in my home town newt week, they are only doing 2 shows in the UK, London and Derby, so i have been told.

[Tree_UK]

What's all the comotion about, wasn't it common knowledge that Ubi was not producing SoW from about a year ago??

Well i thought it was......

[Chivas]

It was never confirmed that SOW was not being published by UBI. I believe the IC company had found a western publisher, distributer for its games who's name escapes me. It was believed at that time that SOW wasn't included in that contract and still under contract to UBI.

"One" of the logical conclusions I've drawn over the years for delays amongst many others, are the news dampening effects of Lawyers and Lawsuits. If UBI is no longer involved in the publishing of SOW it has to be compensated for the years it has funded the project. How much money will SOW make over the next 10 to 15 years and what percentage of those profits does UBI deserve. Its a very hard number to come up with, which brings Lawyer promantly to the forefront.

[proton45]

Ahhh right so you are Charlie right? Was there a connection between your band and Dinosaur Jr? Dinosaur JR are playing in my home town newt week, they are only doing 2 shows in the UK, London and Derby, so i have been told.

Ya, I played in a couple bands with J, and Lou Barlow (we all started in DW)...Murph is also an old friend (was helping him tonight with his new computer...he is taking on tour tomorrow).

[Tree_UK]

Ya, I played in a couple bands with J, and Lou Barlow (we all started in DW)...Murph is also an old friend (was helping him tonight with his new computer...he is taking on tour tomorrow).

Jeez, what a small world.

[Ctrl E]

Ya, I played in a couple bands with J, and Lou Barlow (we all started in DW)...Murph is also an old friend (was helping him tonight with his new computer...he is taking on tour tomorrow).

this is funny. Feuerfalke will reveal himselto be thurston moore next.:)

[Thunderbolt56]

this is funny. Feuerfalke will reveal himselto be thurston moore next.:)



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