Oleg interview up

[danjama]

Now stop moaning.

http://www.simhq.com/_air11/air_341a.html

[Skoshi Tiger]

Quite a read, but Oleg is still keeping his cards close to his chest.

My first reaction from reading the interview, was "I want to know more!!!! Damn it!!!!!". (not a good way to express your thanks for the interview I know! Un-grateful bunch us flight simmers are I know!)

At least I know I've got a while to improve my flying/combat skills before SOW comes out!

Hopefully with the interview out of the way we could hope for some more development shots?????????

[Robert]

Seems to me Oleg is incorporating features that will make many happy. From 3rd party development to a mod friendly engine, this could spell a huge growth potential for us hobbyists within this game. Imagine some of the talent employed by the modders to improve and expand on BoB.

I hope (and I think we will) we get to see some high quality 3rd party developments from the likes of those who worked with MSFS.

I REALLY like how he thinks regarding DRM. Hopefully the publisher will see it the same way.

While I'd have liked to see something different, like a clip, I'm satisfied with what Oleg presented and am enthused for the upcoming release.

[virre89]

Can't really say that the interview revealed anything we didn't know.
Sure some minor things but the Storm of War part was rather limited of content..

2010 it is then, RoF until then :)

[Tree_UK]

Yeah, nothing really new apart from a couple of pictures and another indication of a release date. Feuerfalke can eat his own shorts now, so its not all bad!! :grin: It seems a long time ago that i was being flamed and mocked for suggesting a March 2010 release date, purely going on how bad Oleg's previous release date indications have been (September 2009, being one) I now predict a 2011 release. Any short eating bets welcome.

[SlipBall]

Can't really say that the interview revealed anything we didn't know.
Sure some minor things but the Storm of War part was rather limited of content..

2010 it is then, RoF until then :)



The 17 aircraft was a surprise to me

[6S.Manu]

He says it's at 80% :)

[Codex]

now stop moaning.l (http://www.simhq.com/_air11/air_341a.html)

rofl

[Bobb4]

My guess at planes that may make the cut include the Beaufighter, Westland Whirlwind and Defiant?

Or maybe a few civilian planes to attract the MS crowd? They may even be non-historical... A Boeing 747 maybe just to show the MS crowd what the engine is capable.

I for one was rather please with the update. Far more information was released than at first glance. I think some of the people who feel it is the same old stuff revamped missed a lot.
Here is just a few interesting tit-bits

"At least one flak gun type for each side. Yes, they’ll be stationary for now. Although the Storm of War engine does support moving ground objects controllable by the player."

Players driving tanks?

"There will be people. There is skeletal animation."

Troops on the ground

"We’ll have over a hundred different human models, and possibly up to 190, depending on how much we can do before we go gold."

Aircrew and groundstaff

"The main content is ready now. 10% of the content — such as the ships and some of the ground objects on the airfields — are all that is left to be done"

Add to that his claim that 80% is done - means the engine is 10% from complete

[Codex]

I'm rather looking forward to the 3rd party development side of the engine. Some real potential there.

[rakinroll]

Playable AA guns! :eek: HORRIDO!!! :grin::grin::grin:

[Bobb4]

Playable AA guns! :eek: HORRIDO!!! :grin::grin::grin:

I was think more towing bombers onto the airstrip. Driving crew to planes. Driving bombload out to planes and then loading the planes. refueling etc...
Possibility is endless.
Obviously it reopens the whole would it be possible to restructure ww2online to fit into the storm of war model. My guess is yes or at least maybe.
All Oleg has to say now is that the sea - water has a depth model and we are away.
Imagine a full scale air battle with a fully fledged land and sea battle add-on
The perfect dream

[GF_Mastiff]

I was think more towing bombers onto the airstrip. Driving crew to planes. Driving bombload out to planes and then loading the planes. refueling etc...
Possibility is endless.
Obviously it reopens the whole would it be possible to restructure ww2online to fit into the storm of war model. My guess is yes or at least maybe.
All Oleg has to say now is that the sea - water has a depth model and we are away.
Imagine a full scale air battle with a fully fledged land and sea battle add-on
The perfect dream

Better have a 24 cor dou intell E110000K and 12 Xfire SLI video system for that.

[zapatista]

It seems a long time ago that i was being flamed and mocked for suggesting a March 2010 release date, purely going on how bad Oleg's previous release date indications have been (September 2009, being one) I now predict a 2011 release. Any short eating bets welcome.

i read the simhq interview as giving a likely late 2009 release date, 90% of the game is done and they are now working on the dynamic campaign and other issues

you might want to do a cooking class in the next few months, we'll be expecting you to use a webcam during your meal :)

[Tree_UK]

i read the simhq interview as giving a likely late 2009 release date, 90% of the game is done and they are now working on the dynamic campaign and other issues

you might want to do a cooking class in the next few months, we'll be expecting you to use a webcam during your meal :)

How the hell do you get a late 2009 release date from that interview, I admire your contorted optimism but even Oleg indicates in the interview that it will be released in late 2010 and his indications are flaky at best!!

[furbs]

thanks guod for the interview ...im sure you did your best.

as for what we got...1 new pic of a fort and a couple of pics of some men that are from another game...yes he said this and that about what we might, could or will get.
as for SOW we are at LEAST a year away i think.

dissapointed with oleg but cheers guod.

[Feuerfalke]

How the hell do you get a late 2009 release date from that interview, I admire your contorted optimism but even Oleg indicates in the interview that it will be released in late 2010 and his indications are flaky at best!!

You should really learn to read the things you quote, Tree.

He wrote:
Oleg: Yes, it is our general plan. Maybe it will arrive earlier. I can't say right now the exact date. But by October 2010 (if not before) Storm of War: Battle of Britain should have many thousands of users.

That does not mean it will be released in October2010, but that the aim is to have sold many thousand copies until then or even earlier.

Now, if SoW will make it for a 2009-release, that is a totally different question!


@ Bobb4
"The main content is ready now. 10% of the content — such as the ships and some of the ground objects on the airfields — are all that is left to be done"

Add to that his claim that 80% is done - means the engine is 10% from complete

Yes, the same way as a flyable 109 and a 190 make up for 299 flyables. :rolleyes:

[JG52Uther]

I'm quite excited again now.
And Olegs English has certainly improved! ;)

[Tree_UK]

Well the last time Oleg indicated to us a release date he said September 2009, This time he said its by October 2010 and Maybe before, i repeat how any one can get a 2009 release date from that is insane. It must be a language thing but for me October is late 2010. No need to re-read what i quoted.

[Igo kyu]

How long ago was that 60% complete remark? If it's 80% complete now, that means it might be approximately the same time from now to completion as it has been from 60% to now.

[Foo'bar]

thanks guod for the interview ...im sure you did your best.

as for what we got...1 new pic of a fort and a couple of pics of some men that are from another game...yes he said this and that about what we might, could or will get.
as for SOW we are at LEAST a year away i think.

dissapointed with oleg but cheers guod.

I've got a deya vu (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2727493/Re_Official_Comments_on_the_In.html#Post2727493)

[Feuerfalke]

I'm quite excited again now.
And Olegs English has certainly improved! ;)

doug posted on SimHQ he polished the interview and then had to send it back to Oleg to confirm that the polished version got the facts right. So, I don't know how much of that is original Olegish.

@ Igo kyu:
Oleg indicated that it would go much faster after the engine was ready. Now it's just some effects and the rest put together, I guess it's picking up pace even more. I doubt it will take another full 18 month from now, if everything goes as planned.
BTW: UBI announced some great titles to be announced during this years E3. Who knows, maybe we get official news soon?

@ Tree:
I'm really sorry for you. Your glass is always half-empty it seems.
Be happy being angry/disappointed - your decision

[Foo'bar]

Well the last time Oleg indicated to us a release date he said September 2009,(...)

Where and when, please? He never did.

[Feuerfalke]

Where and when, please? He never did.

Quote Tree_UK:
No need to re-read what i quoted.

:grin:

[HFC_Dolphin]

Come on guys, don't bother - it is obvious that Oleg won't commit himself to any release date.

His reply could mean tomorrow, October 2010, May 2010, October 2018 or whatever else you can think of. He just didn't clearly reply. Another estimation among others he made.

That's fine with me, but we should not give it more credit than what it worths.

The interview did not reveal anything at all (and whatever new we saw, it's just 0,00000001% of what's going on in the game - nothing really interesting). There was no new clear answer cause obviously the game is still far from the release and Oleg doesn't want to open his cards yet. Completely understandable to anyone who has ran a project, so let's respect this and move along.

PS. In any case, thanks to Guod and SimHQ for their effort!!!

[Skarphol]

I agree that it wasn't much news in that interview, but I feel assured that the project is moving along, even though the PR-department of 1C must be the worst ever.

The 80% finished thing is a litle bit scary, as it often takes about the same ammount of time to get things 95% finished as it takes to get the last 5% done.

As I interpret the interview, Oleg has a strong beleife in that it will be out around mid 2010. Time will tell.

What shall we now rant about? There are no promised updates we can whine about for not beeing released!

Skarphol

[Bobb4]

@ Bobb4


Yes, the same way as a flyable 109 and a 190 make up for 299 flyables. :rolleyes:

You leave my Porked ME/FW 299 alone! Those 50 Cal's rock

[Blackdog_kt]

They are not making a flight sim guys, they are making an engine that will support add on modules and their creation with a suitable level of realism. The whole BoB part is the sidekick for now, the big news is the engine that will allow it to expand really fast once people come to grips with it. If 3rd party developers come into it, heck i don't mind if they are payware, we might be getting 1-2 theaters per year based on this...Vietnam, Falklands, the list is endless if the engine is good enough and as open as they say it is.

It's one thing to have 10 planes in a historical context and have them interact with each other, but it's quite another thing to give the community tools to integrate new stuff in the sim, like map making tools and flight model tools, while at the same time preserving the high fidelity of it all.

Imagine a wind tunnel tool where you can import a 3d Model of your newly created flyable that was missing from the sim. You also input the engine and wheight data and press "calculate FM". After 2-3 hours running tests on a suitably fast quad core you have the flight model for that missing aircraft. Then you submit it to them for quality testing and adding a damage model. Or maybe there's another tool where you can mark areas of the airframe according to their material and it runs some engineering and virtual stress tests to calculate it. This is still a fantasy, but things are moving that way and Oleg's team is the one that's on the spearhead of such developments.

That's why it takes so long, this is not simply a flight sim. It's a flight sim software development kit/operating system with an included module as a bonus.

[Tree_UK]

Where and when, please? He never did.

Oh dear, you and Feurefalke have memories like goldfish, yet your so quick to jump on people, ok let me help you boys a little.

Remember this, systems specs in May, late summer release 2009.

http://www.theghostfiles.org/

Olegs response when asked if he had talked to the guy was this,

"Yes, he was spoken to me. However I told that it is my hope, if everything will going Ok without any serious development technical problems"

and finally Oleg posts this on the 31/12/2008,


Hi!

Happy New Year!

And personally for me I wish myself to finish BoB in new Year!



Almost finished:

He was a little optimistic with the almost finished bit. :grin::grin:

....and Feurefalke i am not angry or disappointed i am just being realistic.


Note, i will be accepting your apologies either in forum or by pm.

[Feathered_IV]

Interesting that he has recruited people from the Il-2 modding community to work on SoW. They'll probably get stuck with that SaSqN fellow as their project manager. Just to punish them.

[Tree_UK]

Interesting that he has recruited people from the Il-2 modding community to work on SoW. They'll probably get stuck with that SaSqN fellow as their project manager. Just to punish them.

:grin::grin::grin:. that's very good.

[virre89]

Well the last time Oleg indicated to us a release date he said September 2009, This time he said its by October 2010 and Maybe before, i repeat how any one can get a 2009 release date from that is insane. It must be a language thing but for me October is late 2010. No need to re-read what i quoted.

This is duke nukem forever 2.0 don't expect a release anytime soon.
"When its done"

[Baron]

Nothing new, old rehash of questions beeing asked and awnsered a gazillion times before.

What can i do about it?, nada, so ill move along to better things. ;)


P.S. Anyone getting "maby late 2009 release" from that intervew need to reread it once or twice ;)


Personally though, i would prefere complete and total blackout untill 3 months before release instead of this lolying about with "hope this", "maby that" yada yada. Its getting on my nerves really.

[lbuchele]

Well, I´m not worried about the date of release.
As long Oleg aproaches from ending the work, the release date becomes more and more clear.
So, if he now says that something about mid 2010-october 2010 will be the release date , we have to believe this time, guys.
Just because the margin for error is shorter this time,Tree.
18 months is a good time for us to be able to buy more powerful CPU and GPU in affordable prices (Nvidia will launch GT 300 later this year for example)
Beacause we don´t want to play a beauty like that at 8 fps , that´s for sure.
Il2 was playable with the harware of 2001, but I remember that I used to play at 800x600 at the time, and as long my screen goes up, my resolution is now 1680 x1050 now, and I´m probably starts to playing SOW at 1920x1200.
That´s probably will demands a lot.
So, let´s calm down, 12-18 months will pass in a hurry.

[nearmiss]

The recent postings in this thread are funny.

The only thing that is going to make people happy is when SOW is on the retailer shelves.

Oleg made an effort, give him credit for that.

[Novotny]

Well, I'm delighted to have some sort of confirmation that things are still moving along.

[Robert]

Personally though, i would prefere complete and total blackout untill 3 months before release instead of this lolying about with "hope this", "maby that" yada yada. Its getting on my nerves really.


Well for the most part that is kind of what we have. No big deal to me as I know the work is progressing. It's just a few who like to make a stink that Oleg said this and Oleg said that and get all hissy fitted by no new news.

[Robert]

The recent postings in this thread are funny.

The only thing that is going to make people happy is when SOW is on the retailer shelves.

Oleg made an effort, give him credit for that.

You know better than that, nearmiss. Then the REAL whining starts. This is the on deck circle of whining.

[rakinroll]

I'm quite excited again now.
And Olegs English has certainly improved! ;)
:lol::lol::lol:

[Tree_UK]

Well for the most part that is kind of what we have. No big deal to me as I know the work is progressing. It's just a few who like to make a stink that Oleg said this and Oleg said that and get all hissy fitted by no new news.

Well i have dared to ask questions about what Oleg has previously stated, and I have subsequently been flamed for it by many on these forums, you see i don't think its whining or making a stink to remind someone of a previous statement or comment they have made, some of you guys obviously do, but in truth its you guys who get all upset about it rather than me. If you are suggesting in future we take anything Oleg says has being unreliable and asks no questions then i am happy to oblige you. Just let me know.

[Insuber]

Well,

If 50% is true, we'll get the greatest software of all times after Lotus 1-2-3.

Regards,
Insuber

[Tree_UK]

Another perspective of the recent interview. Now please don't shoot the messenger.

http://www.freewebs.com/heinkill/

I did find the release of Storm of War counter quite funny.

[danjama]

Negative bunch over here aint ya.

[furbs]

negative??....me?...no way...ive waited 5 months for this update from shy sensitive Oleg to see something new from his masterpiece SOW and i got just what i wanted!!!!

a picture of a british fort with crap grass...brilliant! :roll:

[Blackdog_kt]

You know better than that, nearmiss. Then the REAL whining starts. This is the on deck circle of whining.

Are you saying we'll get Boom and Zoom whiners that will appear a few weeks after release? :-P

[nearmiss]

You know better than that, nearmiss. Then the REAL whining starts. This is the on deck circle of whining.

Can't argue with that:roll:

[nearmiss]

While I think appropriate questions were asked in the interview, I am not sure that we have anything new here. "Progress is being made". Yawn.

The fact is that we have not seen one single officially released within-game-engine screenshot or video from this project.

None of the screenshots that we have ever seen have been from within the game engine. All the screenshots have been within an asset viewer which may or may not represent the final quality of the graphics in the game engine. Be that as it may, we have no screenshots from within the game engine.

As to the video, we have video from years ago showing what I think you best be characterized as something pre-alpha. Heck, I think we had supposed SOW video included with the IL2-1946 DVD which was at least 2 years ago. More recent video we have seen of cockpit interiors with controls moving is also not within the game engine.

So we have effectively have no in-game video as the engine must have changed substantially in the intervening time, and we have had no in-game screenshots. These are the facts as I know them to be.

While I can appreciate that the project expanded in its scope over time and also contracted apparently in other areas, the fact that more of everything (i.e. content) will be included than was previously stated is not encouraging. If the engine is finished and they are waiting on content, how is it that we have not seen a single example of what content they do have from within the actual game engine?

While I am sure the remark that there will be 17 planes and not 11 is thought by most to be exceedingly positive, it sounds like a pacifying excuse to me. "We're giving you more planes. You can wait another year, right?"

By their own admission, they underestimated the complexity and the effort to needed to address that complexity in creating the new game engine. What's to say that they have a handle on things now considering we have never seen any in-game screenshots or video?

Like Ilya said, "The proof is in the pudding". I've seen the recipe, been told someone's cooking it, and been shown the pretty box it came in, but until I can smell it being made or get a taste, I have no more confidence in this project than I did before this interview.

Fuss if you will. I don't blame Oleg for a bad interview. Afterall, an interview is no better than the interviewer.

The interviewer might have done better to put up a pre-interview discussion thread so he could interview with other viewpoints other than his own.

We should have had some of the chickens from the VIEW, cluck,cliuck, cluck

T8-RGQUAdno

[Novotny]

Alright chaps listen up: regardless of our differences, be they political or religious, geographical or just in-your-face-fascisms, we all need to recognise the importance of immediately invading whatever country allowed THAT televisual broadcast to happen.

I don't even know where to begin. Congenital harpies on TV? Considered entertainment? Enlightenment?

Someone help me

[virre89]

When we start seeing ingame videos and constant updates & marketing we'll know the release is within reach, until then just stay frosty the game ain't just gonna pop out of nowhere and say: "hey it's release in a month".

[Tree_UK]

I think in truth that even the most brown nosed supporters of Oleg would be disappointed with the interview, especially after waiting 5 months for an update. For me there was nothing new (apart from the crap fort), i would certainly not call it an update.

[Foo'bar]

The fort image is out of 2006. The only really new screenshot is the skinned Emil. We've never seen before in that high resolution.

[SlipBall]

Learning the expected time of release was enough for me for now. With a whole year plus to wait, I'm sure that we will receive more info as we get closer along. The really big question that I had, was the WHEN and now I know.:)

[Feuerfalke]

Considering these comments, I really hope Oleg will remain silent until the game is close to release and officially announced.

I honestly can't understand why he keeps in touch with a community that blasts all statements to hell, bashes his work and calls him inapt in producing this sim.

[tagTaken2]

Couldn't agree more.

WHHIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEE.

[HFC_Dolphin]

Considering these comments, I really hope Oleg will remain silent until the game is close to release and officially announced.

I honestly can't understand why he keeps in touch with a community that blasts all statements to hell, bashes his work and calls him inapt in producing this sim.

Feuerflake, in general I agree in most of your comments, but here you are being aggressive for no reason. You become what you don't like :P
The whole community is not only you or me or whoever gets in your nerves, don't forget this.

And actually, we all agree that Oleg should have either given some real information, or just tell that he can't offer any additional information and talk about other things.
There is no one who actually got the slightest important new information from this interview.
I don't mind about this, and as I've said several times, it's better if he doesn't reveal important information till he's close to the release (which is not close - that's why he doesn't offer any information).

All in all, we should all calm and enjoy what we have right now: IL-2, the best combat flight simulator ever.

S!

[JoeA]

Frankly this community is hopeless.

[fireflyerz]

:arrow:Oh no...not handbags at dawn again:rolleyes:

[Skoshi Tiger]

Learning the expected time of release was enough for me for now. With a whole year plus to wait, I'm sure that we will receive more info as we get closer along. The really big question that I had, was the WHEN and now I know.:)

+1

Rather than pine away the next year or so last night I downloaded the mod pack (1Gb) (for the second time!) only to find that one of the files had been corrupted when I was installing it. (For the second time!!!! Unfortunately the installer didn't tell me which of the 8 files was corrupted ~~:{) ****Edit finally got non-corrupted files and got them installed :) ****)

First thing I did when I left work today was drop by a game shop and picked up a copy of DCS: Black Shark. (And by the way got told off by my wife for wasting money on another Bloody airplane game! Thank you very much!!! (Hey babe, ya know I love ya but it's IMPORTANT for me!))

[nearmiss]

Darned if you do, darned if you don't, darned if you won't

http://www.healthinharmony.com/images/s-half%20full%20glass.JPG

[JG27CaptStubing]

Well if you think about it Oleg is in a hard place. First if he says anything about the game other than what's been said in the past he will be under the microscope from this community. If he doesn't say anything like he did in the article he can't come under fire.

That's part of the problem with the genre. Expectations are pretty high with this game so I think he just need to concentrate on getting out the door. The other side to that coin is the publisher that's paying for this development might have him under a tight leash. Our genre isn't the most popular nor is it the big money maker people here in the forums would like to think.

Let's just hope the guy gets it out the door soon. My guess is they will push for Christmas this year.

[nearmiss]

Well if you think about it Oleg is in a hard place. First if he says anything about the game other than what's been said in the past he will be under the microscope from this community. If he doesn't say anything like he did in the article he can't come under fire.

That's part of the problem with the genre. Expectations are pretty high with this game so I think he just need to concentrate on getting out the door. The other side to that coin is the publisher that's paying for this development might have him under a tight leash. Our genre isn't the most popular nor is it the big money maker people here in the forums would like to think.

Let's just hope the guy gets it out the door soon. My guess is they will push for Christmas this year.

Agree, he said 80% complete

[Tree_UK]

Some of you guys kill me, we are all entitled to our opinion, you don't see me flaming anyone because they found the interview interesting or found something new in it. I personally did not find anything new in it, but if i post it here i get flamed for whining, you guys should get out more and learn the art of debate. One more thing, now that Oleg is using modders on SOW are we now free to talk about mods on here?

[Zoom2136]

The recent postings in this thread are funny.

The only thing that is going to make people happy is when SOW is on the retailer shelves.

Oleg made an effort, give him credit for that.

I don't think that even that will make them happy...

[nearmiss]

Some of you guys kill me, we are all entitled to our opinion, you don't see me flaming anyone because they found the interview interesting or found something new in it. I personally did not find anything new in it, but if i post it here i get flamed for whining, you guys should get out more and learn the art of debate. One more thing, now that Oleg is using modders on SOW are we now free to talk about mods on here?

Nope, not until he says it's OK.

There are plenty of sites you can visit and talk about them there.

[Feuerfalke]

I don't think that even that will make them happy...

Indeed.

Then the replies are "WHAT? We waited so long for this buggy piece of software?", "[PLANETYPE] is porked - 10 years of development and you got that screw in the wrong place?", "WTF? You said playable groundunits. Why can't I go into the bar and have a drink after a mission?", "17 planes? Are you kidding me? You got to add at least 300 planes or I'll stay with IL2", ...


Some of them even sound familiar now... :rolleyes:


@ JG27CaptStubing:
Agreed. The bad thing is, they don't rush things by flaming or make anything better. Instead they cause bad publicity like in the article Tree quoted. If you really want this game to be a success when it is released, take the responsibility, do you part of this project and act like grownups, not like a 3 year old waiting for Santa.

[Tree_UK]

I think you mean the article i linked too not quoted.

[mazex]

Well, I actually think the interview was rather interesting as it actually did provide quite a lot of information about the current state of the project, and it has placed some timeframe of the release at least (2010). The fact that he commented on the shutting down of aces studios also gives a fresh feeling as the screenshots could have been from 2006 ;) But I do like the high res Emil...

One thing I like a lot are the indications lately that 1C has helped MG with resources for 3D eye candy and skeletal animations etc. MG are good at flight model stuff etc, but add some young wizkids that can do those fancy 3D fires seen in BoP etc... No need to let the former flight engineers spend valuable time learning the latest Dx10 effects.

/Mazex

[proton45]

If I was Oleg I wouldn't even bother posting here anymore... Theirs really no point, and it only seems to stir up a wave of negative speculation. Most of the people here are longtime simmers and will end up buying the game, and if someone decides that they don't want the game because Oleg didn't "jump through the hoops"...well, chances are that they wouldn't have been happy with anything anyway (and its kind of sad)...

I'm not a "brown noser" but I don't really see how negative speculation is any more realistic/constructive then positive speculation...

[Feuerfalke]

If I was Oleg I wouldn't even bother posting here anymore... Theirs really no point, and it only seems to stir up a wave of negative speculation. Most of the people here are longtime simmers and will end up buying the game, and if someone decides that they don't want the game because Oleg didn't "jump through the hoops"...well, chances are that they wouldn't have been happy with anything anyway (and its kind of sad)...

I'm not a "brown noser" but I don't really see how negative speculation is any more realistic/constructive then positive speculation...

Agreed 100%

[Tree_UK]

Well to be fair he doesn't post here much anyway. The last post he made here was 5 months ago.

[Feuerfalke]

Well to be fair he doesn't post here much anyway. The last post he made here was 5 months ago.

Yeah, and you're still making fun of it. What does it help you, the project, this community other than that little venting because you don't get the candy the way YOU want it?

[mazex]

Yeah, and you're still making fun of it. What does it help you, the project, this community other than that little venting because you don't get the candy the way YOU want it?

And what does comments like the one above help you, the project, this community?

No whiner club? For every "whiner" comment here there is one from you whining about the whining... If there was such a club, you would never see the inside of it (and neither would I ;))

[Tree_UK]

Feurerfalke you really need to calm down son, take a deep breath and try using discussion. People are starting to worry about you, your like a love sick puppy whenever the name Oleg is mentioned.

[Foo'bar]

Sinnlos...

[SlipBall]

No sence getting at each others throat's. Energy should be spent on how the hell to upgrade in a years time.:-)

[Insuber]

+1

First thing I did when I left work today was drop by a game shop and picked up a copy of DCS: Black Shark. (And by the way got told off by my wife for wasting money on another Bloody airplane game! Thank you very much!!! (Hey babe, ya know I love ya but it's IMPORTANT for me!))

It's a scandal ! How she dares !! Your wife is whining, and you should be tired of her negative attitude towards the flight simulation world. Oleg and other sensitive chaps here suffer greatly from her constant criticism, as criticism stops creativity, demoralises the team and will ultimately worsen the overall quality of BoB. I suggest you to avoid getting back home until the next release of your wife, or at least until the official patch wife.09, that should not be too far away.

Regards,
Insuber

PS: Skoshi Sorry for kidding, your wife must be a wonderful human being to bear with a flight sim addict like you ... :-)

[Skoshi Tiger]

It's a scandal ! How she dares !! Your wife is whining, and you should be tired of her negative attitude towards the flight simulation world. Oleg and other sensitive chaps here suffer greatly from her constant criticism, as criticism stops creativity, demoralises the team and will ultimately worsen the overall quality of BoB. I suggest you to avoid getting back home until the next release of your wife, or at least until the official patch wife.09, that should not be too far away.

Regards,
Insuber

LOL


PS: Skoshi Sorry for kidding, your wife must be a wonderful human being to bear with a flight sim addict like you ... :-)

No appology necessary but +1000

The worsts part was having her looking over my shoulder while I was trying to get my HOTAS set up. The Helio bouncing across the field in a ball of dust and the wife telling how bad I was and how she wouldn't go flying with me!

[Feuerfalke]

Sinnlos...

Ja, leider.

[Tree_UK]

Oh - hab vergessen euch zu sagen, dass ich Deutsch spreche! :grin:

[Feuerfalke]

I've done articles on flightsims and especially IL2, I've been even live on TV to promote IL2 and SoW and started a support-group on two of Germany's largest gaming networks. How many of you can say that?

You call me a "love sick puppy", a brown-nose and worse. So be it. But in contrast to you, I have something to look forward to and I will do my tiny little part to make it a success.


If you just want to bash the project, Oleg and his team, so be it. But what goes around comes around, this way or another. It surely won't change anything to the positive here or in general.

[mazex]

LOL



No appology necessary but +1000

The worsts part was having her looking over my shoulder while I was trying to get my HOTAS set up. The Helio bouncing across the field in a ball of dust and the wife telling how bad I was and how she wouldn't go flying with me!

He he, my wife is a whiner too, and thank god for that! Imagine a "no whining club" wife that just sits there asking no questions whatever you do... When I buy an expensive computer device with vague motivations I expect my wife to whine! The day she doesn't - I know she has lost what made me love her in the beginning.

When I bought my TrackIR device years ago she whined, but after I persuaded her to try it (took days), she actually changed her mind and said she understood why I bought it...

To continue this allegory... The day she stops asking me about te current state of the big project I'v been running at work for a long time, I would get disappointed. Would I call those questions "whining"? Nope, they are a sign of love... (now it gets cheesy, so let's stop here :)).

[Insuber]

LOL



No appology necessary but +1000

The worsts part was having her looking over my shoulder while I was trying to get my HOTAS set up. The Helio bouncing across the field in a ball of dust and the wife telling how bad I was and how she wouldn't go flying with me!


LOL ! I did roughly the same, mate, I tried to cool down my Il-2 sim-addiction by purchasing DCS-BS last saturday, then ordered the CH Throttle on Amazon to put it asleep for some weeks ... err, days ... OK, hours...

And my wife used to whine a lot more than now, at present she limits to pop in the PC room from time to time, asking innocent questions about my online dogfights, and shamelessly rejoicing and cheering if I get killed ... subtle change of tactics, very feminine ... lol.

Regards,
Insuber

[Insuber]

I've done articles on flightsims and especially IL2, I've been even live on TV to promote IL2 and SoW and started a support-group on two of Germany's largest gaming networks. How many of you can say that?

You call me a "love sick puppy", a brown-nose and worse. So be it. But in contrast to you, I have something to look forward to and I will do my tiny little part to make it a success.


If you just want to bash the project, Oleg and his team, so be it. But what goes around comes around, this way or another. It surely won't change anything to the positive here or in general.


Hi Feurfalke,

Let me say first that if I hurt you I apologise sincerely, I tried to lighten up the debate but I realise that I was somewhat derisory. Sorry on that.

I do not like the name-calling habits from whoever, so I'm not happy about that brown-nosed stuff, especially in a forum where misunderstanding and miscommunication is so easy. We're part of the same community even though we do our best from time to time to split in two parties, like in the mods/no mods debate.

That very debate should be a lesson for us all: a lot of flames, personal attacks, passion about legitimacy of using mods, for what? Nothing at all. We are still in the same old boat, all together.

So maximum respect for you, mate, and for what you're doing for Il-2. The passion we share should be enough to keep us together in harmony, both the impatient critics like me, and the positive people like you, without the need to dig trenches and build walls, just exchanging opinions, and maybe hot posts, but always wth the due respect.



Regards,
Insuber




"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[Bobb4]

I've done articles on flightsims and especially IL2, I've been even live on TV to promote IL2 and SoW and started a support-group on two of Germany's largest gaming networks. How many of you can say that?


Not me.
Sarcasm and wit sometimes translates very badly into someone’s second tongue/language.
I think we should always remember that. Although this forum is English, that may not be our mother tongue. So what some might find hilarious repartee others may feel offended.
I think we should al remember that.
So can we all relax now and get back to what we do best, whine

[HenFre]

+1 bobb4

Just take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4roXEY8hk

[Thunderbolt56]

My Wife giggles joyously when I'm in the middle of an aerial scrum and she calls my attention away to kill a spider or some such other manly task only to lose my adversary and likely snap-roll into the hill.

She's threatened many times to get on my pc while I'm at work and learn how to fly using my online nick thus totally trashing any amount of credibility or respect I may have earned over the last 8 years in this community. Accordingly, I've started turning off the power switch on the PSU. She'd never find that solution in 15 years. Better than a password too because she might call and say her laptop won't boot and she needs the password to get online to do the banking, but if it won't even turn on, it'll have to wait til I get home now won't it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/takebow.gif


TB

[Tree_UK]

How many times have any of you answered the door with a tracking dot stuck on your forehead? I had an half hour conversation with 2 Jehovah's Witness's with that dot stuck on me head. I then upgraded to a vector pro clip for my hat but forgot it was on my head and only remembered whilst queuing in the super market, i was wondering why i was getting some sideways glances!! Thankfully I now use the Pro clip.

[nearmiss]

My Wife giggles joyously when I'm in the middle of an aerial scrum and she calls my attention away to kill a spider or some such other manly task only to lose my adversary and likely snap-roll into the hill.

She's threatened many times to get on my pc while I'm at work and learn how to fly using my online nick thus totally trashing any amount of credibility or respect I may have earned over the last 8 years in this community. Accordingly, I've started turning off the power switch on the PSU. She'd never find that solution in 15 years. Better than a password too because she might call and say her laptop won't boot and she needs the password to get online to do the banking, but if it won't even turn on, it'll have to wait til I get home now won't it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/takebow.gif


TB

Women just don't know how to appreciate us.

Afterall we are at home, not drinking with boys, chasing some skirt or working on some stay away from the house project at work.

The wife of a friend told me she had no problem with her husband playing WOW even into wee hours of the morning.

She was glad he was home, she knew where he was and she could get him to help with the baby if necessary.

Then of course she is a very intelligent woman, very well educated and has enough sense to sort the real issues from emotional whines women so often use on us.

My friend is very fortunate. Most of my friends who sim have emotional whiners for wives, and the only way to please them is hang around the TV set and watch the girlie boy shows, with all the limp wrist dudes sucking on their tongues while they talk.

[Codex]

how many times have any of you answered the door with a tracking dot stuck on your forehead? I had an half hour conversation with 2 jehovah's witness's with that dot stuck on me head. I then upgraded to a vector pro clip for my hat but forgot it was on my head and only remembered whilst queuing in the super market, i was wondering why i was getting some sideways glances!! Thankfully i now use the pro clip.

roflmao :d

[He111]

Pity release date pushed out to late 2010 .. we WWII fans are getting old, each year that passes, see's less of us! :(

17 planes, hope one is a He-111 with varing armourments - ie add 20 mm cannons for less bomb load. I would also like to see a Hampden and a fairey Battle but will be happy that modders will be allowed to add such.

At least by mid 2010 i should have a NEW computer, whether it's a PC or not will be a turning point!

[zapatista]

Remember this, systems specs in May, late summer release 2009.

http://www.theghostfiles.org/

and you basing all your foot stomping on "some guy who at one time had a conversation with oleg and was told something about a release date" ?

that is very fragile ground to justify making so many demanding and aggressive posts to oleg from imo. if its a direct face to face personal conversation oleg was having with a fan/il2-user, that is very different from an official statement making some formal announcements, or oleg speaking formally to a know blogger who will post his exact words for 1000's to then read.

Olegs response when asked if he had talked to the guy was this,

"Yes, he was spoken to me. However I told that it is my hope, if everything will going Ok without any serious development technical problems"

the key word there being *hope*, so it is his intention to release in 2009 (which hasnt passed yet eh) and he even qualifies it because these large projects can be hard to give a specific completion date for. oleg is also his own man and largely acting as an independent producer so he has a lot more leeway that many other similar projects

and finally Oleg posts this on the 31/12/2008,
Hi!
Happy New Year!
And personally for me I wish myself to finish BoB in new Year!
Almost finished:

right, so for the first time from the man himself a statement to his fanbase (in this forum, his own forum), that his intention is to release it in 2009, oleg doesnt even give a firm commitment, he states it as his aim. if the end of 2009 passes and it is still not released on the 1e day of 2010, you can start your grumbling :)


with the most recent simhq interview i see the news as being all good, the project is on track, we are getting many of the features we had hoped for like ground vehicle control added in at some point, more complex and advanced flight modeling then sims like RoF ar getting all hyped about, full dynamic campaign, control of individual flak guns, individual human figures with skeletal animation, etc....


the BoB memorial day in 2009 is in early july, and oleg just specifically stated that by the 2010 memorial day he expects to have many 1000's of people flying his new sim, then with everything we know so far i'd put an estimate of release date between november 2009 and march 2010

[nearmiss]

Pity release date pushed out to late 2010 .. we WWII fans are getting old, each year that passes, see's less of us! :(

17 planes, hope one is a He-111 with varing armourments - ie add 20 mm cannons for less bomb load. I would also like to see a Hampden and a fairey Battle but will be happy that modders will be allowed to add such.

At least by mid 2010 i should have a NEW computer, whether it's a PC or not will be a turning point!

You said recently you want it released for the 70th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain. That would be in September 2010. Are you confident flight simmers around the world will be flying Storm of War: Battle of Britain in October 2010?
Oleg: Yes, it is our general plan. Maybe it will arrive earlier. I can't say right now the exact date. But by October 2010 (if not before) Storm of War: Battle of Britain should have many thousands of users.
Doug: At one point you commented that Storm of War: Battle of Britain was "60% completed". Considering the original scope has been expanded, would you be able to give us a percentage based on the new expanded project scope?
Oleg: The main content is ready now. 10% of the content — such as the ships and some of the ground objects on the airfields — are all that is left to be done. At the same time we are currently adding new 3D graphic effects and other features to the Storm of War series engine, and make the campaign, animate people, test and retest, etc. During the year we will spend time completing the Storm of War series engine and the first project, Storm of War: Battle of Britain. So to say that it is now 80% complete would be accurate.

The above does not say it will be released in 2010. Read the highlighted parts in context of what was said.

I think we always lose something in translations from Russian to English. I suggest anyone with thoughts or questions go back a carefully re-read the interview. Don't skim, read it carefully.

[Tree_UK]

and you basing all your foot stomping on "some guy who at one time had a conversation with oleg and was told something about a release date" ?

that is very fragile ground to justify making so many demanding and aggressive posts to oleg from imo. if its a direct face to face personal conversation oleg was having with a fan/il2-user, that is very different from an official statement making some formal announcements, or oleg speaking formally to a know blogger who will post his exact words for 1000's to then read.



the key word there being *hope*, so it is his intention to release in 2009 (which hasnt passed yet eh) and he even qualifies it because these large projects can be hard to give a specific completion date for. oleg is also his own man and largely acting as an independent producer so he has a lot more leeway that many other similar projects



right, so for the first time from the man himself a statement to his fanbase (in this forum, his own forum), that his intention is to release it in 2009, oleg doesnt even give a firm commitment, he states it as his aim. if the end of 2009 passes and it is still not released on the 1e day of 2010, you can start your grumbling :)


with the most recent simhq interview i see the news as being all good, the project is on track, we are getting many of the features we had hoped for like ground vehicle control added in at some point, more complex and advanced flight modeling then sims like RoF ar getting all hyped about, full dynamic campaign, control of individual flak guns, individual human figures with skeletal animation, etc....


the BoB memorial day in 2009 is in early july, and oleg just specifically stated that by the 2010 memorial day he expects to have many 1000's of people flying his new sim, then with everything we know so far i'd put an estimate of release date between november 2009 and march 2010

Zapista, go back through all my posts and show me one where i have demanded anything from Oleg, again you are distorting any of my posts, you say iam foot stomping and demanding, I would say i have merely asked questions.
Any sane person would surely accept that Oleg has got some of his timings wrong on this project, that is not a critism of Oleg its just a simple fact. Yes these things happen but without reasonable communication then questions are certainly going to be asked about statemnets that have been made. I personally dont think that is unreasonable, obviously some of you guys do. I guess you will just have to live with it.

[zapatista]

the only timing issue i see is that initially an evolution of il2 into BoB was due in about 2007, just before that we started to get indications of a complete rewrite of the grafix and game engine was planned instead, which pushed all work out by a couple of years. once that track change was established i dont think oleg ever quoted any dates or times

i am as eager as anybody else here, i just think that in the context of oleg working on our ONLY big hope for the next big ww-2 sim we can give him some positive support and encouragement. it is obviously clear the project is making major strides in its progress, and is now coming together nicely.

[Tree_UK]

I hear what you are saying Zap, but in the ghostfiles interview it was stated that we will get system specs in May 09 and release September 09, Oleg was subsequently asked if he had spoke to this person he said he had, he also did not say in any shape or form that the information was untrue, all he said was he was 'hoping' for these dates. Its obvious that the guy from Ghostfiles didn't just pluck these dates out of thin air or Oleg would have rebuked them, which he clearly didn't.
These debates are all brought about because of lack of communication/information if we have neither then we are left with 'speculation' be it positive or negative. I admire your optimism it seems to serve you well, i do not flame you when you post your optimistic messages, thus i feel you should respect my more concerted view. I also would like to reiterate that i have never demanded anything, neither i have i slated Oleg, the guy is a genius without question. I have only asked or inquired about information posted on this site either by admins and or Oleg. Most of my question are answered with pure speculation from those that claim to be 'in the know' - this does rattle my cage considerably and i am guilty of many sarcastic replies which i have now reflected upon after receiving a pm from a valued forum member who shall remain nameless.


Now lets move on


peace

[virre89]

Well Oleg mentioned ingame screenshots would be published starting by September this year. Until we start seeing a promotion purpose of the game i.e ingame videos and some actual footage we can be sure enough the game ain't around the corner.

2010 sounds most likely juding by all that's been said, nonthelss i don't mind having a year with RoF until BoB comes out.

[Igo kyu]

@ Igo kyu:
Oleg indicated that it would go much faster after the engine was ready. Now it's just some effects and the rest put together, I guess it's picking up pace even more. I doubt it will take another full 18 month from now, if everything goes as planned.
I didn't think it was 18 months ago, and it wasn't:

Q: Is the worldwide economic crisis affecting the development or quality of BoB? Can you generally tell us where you are in terms of progress?

A: Quality will not be affected. Timeline – we shall see. Right now we’re about 60% there, probably even more. [Luthier’s note: not 60% in terms of time, but 60% in terms of features.]


That was:

03-04-2009, 12:58 AM

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=6494

I think September 2009 is on. :grin:

[Bearcat]

I thought this was interesting:

Any server will be able to choose to allow only certified content, or any non-certified content at any time, or even certified Maddox-created content but with modified parameters.

UI take that to mean that server side settings will be very diverse... and the encryption will be rather robust. Whish IMO is a good thing because in the presence of options IO think people will be less likely to try to hack the sim.. except those who just want to try to do it regardless.