Can we request an update?

[Novotny]

Should explain, I lurk madly - rarely have anything to add so usually just read. I'm most certainly a newbie within this community and know my place :) However, the frustration I feel at hearing absolutely nothing for what - 4 months now? is maddening.

Nearmiss, I hope you let this post stand as it's not intended as developer bashing. Most of the discussion surrounding the lack of updates was purged from the thread above, and tbh you were quite correct in doing so. Nevertheless, I do feel that there ought to be at least one thread expressing the most heartfelt concern of the community.

I believe this desire/concern is for some sort of comment from Oleg, or his team, to let us know all is well.

Many years ago I whole-heartedly endorsed Id's policy of 'It'll be done when it's done' and I completely support any developer who wants to 'get it right' and ignore publishing timetables.

I comprehend and appreciate any company's desire to keep new tech secret as long as possible to maximise profitability of old tech; I bought TrackIR4 a month or so ago. Bit annoyed, but am cool with their decision to keep their 5th iteration private.

But I cannot understand why Oleg's team refuse to speak with the community anymore.

When Oleg made his 'regular updates' thread on the SimHQ forums everything looked peachy, and I do believe he wished to make regular updates at that point. What I don't understand is why the communication has become so sparse, to the point of being non-existent.

Speaking just for myself, I'm worried that the funding has become an issue, though Oleg denied that being the case previously. Nevertheless, I find it hard to convince myself that this may not be the problem. I really hope it isn't. If it was, I'd be wanting to help.

I support Oleg and his team 100% and I am sure there is good reason for this course of evetns but it would be so reassuring just to hear something, even if it's just a 'nothing to report'.

I hope this post stays; it's no way critical of Oleg: if there was nothing more after IL2, he would still be a god to me. I just want to understand why we can't be allowed any information or updates on the progression of SOW. Why must we be kept in the dark?

[usagold2004]

2nd that

[Tree_UK]

+1

[furbs]

+2

[ECV56_LeChuck]

yeah a little update! at least some responses of the questions in the forum

[HenFre]

+3

[nearmiss]

Should explain, I lurk madly - rarely have anything to add so usually just read. I'm most certainly a newbie within this community and know my place :) However, the frustration I feel at hearing absolutely nothing for what - 4 months now? is maddening.

Nearmiss, I hope you let this post stand as it's not intended as developer bashing. Most of the discussion surrounding the lack of updates was purged from the thread above, and tbh you were quite correct in doing so. Nevertheless, I do feel that there ought to be at least one thread expressing the most heartfelt concern of the community.

I believe this desire/concern is for some sort of comment from Oleg, or his team, to let us know all is well.

Many years ago I whole-heartedly endorsed Id's policy of 'It'll be done when it's done' and I completely support any developer who wants to 'get it right' and ignore publishing timetables.

I comprehend and appreciate any company's desire to keep new tech secret as long as possible to maximise profitability of old tech; I bought TrackIR4 a month or so ago. Bit annoyed, but am cool with their decision to keep their 5th iteration private.

But I cannot understand why Oleg's team refuse to speak with the community anymore.

When Oleg made his 'regular updates' thread on the SimHQ forums everything looked peachy, and I do believe he wished to make regular updates at that point. What I don't understand is why the communication has become so sparse, to the point of being non-existent.

Speaking just for myself, I'm worried that the funding has become an issue, though Oleg denied that being the case previously. Nevertheless, I find it hard to convince myself that this may not be the problem. I really hope it isn't. If it was, I'd be wanting to help.

I support Oleg and his team 100% and I am sure there is good reason for this course of evetns but it would be so reassuring just to hear something, even if it's just a 'nothing to report'.

I hope this post stays; it's no way critical of Oleg: if there was nothing more after IL2, he would still be a god to me. I just want to understand why we can't be allowed any information or updates on the progression of SOW. Why must we be kept in the dark?

1) The Oleg Maddox #2 thread is a questions and requests theread directed to Oleg. Simply, put it's not about discussion but directed to Oleg. He does not have time to weed through 12 pages of verbal abuse to read the few pages of real questions.

2) There is information prohibited in postings, but it's about MODS only.

3) Regular forums rules apply to all other postings.

Hope I explained that well enough

[zapatista]

+5

[Feuerfalke]

Can we request an update?


http://procrastinating.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/obama1barack-obama-yes-we-can-posters.jpg


As with the picture, question is: Does it change anything. ;)

[Feathered_IV]

Must we really have updates? What would another few blue-screen WiP shots really do for you anyway?
Some vague, "Sure, no" Q&A session won't go far to enlighten or satisfy anybody either. It'll just give you more questions that will go unanswered, continuing this ridiculous cycle.

Much better to forget about this Storm of whatever and let this forum return to the discussion of the Il-2 series. It's what it was made for after all.

I tell you mates, the sooner you put it out of your mind, the happier you'll be.
I've been through this whole begging for updates thing for years now. I've wasted a significant chunk of my precious life, scrounging for tiny scraps of information on a something that is no nearer release than it was two years ago. Well, I'm over it now. And I have to say, I feel much better for it too.

I'm still kind of excited about SoW, don't get me wrong. But more in an abstract sort of way. The same way I'm excited about Mars colonisation, or the chance of winning the lottery. I'd prefer not to feel this way. I'd love to have that sense of hope and anticipation that I had in the old days, but they've pretty much seen to that.

Ah well... You reap what you SoW.

[Lazarus]

If Oleg gives us an update, I will send him a Starbucks card! In fact, if Oleg gives us an update, I will send you a Starbucks card too. (There is NO WAY that there is no Starbucks in Moscow) It's probably called Starmovik Bucklovski's:-P

For most of us, I don't think we even care if he answers questions. We just want an update:(

Thanks

[danjama]

Can i just add that if the problem was financial but he didn't want to tell us, i personally would be happy to donate a small amount to the team (and don't think i'm made of money, i struggle myself). But just think that if we all donated a little it would make alot. OK we have all paid for our il2/fb/pf/pe2/1946, and we could easily sit there and say hell no i'm not obliged to give any more money away, but at the end of the day, we all have been waiting a long time for this baby.

Anyway, it's no big deal for me, i'm still enjoying the fruits of il2.

[Feathered_IV]

Can i just add that if the problem was financial but he didn't want to tell us, i personally would be happy to donate a small amount to the team (and don't think i'm made of money, i struggle myself). But just think that if we all donated a little it would make alot. OK we have all paid for our il2/fb/pf/pe2/1946, and we could easily sit there and say hell no i'm not obliged to give any more money away, but at the end of the day, we all have been waiting a long time for this baby.

Anyway, it's no big deal for me, i'm still enjoying the fruits of il2.

About a year or so before you got into the sim (during PF development), many of us donated money to Oleg when his car got hit by a garbage truck. There was a Paypal account and everyone chipped in what they could to get him back on the road. I swear to God, it really happened. I've still got the email he sent me after. ;)

[Novotny]

That's very interesting Feathered, hadn't heard of that before.

I'm just hoping that if we are polite, we can somehow convince Oleg to let us know a little about how things are progressing. I hope it's not begging, but rather a dignified request for some information.

Personally, I'm going to see if we can get a response with this method. If not, then yes I'm just going to get on with my life. I'm not spending any more time chasing a Duke Nukem Forever.

[dgeorge04]

At least tell us the YEAR it's going to be on the market!!!!

[proton45]

LOL...good luck friends, but I have a feeling that Oleg will update us when 'he' is ready. :)

[Feuerfalke]

LOL...good luck friends, but I have a feeling that Oleg will update us when 'he' is ready. :)

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/loldog-funny-pictures-you-got-it-babe.jpg

[Novotny]

Proton45, you're surely correct. But at this stage, an update could be simply 'Really busy! Don't worry, everything's going fine' and I'm positive that would be really appreciated.

FeatheredIV said that answering some queries only leads to more and more complicated questions and I can totally see where he's coming from, if I've understood him correctly.

I don't expect Oleg to read this thread and say 'Hey OK, here's exactly what we're doing etc etc', but I think it would be really good PR if he, or someone from his team, would just let us know if they're all ok and the project is fine. If they choose to divulge more than this then excellent; however, I really don't ask for anything more than just some response.

Let's be honest, wouldn't we all appreciate that?

[furbs]

Proton45, you're surely correct. But at this stage, an update could be simply 'Really busy! Don't worry, everything's going fine' and I'm positive that would be really appreciated.

FeatheredIV said that answering some queries only leads to more and more complicated questions and I can totally see where he's coming from, if I've understood him correctly.

I don't expect Oleg to read this thread and say 'Hey OK, here's exactly what we're doing etc etc', but I think it would be really good PR if he, or someone from his team, would just let us know if they're all ok and the project is fine. If they choose to divulge more than this then excellent; however, I really don't ask for anything more than just some response.

Let's be honest, wouldn't we all appreciate that?

hit the nail on the head mate....would take him or one of his team 20 seconds at most

[Feuerfalke]

Now, really, how many times did he do exactly that or asked somebody else to do so. The last time is just two week old:

Concerning the Q&A:
Oleg contacted me a couple of weeks ago to say he has not forgotten about it and apologized for the delay. He has always told me when he could not do a write-up for SimHQ, and has always been good to provide content when promised. He has lots of stuff going on right now, so we all need to be patient a bit longer. We want to see it as much as you do.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2713803/Tree.html#Post2713803

[Novotny]

Thanks Feuerfalke, though I'd be pretty surprised if anyone reading this thread was not already aware of the SimHQ article situation.

I certainly am, and frankly it hastened my question.

[Blackdog_kt]

I think people would simply be happy if a qualified English speaker simply translated a couple of interviews we've seen in the past in Russian websites.

I'm beginning to suspect this whole thing is a modus operandi brough forth by a language barrier among other things. I mean, look at Rise of Flight. There's all sorts of speculation, questions and even critique with the game one month away from an international release and what does the dev team do? Switch their website completely to Russian language at the day the game started selling in Russia.

I know these guys all tend to make very high quality products, but improving their marketing is also a necessity. At this point we lack communication so much, that even hiring a translator for one afternoon to piece together Oleg's Russian interviews in English would be a big step. ;)

[Tree_UK]

Its been 5 months since we last heard from Oleg on this forum and i am sorry to say that i personally do not buy in to the 'Olegs's too busy' theory.
A lot of work can be done in 5 months and if what Oleg has told us recently is true i.e 'development did not start until late 2007' then 5 months worth of work in real terms is about 1/3rd of actual develpment time. If that was the case you would imagine that Oleg would be itching to show us the progress he and his team have made, but instead we hear nothing, pretty much all communication cut and any faints mutters of updates/websites/interviews have now all been cancelled due to Oleg's workload. We also have had a 'clamp down' in the forums, no more questions in Oleg's room asking about previous 1C statements regarding updates/websites/news etc, with threats of post removals and or bans.
All of this IMHO points to a project that is in trouble, questions and answers have simply become just questions.
I sincerly hope that all is well with SOW and that Oleg is just being reclusive but i fear that may not be the case. Please do not remove this post i am not complaing i am just expressing my thoughts and concerns.

[proton45]

Its been 5 months since we last heard from Oleg on this forum and i am sorry to say that i personally do not buy in to the 'Olegs's too busy' theory.
A lot of work can be done in 5 months and if what Oleg has told us recently is true i.e 'development did not start until late 2007' then 5 months worth of work in real terms is about 1/3rd of actual develpment time. If that was the case you would imagine that Oleg would be itching to show us the progress he and his team have made, but instead we hear nothing, pretty much all communication cut and any faints mutters of updates/websites/interviews have now all been cancelled due to Oleg's workload. We also have had a 'clamp down' in the forums, no more questions in Oleg's room asking about previous 1C statements regarding updates/websites/news etc, with threats of post removals and or bans.
All of this IMHO points to a project that is in trouble, questions and answers have simply become just questions.
I sincerly hope that all is well with SOW and that Oleg is just being reclusive but i fear that may not be the case. Please do not remove this post i am not complaing i am just expressing my thoughts and concerns.


Theirs a surprise...I don't think their are many of us here who are not aware of your "fears". ;)

[robtek]

Theirs a surprise...I don't think their are many of us here who are not aware of your "fears". ;)

I´d would change that to: i think there are very few who aren´t aware of your "fears".

[Tree_UK]

Its pleasing to know my message gets across, even to the most blinkered. :grin:

[KG26_Alpha]

Geez same old stuff again and again from the same people :)



It will big news when its released, as it was back in 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/reviews/1698152.stm

Just wait...what's your hurry ?

[Sokol1]

Oleg post yesterday in www.sukhoi.ru


Yesterday, 13:06
Oleg Maddox

This seems to answer

To date 70 th anniversary of the Battle of Britain.


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sukhoi.ru%2Fforum%2Fshowthread. php%3Ft%3D52383%26page%3D72&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=

Sokol1

[Novotny]

Well, we're not trying to hurry the devs up, nor are we demanding dates or any particular sort of information. Indeed, there is a thread specifically for questions relating to Storm of War.

I'm just asking for some acknowledgement, some confirmation that all is well. Anything else would be a massive bonus.

[Baron]

I proppably got bored with flightsims altoghether by the time SoW gets here.

8 years with the same flightsim is so long its borderline insane.

[Bobb4]

Nice to see something, so he is not happy with the name? If I read babelfish right?
Publisher in the west is still the same?
And he does not want to redo website should they change name...
Anyone fluent in Russian feel free to correct me.
Two years in production and this is the sensitive/secret year (assuming he is indication very far down the road in development, critical year) He also mention engine is complete? Am I correct in my interpretation?
best update I have read so far thanks Sokol1

[Novotny]

Thanks Sokol1!

He seems to be indicating a release for the 70th aniversary of the Battle of Britain - have I understood that correctly?

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Is this the section it pertains to?

Message from Oleg Madoks/Maddox

1. Sozadnie new skeletal animation, and modern characters (of pilots, soldiers, animals), is relevant for use in the aircraft simulator, starting from 2010 onwards a number of years. Until this moment we have a code for skeletal animation, but with this moenta it was to take shape, as it should be in the release.Previously, the time to do certain things - could happen at a loss. Moeltki would be irrelevant to moent release product compared to others ..
2Creating a new modern 3D animated effects explosions, etc. (more than 600 items)
3.Dodelyvanie complex multi-layer textures of land and unique objects

This is not all!

Is he saying that skeletal animations of pilots etc (by "Sozadnie"?) are being worked on, but not high priority? If it takes too long they will leave it, as they may over run development budget? I hope so! It sounds that way to me, unless I have misinterpreted. Its a flight sim, new more complex skeletal animations would be great, but we could live without it in first release surely? Getting quite excited about the new 3d explosions etc, can't wait to see them :)

[danjama]

I love that BBC article posted above, i bet many who posted the comments still fly :)

I couldn't get bored of il2, maybe take a hiatus, but always come back.

[robtek]

@ Baron

One has to have endurance!

[SlipBall]

Quote:
Сообщение от mr_tank Note from mr_tank http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://64.233.169.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1236915&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhi7ArILgUEcsSCquE5ITaI5MniBxw#post1236915 )
Похоже, еще пара лет. It looks like another couple of years.

На это пожалуй отвечу This seems to answer

К дате 70 летия битвы за британию. To date 70 th anniversary of the Battle of Britain


From the link at the zoo...2 more years is not that long to wait for excellence in flying:-P

[Novotny]

This page has a comment by Oleg:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1236915&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com#post1236915

You can find all posts by Oleg by firstly clicking on his name to the left of the post, then clicking 'Статистика', the second tab on his profile, and then clicking 'Find all posts by Oleg Medoks / Oleg Maddox'.

I tried to link directly to all his posts, translated, but it didn't seem to work. Let me know if the instructions don't work for you.

Shame he won't post here :(

Edit:: Do understand that you'll be reading Google's automatic translation and NOT Oleg's own words, in his native language. There's plenty of room for misunderstandings.

[Tree_UK]

Yep it looks like they are heading for a 2010 release, god knows what Oleg was thinking when he said he hoped for a September 2009 release, or indeed a dedicated website finished in December 2008 and system specs in May!! Still its better than no release and i wont be eating Feurefalkes pants and i win my release date predication. Jackpot!!

[proton45]

Quote:
Сообщение от mr_tank Note from mr_tank http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://64.233.169.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1236915&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhi7ArILgUEcsSCquE5ITaI5MniBxw#post1236915 )
Похоже, еще пара лет. It looks like another couple of years.

На это пожалуй отвечу This seems to answer

К дате 70 летия битвы за британию. To date 70 th anniversary of the Battle of Britain


From the link at the zoo...2 more years is not that long to wait for excellence in flying:-P


The 70th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain is a good idea...

[Baron]

That would explain the silance, they are no where near finished. And why all we get once "uppdates" arrive is bluescreen shots, they haven got anythingelse to show.


Makes sence.

[Tree_UK]

That seems about the size of it.

[KG26_Alpha]

I proppably got bored with flightsims altoghether by the time SoW gets here.

8 years with the same flightsim is so long its borderline insane.

I suggest you don't get married then :)

[SlipBall]

I'm a bit surprised that Oleg in his New Year wish to finish the game this year, could not be satisfied...Oh well, I quess problems arouse

[Lazarus]

Maybe we need to cheer him on like an encore at a rock concert.....EVERYBODY!

OLEG! OLEG! OLEG! OLEG! OLEG! OLEG! OLEG!:-P

[Icewolf]

Oleg is in financial ruin and living with his mother

[SlipBall]

Oleg is in financial ruin and living with his mother


I thought that he was the head of 1C??...and him/they have alot of good games out there, with lots and lots of sales

[Tree_UK]

I'm a bit surprised that Oleg in his New Year wish to finish the game this year, could not be satisfied...Oh well, I quess problems arouse

It does seems strange especially when they announced a Dedicated SOW website to be done in Dec 2008 and system specs in May, still it proves that when Oleg said that the sim was 60% completed that the rational ones amongst figured out that this sim was a long way off.

[SlipBall]

It does seems strange especially when they announced a Dedicated SOW website to be done in Dec 2008 and system specs in May, still it proves that when Oleg said that the sim was 60% completed that the rational ones amongst figured out that this sim was a long way off.



Yep, too bad that he dos'ent post here what the deal is. I mean if it is two years out, just come here and tell us...we can take the bad news like men:-P

[proton45]

It does seems strange especially when they announced a Dedicated SOW website to be done in Dec 2008 and system specs in May, still it proves that when Oleg said that the sim was 60% completed that the rational ones amongst figured out that this sim was a long way off.

Thank you... I think its so ridiculous that people keep griping about Oleg missing deadlines, and breaking "promises" to the community. Oleg is hard at work on the new game engine, and "It will be done, when he is done". Just because he hasn't posted here recently, it doesn't mean that its the end of the world...

[Tree_UK]

Thank you... I think its so ridiculous that people keep griping about Oleg missing deadlines, and breaking "promises" to the community. Oleg is hard at work on the new game engine, and "It will be done, when he is done". Just because he hasn't posted here recently, it doesn't mean that its the end of the world...

We are not griping we are "wondering", there is a difference. Its good to know Oleg has been in touch with you personally to let you know he's working so hard and can you explain what you mean exactly by "it will be done, when he is done"?

[HFC_Dolphin]

Guys we all have to accept that Oleg will release it when he thinks it's ready.

My biggest fear is that he tries to make the ultimate sim engine and that by constantly adding and changing things, to be in par with new hardware technologies/OS's (i.e. Windows 7), the whole project may collapse.
I can't say that I know that this is happening, but I get this feeling by his updates, where he says that he wants to make the best sim engine to be used by other game developers and when he fails all the release predictions he has posted.

On the other hand, we all have proof of his and his team's skills. IL-2 is the living proof, when even after 8 years from its original release, it's still the best sim (if not game in general) in the market, therefore we should not lose the faith in him.

What I suggest is that we all leave this place, spend our valuable time with family (while waiting for SoW I got twins and another boy is on the way :-)) and if SoW is released then get involved again. So simple :-)

The only other, not healthy, way is to keep on waiting like lovers waiting for each other after a long time away. Is SoW that important?

Enjoy the life guys and let the bits and bytes do their job alone!

[Chivas]

SimHq has recieved some info and screenshots from Oleg and will be posting the interview in a few days.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2708028/6/what_happened_to_the_Interview.html

Its very easy to predict that a sim will miss its release date because they never are finished on time.

There is post in the UBI forums that appears to suggest that UBIsoft is still the western publisher of SOW.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1671087657

[Insuber]

Thank you... I think its so ridiculous that people keep griping about Oleg missing deadlines, and breaking "promises" to the community. Oleg is hard at work on the new game engine, and "It will be done, when he is done". Just because he hasn't posted here recently, it doesn't mean that its the end of the world...

That's a strange industry indeed; if I had to say to my customers "It will be done, when I'm done", my career would last the time of a project review meeting.

Have you ever heard about planning, engagements, reliability, reporting ? Everyone in this world has a schedule, a budget, and engagements with clients to whom they have to report, from time to time. It applies to farmers and Wall Street gurus.
Evidently for you Oleg makes an exception. That's what I call ridiculous, mate.

Regards,
Insuber

[Igo kyu]

We are not griping we are "wondering", there is a difference.
It seems to me that the main difference in this case is whether one is reading or writing. :evil:

[HFC_Dolphin]

That's a strange industry indeed; if I had to say to my customers "It will be done, when I'm done", my career would last the time of a project review meeting.

Have you ever heard about planning, engagements, reliability, reporting ? Everyone in this world has a schedule, a budget, and engagements with clients to whom they have to report, from time to time. It applies to farmers and Wall Street gurus.
Evidently for you Oleg makes an exception. That's what I call ridiculous, mate.


Maybe because you (and me and most of us) are working in usual corporations/business where things are straight.
On the other hand Oleg is innovating. He is doing something new. In many issues he is making the path that other people will follow.
Therefore, despite the level of difficulty of everyone's business, it's completely different thing to compare them.

[dgeorge04]

Guys we all have to accept that Oleg will release it when he thinks it's ready.

My biggest fear is that he tries to make the ultimate sim engine and that by constantly adding and changing things, to be in par with new hardware technologies/OS's (i.e. Windows 7), the whole project may collapse.
I can't say that I know that this is happening, but I get this feeling by his updates, where he says that he wants to make the best sim engine to be used by other game developers and when he fails all the release predictions he has posted.

On the other hand, we all have proof of his and his team's skills. IL-2 is the living proof, when even after 8 years from its original release, it's still the best sim (if not game in general) in the market, therefore we should not lose the faith in him.

What I suggest is that we all leave this place, spend our valuable time with family (while waiting for SoW I got twins and another boy is on the way :-)) and if SoW is released then get involved again. So simple :-)

The only other, not healthy, way is to keep on waiting like lovers waiting for each other after a long time away. Is SoW that important?

Enjoy the life guys and let the bits and bytes do their job alone!

I totally agree!!

[proton45]

SimHq has recieved some info and screenshots from Oleg and will be posting the interview in a few days.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2708028/6/what_happened_to_the_Interview.html

Its very easy to predict that a sim will miss its release date because they never are finished on time.

There is post in the UBI forums that appears to suggest that UBIsoft is still the western publisher of SOW.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1671087657

What do you know (?!)... "surprise, surprise" (sarcasm) it seems that Oleg is hard at work. I could have never guessed that. ;)

[Novotny]

Can we try to not be aggressive to eachother in this thread please?

I'm delighted we're going to get the SimHQ article soon.

[danjama]

Oleg is the man, let him do his thing, if you can't do that, then what sort of person are you? The fact is he is not obligated to answer to any one of us, and when he does so, it's of his own wish. We should appreciate that. We all know what the guy can do, so let's wait and anticipate!

Nuff said.

[Insuber]

Maybe because you (and me and most of us) are working in usual corporations/business where things are straight.
On the other hand Oleg is innovating. He is doing something new. In many issues he is making the path that other people will follow.
Therefore, despite the level of difficulty of everyone's business, it's completely different thing to compare them.

Dolphin,

In a way what you say is true, but it can explain the delays, not the communication black out.

Regards,
Insuber

[lbuchele]

Don´t you think it will be a shame if two next generation sims are released too close of each other?
Let´s go to Rise of Flight, I´m pretty confident we will still exploring this new sim when SOW arrives in a year or so.
No need to be anxious about it.
This market is so tiny, we have to take advantage from every new release.

[Chivas]

Dolphin,

In a way what you say is true, but it can explain the delays, not the communication black out.

Regards,
Insuber


I've been following the development of SOW since 2004 and seen no communication black out. BUT I totally understand that we all want more info, but thats not always possible for a multitude of reasons. The Simhq interview should provide more insight on the progress of SOW. Hopefully the interview will include an actual ingame screenshot.

[Tree_UK]

Thats what i am hoping for Chivas, an in game screeni, if we see that then we have hope for a 2010 release.

[Insuber]

I've been following the development of SOW since 2004 and seen no communication black out. BUT I totally understand that we all want more info, but thats not always possible for a multitude of reasons. The Simhq interview should provide more insight on the progress of SOW. Hopefully the interview will include an actual ingame screenshot.


Chivas,

I've been following too the development, being a customer of Oleg since 2001. Sorry to say that, but we've always been misinformed. We have been deceived on development progress, PC spec dates, updates frequency, release dates.
The forum should be the main place to get updates; I pop in this forum every other day, and the first thing I see is the 12-31-2008 on the right of "Oleg News"... 5 months with no or little info, and running ...

Let's wait however for the SimHQ interview, and see which other release date we'll be given ...

Regards,
Insuber

[HFC_Dolphin]

Insuber you are right about the lack of regular updates, but on the other hand maybe we should all just move away and if SoW is released come back.
Why all this stress?
I really cannot understand why Oleg and anyone else is obliged to any of us for anything.
If we can't follow his steps, let's not.

It'll be done when it's done...if it's done - that's all.

[Chivas]

Chivas,

I've been following too the development, being a customer of Oleg since 2001. Sorry to say that, but we've always been misinformed. We have been deceived on development progress, PC spec dates, updates frequency, release dates.
The forum should be the main place to get updates; I pop in this forum every other day, and the first thing I see is the 12-31-2008 on the right of "Oleg News"... 5 months with no or little info, and running ...

Let's wait however for the SimHQ interview, and see which other release date we'll be given ...

Regards,
Insuber

I doubt very much that we have been knowingly misinformed and decieved by the developers. They've had hopes that the project would be completed by a certain time and expressed those hopes to us. Unfortunately plans changed and there are ALWAYS a multidude of roadblocks and delays when creating something new. It would have been better had he not mentioned SOW at all, atleast until the project was closer to completion. He would have had to indure far less insults on the forums.

[Tree_UK]

True, they should not of mentioned the dedicated SOW website either, that was a clanger and system spec's in May, it led people to believe that the sim was near completion when of course most of us knew it was miles off.

[Tvrdi]

Chivas,

I pop in this forum every other day, and the first thing I see is the 12-31-2008 on the right of "Oleg News"... 5 months with no or little info, and running ...


Isnt that insulting? He (or a boy form his team) could post some of the screenies in 5 months...at least for the hardcore fans...

[Insuber]

I doubt very much that we have been knowingly misinformed and decieved by the developers. They've had hopes that the project would be completed by a certain time and expressed those hopes to us. Unfortunately plans changed and there are ALWAYS a multidude of roadblocks and delays when creating something new. It would have been better had he not mentioned SOW at all, atleast until the project was closer to completion. He would have had to indure far less insults on the forums.

You're perfectly right on one thing, the issue started when SoW plans where communicated, forums opened, and commitments taken on certain points. We customers have sensitive antennas, and elephant's memory.

We didn't ask for SoW. We didn't ask for SoW teasers in the 1946 DVD, back in 2006, nor for system specs in summer 2008, nor for an update every 2 weeks, nor a dedicated website. And everyone here understands the delays on a complex and innovating project. No problems on that, Oleg keep up the good work !!!! Nobody here is saying "come on Oleg, release it!".

But if we ask for more frequent updates, as he himself committed to, is that an insult ? I doubt. We ask indeed for respect, the respect due to the public when public commitments are taken. How more acceptable to say "Hey chaps don't expect any news for the next 6 months".

Then as someone said, life continues, Il2 is still alive and kicking, DCS: BS and RoF are out there to calm our sim appetite. Me and you have more hobbies than time to do them ...

Regards,
Insuber

[flyingbullseye]

Don´t you think it will be a shame if two next generation sims are released too close of each other?
Let´s go to Rise of Flight, I´m pretty confident we will still exploring this new sim when SOW arrives in a year or so.
No need to be anxious about it.
This market is so tiny, we have to take advantage from every new release.

Why would it be a shame if two next gen sims are released close to each other? All the better for the public and just might push the devs more to develop a better product when there is good competition. The only way to grow the market is to release good sims that will make people to want to go out and buy it. With more choices that can allow the market to grow nad improve. Why limit yourself?

Flyingbullseye

[666th_VIKING]

I have been browsing the thread, and have been so compelled to say something that I have just registered to do so. Not done this before but anyway here goes.
My Son and I had the good fortune to meet Oleg a few years ago at a Flight Sim Convention held at the Pleasure Beach in Blackpool. At the time he was about to launch Pacific Fighters (so that gives an idea of how long ago).
I discovered a very shy but clever and really nice sensitive guy (he gave a lot of time to showing my lad how to land on an aircraft carrier in his new game - If you are reading this Oleg, do you remember we got a photo with you:cool:). He also came across as a guy quietly very proud of what he has already achieved and of the following he had accumulated waiting on his every breath in producing his proposed masterpiece. He obviously wants Battle of Britain to be his greatest achievment and thereafter Legacy to Flight Simulation - something to remember him by, and raising the bar for many many years into the future.
Being mindful of the importance in history that the Battle of Britain played in creating a turning point in what was fast becoming an overwhelming onslaught, his focus is upon getting it as right as possible before he releases it, and not just throwing out a cheap mish mash flight sim that disappoints all of his followers. He has already set himself a very high bar to jump over as a result of the quality and accuracy of the Il 2 series. He just wants his new creation to be a quantum leap on what he has already done.
I am sure he has been deeply hurt with some of the more negative comments whilst he is doing his best to satisfy his adoring public, it is likely that he has deliberately turned aside from comments good and bad, in order to focus on completing his masterpiece (because as soon as he responds to one enquirer or critic, it is the "foot in the door" opening the floodgates once more where he will feel obliged in fairness to once again begin answering others and then others, having answered that first person - he is that type of guy). I am sure he is concious that the project has been going on so long, and I think he will already feel bad about letting us all down in not getting it out onto the shelves sooner. When reviewing the steadily increasing band of those loosing faith in him and of the game ever being produced, he may well be feeling he has let us all down and is too embarrassed to respond because he would find it so hard to explain the intricacies of what is stalling completion of the game.
Lets all cut the guy some slack. As soon as it hits the streets, I am sure all will forget about all of the frustrations, particularly if it is released as a game that works properly from the start and does not need rapidly released patches in order to get the shelf bought item to flicker into life (a factor which is becoming more common in recent times with some game releases with crashes to desktop, freezes and distorted or offset graphics rendering them initially a waste of money, and raising questions about quality control in the respective companies).
Oleg has done us proud in the past with ALL of his releases, I am sure that B of B will be no lesser achievement if we just let him and his team get on with it and launch it when its quality says it is ready to be released. I await it just as eagerly as everyone else.;)

[KG26_Alpha]

Some sense at last thank you for the time you took to post :)

[SlipBall]

I have been browsing the thread, and have been so compelled to say something that I have just registered to do so. Not done this before but anyway here goes.
My Son and I had the good fortune to meet Oleg a few years ago at a Flight Sim Convention held at the Pleasure Beach in Blackpool. At the time he was about to launch Pacific Fighters (so that gives an idea of how long ago).
I discovered a very shy but clever and really nice sensitive guy (he gave a lot of time to showing my lad how to land on an aircraft carrier in his new game - If you are reading this Oleg, do you remember we got a photo with you:cool:). He also came across as a guy quietly very proud of what he has already achieved and of the following he had accumulated waiting on his every breath in producing his proposed masterpiece. He obviously wants Battle of Britain to be his greatest achievment and thereafter Legacy to Flight Simulation - something to remember him by, and raising the bar for many many years into the future.
Being mindful of the importance in history that the Battle of Britain played in creating a turning point in what was fast becoming an overwhelming onslaught, his focus is upon getting it as right as possible before he releases it, and not just throwing out a cheap mish mash flight sim that disappoints all of his followers. He has already set himself a very high bar to jump over as a result of the quality and accuracy of the Il 2 series. He just wants his new creation to be a quantum leap on what he has already done.
I am sure he has been deeply hurt with some of the more negative comments whilst he is doing his best to satisfy his adoring public, it is likely that he has deliberately turned aside from comments good and bad, in order to focus on completing his masterpiece (because as soon as he responds to one enquirer or critic, it is the "foot in the door" opening the floodgates once more where he will feel obliged in fairness to once again begin answering others and then others, having answered that first person - he is that type of guy). I am sure he is concious that the project has been going on so long, and I think he will already feel bad about letting us all down in not getting it out onto the shelves sooner. When reviewing the steadily increasing band of those loosing faith in him and of the game ever being produced, he may well be feeling he has let us all down and is too embarrassed to respond because he would find it so hard to explain the intricacies of what is stalling completion of the game.
Lets all cut the guy some slack. As soon as it hits the streets, I am sure all will forget about all of the frustrations, particularly if it is released as a game that works properly from the start and does not need rapidly released patches in order to get the shelf bought item to flicker into life (a factor which is becoming more common in recent times with some game releases with crashes to desktop, freezes and distorted or offset graphics rendering them initially a waste of money, and raising questions about quality control in the respective companies).
Oleg has done us proud in the past with ALL of his releases, I am sure that B of B will be no lesser achievement if we just let him and his team get on with it and launch it when its quality says it is ready to be released. I await it just as eagerly as everyone else.;)



Well said, and I can't agee more...as far as the "hurt" I'm sure that's why he post as little as possible. But on the other hand we are eager for information and we admire him so. That's why we all check in here for the latest or any news.

[robtek]

True, they should not of mentioned the dedicated SOW website either, that was a clanger and system spec's in May, it led people to believe that the sim was near completion when of course most of us knew it was miles off.

As a matter of fact, you, as almost everybody else in this forum, "know" or "knew" nothing when and in what form SoW:BoB (as it is still called at this time) will hit the market.
So please stop to induce your thoughts as facts here.
BoB:Sow will come... and if it doesn´t comes for whatever reason the world will still turn, or maybe not, that might be one of the reasons :-).
Live, as it is, must be viewed pessimistic enough. Most of us dont need additional input.

Btw, always when i read the thread title there is one automatic answer that pops up: You can request all what you want, that doesn´t mean that you get it.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

I have been browsing the thread, and have been so compelled to say something that I have just registered to do so. Not done this before but anyway here goes.
My Son and I had the good fortune to meet Oleg a few years ago at a Flight Sim Convention held at the Pleasure Beach in Blackpool. At the time he was about to launch Pacific Fighters (so that gives an idea of how long ago).
I discovered a very shy but clever and really nice sensitive guy (he gave a lot of time to showing my lad how to land on an aircraft carrier in his new game - If you are reading this Oleg, do you remember we got a photo with you:cool:). He also came across as a guy quietly very proud of what he has already achieved and of the following he had accumulated waiting on his every breath in producing his proposed masterpiece. He obviously wants Battle of Britain to be his greatest achievment and thereafter Legacy to Flight Simulation - something to remember him by, and raising the bar for many many years into the future.
Being mindful of the importance in history that the Battle of Britain played in creating a turning point in what was fast becoming an overwhelming onslaught, his focus is upon getting it as right as possible before he releases it, and not just throwing out a cheap mish mash flight sim that disappoints all of his followers. He has already set himself a very high bar to jump over as a result of the quality and accuracy of the Il 2 series. He just wants his new creation to be a quantum leap on what he has already done.
I am sure he has been deeply hurt with some of the more negative comments whilst he is doing his best to satisfy his adoring public, it is likely that he has deliberately turned aside from comments good and bad, in order to focus on completing his masterpiece (because as soon as he responds to one enquirer or critic, it is the "foot in the door" opening the floodgates once more where he will feel obliged in fairness to once again begin answering others and then others, having answered that first person - he is that type of guy). I am sure he is concious that the project has been going on so long, and I think he will already feel bad about letting us all down in not getting it out onto the shelves sooner. When reviewing the steadily increasing band of those loosing faith in him and of the game ever being produced, he may well be feeling he has let us all down and is too embarrassed to respond because he would find it so hard to explain the intricacies of what is stalling completion of the game.
Lets all cut the guy some slack. As soon as it hits the streets, I am sure all will forget about all of the frustrations, particularly if it is released as a game that works properly from the start and does not need rapidly released patches in order to get the shelf bought item to flicker into life (a factor which is becoming more common in recent times with some game releases with crashes to desktop, freezes and distorted or offset graphics rendering them initially a waste of money, and raising questions about quality control in the respective companies).
Oleg has done us proud in the past with ALL of his releases, I am sure that B of B will be no lesser achievement if we just let him and his team get on with it and launch it when its quality says it is ready to be released. I await it just as eagerly as everyone else.;)

Hear, Hear. The voice of reason hath spoken. Its the doom mongers and Nay sayers whos voices are generally heard louder........because they are generally rude, sarcastic and tiresome individuals......insufferable bores with clearly nothing better to do but snipe and criticise. Not an Oleg sycophantic fanboy, just an appreciative customer who has faith in his and his teams abilities. But some folk are never happy, so let it be.

"Reality is that part of the imagination we all agree upon". The proof will be in the pudding, and I have no doubt jaws will drop, they are the best in the business, hands down. Leave the creative "expert" extrapolation, conjecture, and omniscient observations to the moaners. They are legion.

It will be out when its out. Sheesh! :)

[Tree_UK]

As a matter of fact, you, as almost everybody else in this forum, "know" or "knew" nothing when and in what form SoW:BoB (as it is still called at this time) will hit the market.
So please stop to induce your thoughts as facts here.
BoB:Sow will come... and if it doesn´t comes for whatever reason the world will still turn, or maybe not, that might be one of the reasons :-).
Live, as it is, must be viewed pessimistic enough. Most of us dont need additional input.

Btw, always when i read the thread title there is one automatic answer that pops up: You can request all what you want, that doesn´t mean that you get it.

Your right, i dont know when SOW will hit the market, but i do know when it wont, and it wont be this year. I am really sorry to be pessimistic, but you must learn to deal with it at your age.

[danjama]

That was a great post up there and i agree whole heartedly, although i wish Oleg wouldn't feel bad, he has no reason to, and owes not one of us a thing.

[666th_VIKING]

Danjama,
I am not saying that Oleg IS feeling bad. I was putting myself in his shoes, having what I believe to be a small understanding of the guy from one meeting, and saying I can understand if he does feel that way after all of the negative comments.
I really need a new desktop computer, but I have been waiting until I get an idea of what spec will be needed to give the best performance just like many others I suspect, before I buy another. So, this is why I am just as eager as everyone else, but as I said, it will come when it is done.:)
In the meantime fellow flight simmer's "Keep the Faith!!!" it will be worth it.

[Novotny]

Bumping this up because there are some superb replies here. I'm very pleased that, for the most part, this thread is a polite discussion of how much people want to know stuff!

Since it's begun there HAS been some info from Oleg, though I'll dare to say it's not a lot (my own opinion). I for one am very appreciative of any info regardless of daisys!

maybe I'd just like to say that I do appreciate any updates primarily because it reassures me you are still working on it, it will still happen.

Lots of love and happiness to all

[proton45]

Bumping this up because there are some superb replies here. I'm very pleased that, for the most part, this thread is a polite discussion of how much people want to know stuff!

Since it's begun there HAS been some info from Oleg, though I'll dare to say it's not a lot (my own opinion). I for one am very appreciative of any info regardless of daisys!

maybe I'd just like to say that I do appreciate any updates primarily because it reassures me you are still working on it, it will still happen.

Lots of love and happiness to all

I'm sure that Oleg is glad to hear that we all want to know more...even if it is a little obvious to begin with.

[Thunderbolt56]

So, if Oleg continues to get the "bad-mouth" from forum posters and criticized for not delivering on "promises" ("...but Oleg said he was going to give me an update! WaaaAAAAaaaa..."), then he probably won't come around as much?

Go figure.


Thanks Viking. ;)

[Novotny]

Well that was kind of the point of me making this thread, to politely ask for info or acknowledgement; not to be pushy or ungrateful but rather to hopefully engage with Oleg.

There's a post on the Sukhoi forums that Oleg made recently in Russian which was highlighted on the SimHQ forums, however I have enough trouble with my native english nevermind translating that! Did attempt to use Google translate but the interpretation was rubbish.