SoW specifications

[Tigertooo]

I know it's too early officialy, i know this thread wont give me an official answer,above all i dont want to rush things.
But as i am going for ROF that will come out before SoW, i want to do a serious upgrade on my OS rather soon, but it would be handsome to have a clue to what standards i should upgrade my PC for ROF and for SoW as well, as i will go for SoW as well, obviously.
Is there some "unofficial" point of view?Are there some serious ,unofficial ideas on this matter,from people who have much more knowledge on future hardware than i have?
Only wondering, no need for discussions:cool:only serious answers
Thanks

[Chivas]

Since ROF is optimised for multicore cpus and a quad core cpu runs ROF 40% faster than a dual core then the newest Intel cpus should be a very good choice. Especially with the new 1366 socket as you will have upgrade path for next generation Intel cpus that will use the 1366 socket.

Here is a link to a high end computer guide at Sharkyextreme
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MHGSBG/article.php/3806051

[JG52Uther]

a quad core cpu runs ROF 40% faster than a dual core ]

Never knew that!

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

I know it's too early officialy, i know this thread wont give me an official answer,above all i dont want to rush things.
But as i am going for ROF that will come out before SoW, i want to do a serious upgrade on my OS rather soon, but it would be handsome to have a clue to what standards i should upgrade my PC for ROF and for SoW as well, as i will go for SoW as well, obviously.
Is there some "unofficial" point of view?Are there some serious ,unofficial ideas on this matter,from people who have much more knowledge on future hardware than i have?
Only wondering, no need for discussions:cool:only serious answers
Thanks

Yeah, like Chivas said go for quad core if you are making a serious upgrade, Oleg has already stated in the PC Pilot interview that SOW will definitely utilise the technology, so looking good. I bought a Corei7 940 in November last year and I am very happy with it......Runs DCS Black Shark fantastic too. Great to see that developers are now making a serious effort to use their potential, another example is the RTS game "Empire:Total War", It was a little bit of a gamble buying the Corei7 in retrospect, but it has paid off :)

[Feathered_IV]

A 2010 calendar or greater will be necessary to run SoW. :-P

[Tree_UK]

A 2010 calendar or greater will be necessary to run SoW. :-P

+1 :):)

[Bobb4]

+2

Oh, that is the funniest thing I have read on these threads in a while.
Sadly he is most likely right

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

+2

Oh, that is the funniest thing I have read on these threads in a while.
Sadly he is most likely right

Oh yee of little faith!!! Hehehe :) Yes, I too eagerly await the arrival of the 24 core Codename "Behemoth".....powered by nuclear fusion, cooled with liquid Nitrogen and requiring a legion of miniature computer Elves to install........ :shock:

[Tvrdi]

Since ROF is optimised for multicore cpus and a quad core cpu runs ROF 40% faster than a dual core ......

absolutely not true...I asked one of the Neoqb guys about that and he said ROF is optimised ONLY for c2duo (dual cores)....btw, new chipset could be easily an old one soon....i7 is not better for gaming than c2duo....

heres what they told us, for smooth play at 1680x1050 you will need:

c2duo 2,8 Ghz (lets say E8400 on stock is more than enough, overclocked even better)
Ati Radeon 4850 or Nvidia 9800GTX/GTX+ (for 24" monitors and 1920 res ill choose 4870 or GTX260)
3-4 gigs of RAM
app. 6 Gigs of free HDD space
Access to the Internet: At least 512 Kb/s ( opp. I think 2mbps would be optimal)

[hedge]

absolutely not true...I asked one of the Neoqb guys about that and he said ROF is optimised ONLY for c2duo (dual cores)

According to VikS, the more cores the better. Here it is, straight from the horse's mouth:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2678817/2.html

Hedge

[tagTaken2]

But as i am going for ROF that will come out before SoW, i want to do a serious upgrade on my OS rather soon,
Thanks

I'd wait for RoF to actually come out, I think (hope!) that it should be out within two months?

For example, yesterday morning I would have thought dualcore was probably better, now it's definitely quadcore. It's good that they're telling us, but if it will be out shortly it might be better to wait and be sure.
SoW could be a looooong time, perhaps even an upgrade away, less of a factor for me.

[Chivas]

absolutely not true...I asked one of the Neoqb guys about that and he said ROF is optimised ONLY for c2duo (dual cores)....btw, new chipset could be easily an old one soon....i7 is not better for gaming than c2duo....

heres what they told us, for smooth play at 1680x1050 you will need:

c2duo 2,8 Ghz (lets say E8400 on stock is more than enough, overclocked even better)
Ati Radeon 4850 or Nvidia 9800GTX/GTX+ (for 24" monitors and 1920 res ill choose 4870 or GTX260)
3-4 gigs of RAM
app. 6 Gigs of free HDD space
Access to the Internet: At least 512 Kb/s ( opp. I think 2mbps would be optimal)

MY statement was Absolutely True...

Posted by =FB=VikS at 06:54 AM April 24th 2009 at SimHQ ROF forum

"ROF have separated threads architecture, so two/four cores will work. Actually we have exact numbers of trials of core duo vs core quad, and core quad works 30-40% faster than core duo with ROF."

Also you have an upgrade path with the new Core I7 1366 socket that the next generation Intel cpus will use. Your upgrade path is basicly dead if you stay with dual core 775 socket.

The system that you suggest will run ROF fine but if your building a new system why not build something that will run ROF and SOW better with some future proofing.

[SlipBall]

"ROF have separated threads architecture, so two/four cores will work. Actually we have exact numbers of trials of core duo vs core quad, and core quad works 30-40% faster than core duo with ROF."



I like to get a look at those number's if possible, I'll go look around at the Sim HQ

[Tvrdi]

i will check this with the team....btw, which CPUs they compared? Its not the same quad i7 920 on 2,4 Ghz and 8500 c2duo overclocked at 4 Ghz......btw, the higher the resolution the less impact CPU has on the performance....


EDIT: argh now i saw Viks post at simhq...how I missed that post....shh....anyway my info is older so...amazing, ROF is using 4 cores....but still thers not mention of which quad is better of which c2duo.....and at what speed and resolution...

[Forgottenfighter]

Lets not forget about the Core i5 which should be out in March I think, we're talking 8 cores now.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Lets not forget about the Core i5 which should be out in March I think, we're talking 8 cores now.

Yes, but much the same as the i7.....there are not 8 "real cores", 4 are virtual. They look good too though, I think Tomshardware has some benchmarks on them which I will read up on when I get the time.....interesting stuff. There will always be something bigger and better though, and corei7 can probably be best described as evolutionary rather than an outright paradigm shift. The fact remains that in terms of raw processing power, core for core....they are the fastest things out there at the moment (abeit in synthetic benchmarks) and with the increasing trend of developers making apps multi-threaded it bodes well, hence my recommendation. I can only speak from experience and whilst it is true when Tvrdi says the core duo will perform many apps just as well if not better, AT PRESENT it is not likely to remain as so....if Oleg is saying SOW will certainly take advantage of Quad core, then it would be reasonable to assume a quad of whatever ilk would outperform a duo.

The corei7 "rapes" DCS black shark metaphorically speaking, which is very demanding.....and I am confident due to that SimHq post it will run ROF very well too.

Peace out.

[Chivas]

It mostly depends if the game uses the extra cores. Very few present games are programmed for multicore use so a higher clocked dual core would always perform better. ROF and SOW will be programmed for multicore cpus, so the best upgrade path would be a quad core on a newer socket for atleast one upgrade path.

[Forgottenfighter]

The Gfx card will likely have a greater impact on performance than the CPU, though a good CPU is necessary so as to avoid bottlenecks. The GTX285 looks promising but I haven't read much about it yet, the GTX295 is too power hungry in my opinion. I think I will stick with a 9800GTX+ and a Q6600 until there are some major breakthroughs.

[Chivas]

The Gfx card will likely have a greater impact on performance than the CPU, though a good CPU is necessary so as to avoid bottlenecks. The GTX285 looks promising but I haven't read much about it yet, the GTX295 is too power hungry in my opinion. I think I will stick with a 9800GTX+ and a Q6600 until there are some major breakthroughs.


Il-2 has always been very cpu intensive, I don't see that changing in SOW. Especially now that the SOW software will use multicore cpus effectively. I recently upgrade my 7900GTX gpu for another Nvidia XFX GTX260-216 Black edition and seen no increase in fps unless I went to higher resolutions. I see a much greater increase in fps when overclocking my cpu from 3 gigs to 3.8.

[Forgottenfighter]

That is a fair point Chivas, and you're probably right, but Sow Bob will have textures with four times the resolution of Il2 textures, aircraft will have 5 times the polygon count and there will be other things such as shadows in the cockpit which will be renedered in real time, based on the position of the sun etc. These tasks will be Gpu intensive, and there is no way that the likes of a 7900GTX will handle that, you should definately see the extra power of the GTX260 with Sow Bob. Like I said in my last post, it will be important to have a good CPU also. The CPU will have to handle things such as the flight model (I assume), radar, AI etc.

[Tree_UK]

Il-2 has always been very cpu intensive, I don't see that changing in SOW. Especially now that the SOW software will use multicore cpus effectively. I recently upgrade my 7900GTX gpu for another Nvidia XFX GTX260-216 Black edition and seen no increase in fps unless I went to higher resolutions. I see a much greater increase in fps when overclocking my cpu from 3 gigs to 3.8.

100% correct Chivas, i have 2 X GTX285 cards running in SLI and have seen no fps increase than when i had my 2 X 8800GTX cards. The only significant increase i have seen is when i have overclocked, like you i am running my quad core at 3.8ghz.

[Tigertooo]

pfff... and i thought i asked a simple question:o
anyway thanks for the replys so far chaps, i still have to learn a lot...
One more question: could i do a serious upgrade now with what is on the market right now,and with a fair chance to play SOW comfortably when it comes out, or should i wait for the release of official specifications?
Of course any reply to my question and what i will do in the end is only my responsability, i just wanted advise from chaps who know mare about it then i do
Thanks again

[Tree_UK]

Well, personally i would wait, we all have seen how much technology has moved on since Oleg first mentioned that he expected SOW to be released in Q4 2007, If we had all purchased new PC's then we would be well out of sync. I cannot for the life of me see that this game will be released this year, some say i am pessimistic i think i am simply 'realistic'. We will certainly have a new generation of CPU's and GPU's by this time next year and i would wager that would be an approximate time for an SOW release, or though i would be very very happy to be wrong.:):)

[Chivas]

I agree with Tree, you should wait atleast until ROF comes out. The specs required to run SOW may come out about the same time as ROF is released. With solid info on ROF requirements and suggested specs for SOW you should be able to make a more informed choice.

[Chivas]

That is a fair point Chivas, and you're probably right, but Sow Bob will have textures with four times the resolution of Il2 textures, aircraft will have 5 times the polygon count and there will be other things such as shadows in the cockpit which will be renedered in real time, based on the position of the sun etc. These tasks will be Gpu intensive, and there is no way that the likes of a 7900GTX will handle that, you should definately see the extra power of the GTX260 with Sow Bob. Like I said in my last post, it will be important to have a good CPU also. The CPU will have to handle things such as the flight model (I assume), radar, AI etc.


I agree Forgottenfighter, SOW will also require the best gpu/gpus along with multicore cpus if you want to turn on most of the bells and whistles of SOW and ROF. The best advice is give yourself atleast one cheaper upgrade path. You usually only get one upgrade chance as the cpu sockets and memory change to often. If SOW is successfull we will be upgrading many times over the life of the series.

[Tigertooo]

Thank you gentlemen, much obliged.
I'll wait :rolleyes:

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Thank you gentlemen, much obliged.
I'll wait :rolleyes:

"Waiting for Godot".....Hehehe :). Thing is, I couldn't afford to wait since my old rig was dying on me and there are other good sims out there too......Bottom line is, I'm not going to base my entire life around one sim (which I am admitedly looking forward to), as I use my computer for other things too (like keeping a roof over my head/work for example lol).

Each to their own........;)

[Thunderbolt56]

Here ya go: http://wwiaircombat.com/games/rise-of-flight

[llama_thumper]

is there any info on whether SOW is being built to take advantage of 64 bit systems (ie no limitation to 3 or 4 gigs of memory)?

i know ROF isn't, but haven't been able to find anything on this for SOW.

[llama_thumper]

no idea anyone?

[flyingbullseye]

no idea anyone?

No one really knows. Oleg has only mentioned briefly that SOW will use multi cpu's but that's about it. I'd guess the specs will be a little higher than ROF but that's only a guess. Rumor has it that the specs may be posted this spring or summer but take it with a grain of salt.

Flyingbullseye

[Tree_UK]

Hopefully we should know the spec's before Christmas.

[JG52Uther]

Hopefully we should know the spec's before Christmas.

But what Christmas? ;)

[SPUDLEY1977]

2011 of course haven't you read about it?

[virre89]

Well as long as we're not getting updates at events etc / trailers and gameplay videos it's rather safe to say the game is more than a year away, it won't just pop up for marketing and get released with in a month.

[Tree_UK]

+1

[SPUDLEY1977]

Note that in the two years since creating Oleg's official thread there have only been a couple of "updates" posted. All of which appear to only be a few rather simplistic images of objects. None of which show any real evolutions of the 3d work.

No videos to see how things work, or don't, or the fluidity, interplay of flight dynamics, weather, illumination, ground movement, ground object details, damage modelling, feel of movement and related details and functionality.

If you look at it on the whole, this appears rather suprising as much as the community which has emerged around IL-2 and participated in hundreds of thousands of speculums and thread postings.

If you want Specificulations...it will require a competent CPU and a robust videocard with some ram thrown labled with a couple G's. Four fans : case, powersupply, cpu, and vid card. You can take the above to the bank.

In addition it will be quite some time before we see any significant notifications from the developers and even longer till a final release.

[lbuchele]

Yup,I think the next 40% remaining work will be putting everything together in the 3D engine.
Another year of development seems possible.
It might not be a bad thing,because an additional year will bring much more powerful rigs available to us ,allowing a much better experience.

[Tree_UK]

Yeah, got admit its looking more like a 2011 release. Then again in December they were on about a dedicated SOW website, so who knows. I just take everything we hear about updates/news and divide it by 2 then add a pinch of salt and stick a couple of years on it.

[SPUDLEY1977]

"Yeah, got admit its looking more like a 2011 release. Then again in December they were on about a dedicated SOW website, so who knows. I just take everything we hear about updates/news and divide it by 2 then add a pinch of salt and stick a couple of years on it."

SR ARBOLES (TREE),
Purchasing a domain means what ? Precisely ...nothing...it is simply the forking over of a small payment to reserve a preferred URL. It is a prophylactic if you wish to prevent someone else of acquiring that exact domain name.

Now for some REAL information:
I saw Oleg the other day and he spent .25MM Rubles on a large delivery of Ceran Wrap, I nearly shat myself then he told me it was only about $7400 USD. Now that is undisputable proof that the game is complete, has been pressed, distribution network well greased (in a good way of course) and that FINALLY they are mailing out the SOW CD's in shrink wrap this weekend.

Oh happy day !

:)

PeaceS

PS we should toast the event with a partaking of some Courage and a Ploughmans.

[Hood]

Is there some "unofficial" point of view?Are there some serious ,unofficial ideas on this matter,from people who have much more knowledge on future hardware than i have?


The only answer, Mssr Tiger, is that no answer can be correct. With Oleg's intention to develop BoB and provide for years of expansion and/or integration with other software I'd expect him to use the very latest technology be it 2 cores or 4 cores. As with IL2 I'd expect the game to scale so it looks better and better as your computer gets upgraded over time.

Delay as long as you can and then get the best system or components that you can budget for. Or even better, buy under your budget so you can upgrade again sooner. What you get isn't so important, as long as the components complement each other. The true test is whether or not the game runs smoothly with graphics settings that you are happy to accept.

Failing that, sit in a cafe admiring pretty girls while you sip your cafe creme and dream of being in that bright blue sky dancing with death amongst the silver'd clouds.

[Tigertooo]

Thank you for your reply Hood.
For some reason i think we know each other.
Anyway, come to that café and i'll by you a café crème aswell.