Realism&Balance

[MOH_Hirth]

I have a sugestion to SOW and IL-2 too(4.09), auor comunity like realism, but we understand, this is a game for all people, so what 1C think about do 4/5 keys for FM/GUNs/velocity/aceleration, off course compatible only in same option, like is in settings on line.

"Balanced"
"Technical data Realistic"
"Uber LuftWaffe"
"Born in USA"

This can make a lot of fans very happy.

[ElAurens]

Never.

Gonna.

Happen.

Be.

Sure.

[MOH_Hirth]

Dont be so pessimist, is a true sugestion, a very important detail for all people really like IL-2 and SOW, they know sucess of game is listen sugestions, let joyces for your costumers.

[Feathered_IV]

SoW should be about realism.
Il-2 Birds of Prey can be about balance.

[Asheshouse]

But which version of reality should be adopted?

[Thunderbolt56]

Mine...

[ElAurens]

The only "realism" we can ever hope for is in the FMs and DMs to some extent.

You can never enforce the realism of say, US pilots being inexperienced and being shot down in droves by the Japanese in the first year or so of the war. Just as you cannot force late war "German" pilots to leave two thirds of their number on a server to stay on the ground to simulate lack of fuel, while the other third gets decimated in the air because they are teenage boys with less than 20 hours stick time in type.

It's like some US fan boys that say that some late war Japanese aircraft are overmodeled and want to restrict/ban that aircraft on a server, when what is overmodeled is the experience of those flying the J2M3, for example.

Re-creating historic outcomes with our little game is simply not possible, no matter how "accurate" the game/sim is.

;)

[Chivas]

But which version of reality should be adopted?

+1

[C6_Krasno]

The only "realism" we can ever hope for is in the FMs and DMs to some extent.

You can never enforce the realism of say, US pilots being inexperienced and being shot down in droves by the Japanese in the first year or so of the war. Just as you cannot force late war "German" pilots to leave two thirds of their number on a server to stay on the ground to simulate lack of fuel, while the other third gets decimated in the air because they are teenage boys with less than 20 hours stick time in type.

It's like some US fan boys that say that some late war Japanese aircraft are overmodeled and want to restrict/ban that aircraft on a server, when what is overmodeled is the experience of those flying the J2M3, for example.

Re-creating historic outcomes with our little game is simply not possible, no matter how "accurate" the game/sim is.

;)
It may be possible, but with a lot of AI, and few humans, so the outcome of the battles is hardly modified by the human input.

[JoeA]

+1
+2

[SlipBall]

I agree that "The only "realism" we can ever hope for is in the FMs and DMs"...The aircraft should be as they were... also would be nice to have to manage them correctly. Ban the "I" start, switch that fuel tank boy! or pay the price.:)

[Feathered_IV]

Ban the "I" start, switch that fuel tank boy! or pay the price.:)


And don't forget to go to oxygen, otherwise you won't live to tell the tale, I could of had him - If only I'd remembered to switch my guns to fire...

:-P

[6S.Manu]

And don't forget to go to oxygen, otherwise you won't live to tell the tale, I could of had him - If only I'd remembered to switch my guns to fire...

:-P

What about the Revi bulb?

[Feathered_IV]

Left shift + right ctrl + alt + B

It's fairly awkward to change one of those... ;)

[KG26_Alpha]

It's fairly awkward to change one of those... ;)



Left shift + right ctrl + alt + B+left arrow(unscrew)+right arrow(to screw in)

:grin:

[SlipBall]

1-Point to bulb with mouse

2-Rotate mouse slowly counter clockwise to remove the bulb, taking care not to damage or drop

3-reverse order to install new bulb with a clockwise motion-Caution! do not over tighten:-P

[ElAurens]

1- De select 'Gun Site Bulb Failure' in game options panel and enjoy the game.

;)

[KG26_Alpha]

1- De select 'Gun Site Bulb Failure' in game options panel and enjoy the game.

;)

You cant............ its a server option !!!

Night mission + random bulb failures .........

Unless you've installed the AAA torch/flashlight mod that works with TIR 20dof !!! :)

[ElAurens]

:lol:

[Skoshi Tiger]

Left shift + right ctrl + alt + B+left arrow(unscrew)+right arrow(to screw in)

:grin:

Remember <Ctrl> <G> <-> to remove flying gloves.

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

Dont forget delete key to empty underwear!

[II/JG54_Emil]

The only "realism" we can ever hope for is in the FMs and DMs to some extent.

You can never enforce the realism of say, US pilots being inexperienced and being shot down in droves by the Japanese in the first year or so of the war. Just as you cannot force late war "German" pilots to leave two thirds of their number on a server to stay on the ground to simulate lack of fuel, while the other third gets decimated in the air because they are teenage boys with less than 20 hours stick time in type.

It's like some US fan boys that say that some late war Japanese aircraft are overmodeled and want to restrict/ban that aircraft on a server, when what is overmodeled is the experience of those flying the J2M3, for example.

Re-creating historic outcomes with our little game is simply not possible, no matter how "accurate" the game/sim is.

;)

Well Oleg can
Q: In what ways will the Messerschmitt E-3 outperform the Spitfire?

A: In B&Z tactic and in experience of German pilots in the beginning of Battle.
http://www.simhq.com/_air8/air_265c.html

I hold for him that he thought about AI when he said this.

Seriously, realism should and be onlyaffect the flight-model, damage-model and the gun-model.

One could think about whether one should only allow a certain relation between blue and red pilots depending on year of war, lets say late war years 2/3 red or so. But that might suck game-wise.

[tagTaken2]

One could think about whether one should only allow a certain relation between blue and red pilots depending on year of war, lets say late war years 2/3 red or so. But that might suck game-wise.

It would be an option, surely, to set skill levels/availability with campaign.

"Historical settings"- something new for everyone to whinge about :)

[csThor]

One could think about whether one should only allow a certain relation between blue and red pilots depending on year of war, lets say late war years 2/3 red or so. But that might suck game-wise.

The day a lousy script/server setting decides which side I should fly on is the day this particular server ends on my "can be heartily ignored" list. The only times when I flew red (or allied) online were during mission file and spawn tests. When the sides are uneven I simply stay offline ...

The better (and IMO only) alternative is to make heavy use of AI on DF servers - to populate those aircraft few people fly but which should be really prominent instead of the ever-present fighters: bombers, recon, ground-attack aircraft and transports. In such an environment side balacing is not an issue. Nuff said ...

[Former_Older]

Never.

Gonna.

Happen.

Be.

Sure.

I agree with Terry

"Balance" is the antithesis of combat flight simulation. "Balance" is what makes historical accuracy worthless. "Balance" is the thing that ruins tactics. "Balance" has no place as a design philosophy in a simulation

[SlipBall]

I agree with Terry

"Balance" is the antithesis of combat flight simulation. "Balance" is what makes historical accuracy worthless. "Balance" is the thing that ruins tactics. "Balance" has no place as a design philosophy in a simulation



Amen brother...amen

[Insuber]

One could think about whether one should only allow a certain relation between blue and red pilots depending on year of war, lets say late war years 2/3 red or so. But that might suck game-wise.

IMHO you cannot so simply apply the broad picture statistics to the local events going on in our small scale maps. Local air superiority can be achieved almost independently from the overall situation: the bases of war tactics indeed regard how to achieve a local superiority by using in the best way the available resources. In our servers, with some 30 or 40 planes and a couple of airports, forcing a local superiority by default would be both unfair and incorrect.

Imho,
Ins