Most desired new AI aircraft....

[Fenrir]

Hello chaps,

With Team Daidalos telling us recently that they do listen to our requests when considering what content to put in the game I propose a poll to attempt to see which aircraft the community feel is most particularly missing from the game.

I have specified AI as it would mean more likelihood of inclusion, and as we have seen this often later leads to cockpit becoming available.

I have whittled down the long list in I hope an objective manner, based on time frame (post June 1941) and map restrictions - aircraft to suit only current maps will be considered.

Also looking at aircraft which served in significant to large quantities; this will rule out some of the more obscure prototypes and aircraft from smaller nations unfortunately, but I personally believe the requirement being able to make missions for maps we have even more authentic overrules novelty content. Feel free to disagree.

I can only post ten options (wanted 11 really!), and have tried to be even handed. If other selected please feel free to post which and why.

[DD_crash]

I can only post ten options (wanted 11 really!), and have tried to be even handed. If other selected please feel free to post which and why.
Hello Tom, the poll dont show so I cant vote :rolleyes:

[Fenrir]

Hello Tom, the poll dont show so I cant vote :rolleyes:

Try now me old mate ;)

[DD_crash]

B-26 is in the lead :) wouldnt mind the typhoon though.

[Treetop64]

One of the few annoying things that remain about this game is that fact that the Curtiss SB2C and Mitsubishi G3M never got included; two important and prolific types that saw widespread use all over the Pacific. Pacific scenarios are incomplete without them.

[shelby]

all of them

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Yes, all of them... and some more.

[Rodwonder]

I voted Ju-88C-6 but the B-26 is one of my favorite aircraft... All would be nice!

[JG601_Rommel]

I voted SB2C Helldiver !!!

[KG26_Alpha]

Voted other >

Do17 Z-2

And the Channel map to use it on please DT :)





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[Notorious M.i.G.]

He 100D.

I recall seeing screenshots of it under construction as a 3rd party model for FB back in the day, anyone have a clue what happened to that, or did it just vanish into the aether? I'd really love to see it ingame, *especially* flyable (but I doubt the latter will happen, if info on this plane is as scarce as I'm led to believe).

[IceFire]

He 100D.

I recall seeing screenshots of it under construction as a 3rd party model for FB back in the day, anyone have a clue what happened to that, or did it just vanish into the aether? I'd really love to see it ingame, *especially* flyable (but I doubt the latter will happen, if info on this plane is as scarce as I'm led to believe).

There is info but it should be fairly scarce. I remember looking into it at one point. My only beef with the He100 is that it's yet another type that didn't see any real combat (I believe the Heinkel factory defense squadron did scramble once or twice but I can't remember if anything came of that).

I voted for the Typhoon Mark IB. The type was instrumental with the invasion of Normandy seeing extremely heavy use both before and after that battle and would be very useful in nearly all Western Front scenarios featuring the RAF or combined Allied close air support.

I'd actually like to see both the Mark IB and IB Late with four bladed propeller. The car door old style canopy may be difficult so I'd settle for the bubble only version if we had to.

[ECV56_Guevara]

lysander!
but voted B-26

[shelby]

Beaufighter or Mosquito variants and Beaufort Mk.VIII or Type 440 Wellington B Mark X

[Sapper]

A Catalina would be nice.

[T}{OR]

The "Widowmaker", naturally.

[Monty_Thrud]

Phooon...PHOOOOON

TY

This is an ideal AC for FB 46, another of those forgotten and much used multi-purpose aircraft.

And theres only one left...vote PHOOOOON!

[beazil]

D520, Uhu or Me410. Any heinkel fighter would be welcome ie: he 112 or he 100. Thanks!

[Pursuivant]

D520, Uhu or Me410. Any heinkel fighter would be welcome ie: he 112 or he 100. Thanks!

He-112 is under development by a 3rd Party.

D520 was under development but was rejected by TD for not meeting standards (too many polygons, IIRC). No further word from the developer.

The D.520, He-219 and Me-410 are flyable as mods, although it would be great if they were to be official add-ons made to TD standards.

As with all add-on requests, it's as much a factor of what 3rd Party developers step up to do the work as anything else.

[andrea78]

Just a new-part-of-an-aircraft... flyable G.55! :grin:


The D.520, He-219 and Me-410 are flyable as mods, although it would be great if they were to be official add-ons made to TD standards.


The 219 is a great mod but still without a real cockpit :(

[Furio]

...Curtiss SB2C and Mitsubishi G3M... two important and prolific types that saw widespread use all over the Pacific. Pacific scenarios are incomplete without them.

I agree. No late war US carrier can be realistic with no Helldivers on the deck.

[RPS69]

French and british bombers at the begining, D520, Fokker G1, He112.
The Lockheed orion, or similar as british long range sea patrol.

More flying boats, the He115 for the murmansk run, the british short sunderland, etc.

But the types I'am still waiting for... TD's first proposal... night fighters with working radar... I'am tired of flying allways on sunny servers, and in full daylight. Night fights were a different scenario in itself.

Still, I still believe that playability variants are the most needed, not more aircrafts. The artillery observer, I believe right now it is a difficult job for TD, but you are almost there!!! :grin:

[RayVad]

Ooooooh, the Fokker G1 would be so nice to have! And then flyable as well!! yes, please!

[Pursuivant]

I agree. No late war US carrier can be realistic with no Helldivers on the deck.

Isn't the Helldiver under development? I though that I saw screenshots of it elsewhere on this forum.

[Woke Up Dead]

The Lancaster. We have three heavy AI US bombers already, two flyable Soviet heavies, but one of the most prolific bombers of the war is still missing. With only three gunner stations and lots of good pictures and information about it, it may even be easier to turn it into a flyable than the Pe-8.

[Buren]

I was really torn up between the Typhoon and the Helldiver -- in the end, I voted for the former (was a hard a decision), although I really hope we'll end up with both of them flyable before 2020! :-P

[Feathered_IV]

Lockheed Hudson for my vote. Went everywhere and saw it all. :cool:

[Wutz]

I would vote for the Short Sunderland, was also every where, and a real challenge for any fighter pilot!
http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/l.aspx?k=1012369

[fruitbat]

Typhoon would have to be my choice realistically, but i would so dearly love to fly a DeHaviland Hornet in a sim, even though its post war, and there is no relevant theatre for it.

Just think its the best looking prop plane i have ever laid eyes on, and had fantastic performance, and with its handed engines like the p38, must of been a joy to fly.

[TheGrunch]

Typhoon would have to be my choice realistically, but i would so dearly love to fly a DeHaviland Hornet in a sim, even though its post war, and there is no relevant theatre for it.

Just think its the best looking prop plane i have ever laid eyes on, and had fantastic performance, and with its handed engines like the p38, must of been a joy to fly.

It's called Il-2 1946 for a reason. :-P The Hornet is my favourite piston-engined twin for sure.

On a more practical note, I'd love a Westland Lysander, a Martin Maryland or Baltimore and a Wellington I or IC. :)

[Juri_JS]

All good suggestions, but I think the Ki-44 and the SB2C are absolute must-haves. It's incomprehensible that they weren't included in Pacific Fighters.

Moreover let's not forget, that we are still missing many important sub-types of aircraft we already have in the game. For example Bf-109G14AS, FW-190A 2/3; Ki-61-I-Tei, A6M3-22 or the numerous Beaufighter, P-38 and Bf-110 versions.

[Grach]

Difficult to choose. Ideally I'd like a Spitfire XIV or a Whirlwind.

I ended up voting for the Typhoon although the Ju-88C and SB2C would come 2nd & 3rd in the ranking.

[HarryM]

Ki-44 for me, then SB2C, Ki-48 Lily and Ki-49 Helen.

[Untamo]

S!

How about Ju-88 P-series? :) .. Well, I would want them as a flyable of course :)

[Macwan]

SB2C Helldiver to me, flyable if possible.
That would allow a great offline career as US Navy pilot.
Ki-44 would be cool too, with one or two chinese maps, actually.
As 'other', I'd say the Spit XIV or D520. :)

[CadMan]

How about a much used but almost forgotten light bomber operated by a number of airforces and used extensively in the Pacific

Lockheed Hudson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Hudson

And its big brother

Lockheed Ventura
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ventura

[horseback]

I voted for the Typhoon as it is the most obvious missing aircraft from the inventory, but I'd much rather get to fly a Spit XIVe, and if we were serious about the '46 part of the game's title, I'd really, really want an F8F Bearcat, but like the F4U-4, that will never happen.

Ki-44 Tojo would be my third choice.

The SB2C Helldiver seems like a good choice, but it was a vicious beast that was unpopular with the men who flew in them, especially the (enlisted) rear gunners, who all knew perfectly well that the war was already won and most of the missions they were flying weren't absolutely necessary. Apparently, nobody liked flying it. The last six months of the Pacific war, the Helldivers were either reduced in numbers or left off the carriers entirely when the Corsairs and Hellcats proved to be very nearly as effective in dive bombing and very useful in a kamikaze threat environment.

An accurate FM would make it one of the least-flown in Il-2.

cheers

horseback

[76.IAP-Blackbird]

I know its about AI planes but what about this great floatplane feature.

The flyable Arado or the He-115 but its to big and need alot of work for the stations. Or the PBY one of the planes for land and sea :grin:

[Wea0versd]

Pacific scenarios are incomplete without them.http://fulton.acswomen.com/01.jpghttp://fulton.acswomen.com/02.jpghttp://fulton.acswomen.com/03.jpghttp://fulton.acswomen.com/04.jpghttp://fulton.acswomen.com/05.jpg

[CzechTexan]

Vultee Vengeance and Ki-44 please.

[RegRag1977]

SB2C Helldiver to me, flyable if possible.
That would allow a great offline career as US Navy pilot.
Ki-44 would be cool too, with one or two chinese maps, actually.


What about a P51A with the chinese maps? I would not like the Ki44 to feel too lonely there :P

[JV44Priller]

I am slowly working on getting a newer Halifax Mk II,II(A), and III in IL-2.

[bf-110]

Japanese bombers and japanese transport planes.
British bombers - Lancaster,Stirling,Halifax.
Italian bombers - Piaggio P.108,SM 82

[Jumoschwanz]

I desire no new aircraft at all. None. Zip. When they show up in patches it is a nice surprise, but I don't lose sleep in anticipation of them or when they don't show up in the patch of the year. I am happy with whatever Santa or TD drops at my feet.

[jimdigris]

The official game imho is missing some important targets, oops I mean bombers

Lancaster, Halifax and Stirling

G3M Nell and Ki-49 Helen

and a not so important bomber but it would be nice to see, Heinkel He 177 Greif (Griffin)

And

[Tempest123]

My vote goes for more British bombers as well, Halifax, Lancaster etc. but I'm happy with whatever DT brings at this point. I dlike to see improvements to some of the older planes over having new ones, 4.12 really hit the nail on the head with the new effects and FMs .

[secretone]

The Typhoon and SB2C are interesting to me because they had some very bad qualities to accompany their virtues. It would be interesting to see if someone could model these good qualities along with the bad or even atrocious ones. With time these aircraft were modified and improved but the problems were never eliminated. I think that I would enjoy the challenge of learning to fly one of these flawed aircraft as effectively as possible and just survive a mission. If I want a "nice" mount there are already plenty in the game like the tempest, dauntless, spitfire ix, hellcat, p-40 and zero.

[sniperton]

What about British carrier-borne fighters? We only have the Seafire as flyable and the Fulmar as an AI. The Swordfish has no companion. A Sea Gladiator and a Sea Hurricane wouldn't be that hard to make on the basis of the existing models.

[VF-51_Cobraj]

SB2C Helldiver !

[gaunt1]

Too bad the Me-410 and the Tu-2 arent on the list!

[AG-51_Razor]

SB2C Helldiver!! Beast or Beauty, it was one of the most effective ship killers for the US Navy in the last year and a half of the war. It also went on to serve faithfully with the French and Greek navies long after the war ended.

[JtD]

Too bad the Me-410 and the Tu-2 arent on the list!The list is about new AI aircraft. Feel free to start another poll, I'd be curious.

[KU_Rigamortis]

Really, there are many important planes missing from the lineup and all have some value.

- Martin B-26 Marauder flew in Pacific, Med, and Western Europe. 5,288 built.

- Fairey Barracuda would be good to fill the gap in RN Fleet Air Arm in 1943. 2,607 built and had some good usage.

- SB2C Helldiver/A-25 Shrike (USN/USAAF). 7,140 built and had some good usage.

- KI-48 Lily. 1,997 built and played an important role in the Pacific and China.

- Lockheed Hudson (RAF, RCAF, RAAF, RNZAF, USAAF). 1938-1943. 2,941 built. Served in Europe and Pacific. Quite a few variants, would be a challenging build and might be able to mod into the IJA KI-56.

[ElAurens]

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/654/ipqp.jpg

The Lockheed PV-1 Ventura.

One of the most overlooked, yet widely used and important aircraft in the Pacific.

[AG-51_Razor]

PV-2 Harpoon was an ass kicker and smoke bringer also!!

But if you look at Rigamortis' figures, the Curtis Helldiver was by far, the most widely produced plane on his list.

Regardless of any of that that, it all boils down to what it is we each want to fly the most, not which one was the most historically significant, or which one had more airframes produced, or even which one contributed the most to its country's cause. It's all about which aircraft we want to fly in this sim the most. And for me, that would be the SB2C off an Essex class CV in the Pacific!!

[poiana44]

Hello everybody, I'm new here but I play IL-2 since 2003.
This is my humble list of the planes I would like to see in the game:
- SB2C helldiver
- Ki44 Tojo
-Short Sunderland
- B26
- Martin Maryland/Baltimore
-G3M "Nell"

Many of you mentioned many other planes,( BR20,He 177,He 219,ecc...). All the planes of WWII are important for their role, but is impossible see them for obvious reasons. Above I have listed some planes that I consider important for the historical background of the game. I would thank Team Daidalos for is wonderful work without which Il-2 would have been a dream with short wings.

P.S. Also Spitfire Mk I would be appreciated...Sorry for my english, I'm italian!

[Hatter]

Your English is perfect, much better than my Italian!

I agree, the SB2C is sorely missed.

[ElAurens]

As a self declared Curtiss Fanboy, I certainly would never say no to a Helldiver.

:cool:

[IceFire]

As a self declared Curtiss Fanboy, I certainly would never say no to a Helldiver.

:cool:

Helldiver would be so useful. We can't have the Avenger but at least we can use something other than the Dauntless in late matches.

[ElAurens]

Oh yeah.

Much faster than an SBD, better payload, and well, it just looks so, right.

http://imageshack.us/a/img337/251/sb2ccor839026fk3.jpg

[theelite1500]

I want to be able to play as the Typhoon, not have AIs using it.

I selected other, specifically the Lancaster for its Tallboys and Grand Slams. It would be neat to have those

[Woke Up Dead]

The PZL P-24 would be neat. A more modern, more powerful version of the P-11, sometimes armed with cannon. The Greeks used it with success against Italian fighters and bombers, and the Romanians had success with it against Soviet bombers and as a ground attack plane.

Some good info about the Greek PZLs here: http://greek-war-equipment.blogspot.ca/2011/05/1937-1941-pzl-p24.html and here: http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/The%20Greek%20PZL%20fighters.html

[iMattheush]

Yes, I think PZL P.24 can be an interesting part of 4.13m :)

[mazex]

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/654/ipqp.jpg

The Lockheed PV-1 Ventura.

One of the most overlooked, yet widely used and important aircraft in the Pacific.

And good looking too ;)

I'd list my desires like this (lots of bombers but the Typoon first please ;):

Typhoon - it's the ultimate brute...
Some early war British bomber like Blenheim, Hampden, Wellington
A-26 - I like twins and it also has a lovely sleek killing machine look
Any 4 engined western bomber out of B-17,B-24, Lancaster, Halifax
B-26 - Used a lot... And a handful to fly.
Whirlwind - well, not used much but it sure would be interesting to try!
EDIT - and the Catalina would be nice too talking twins...

Interesting reading up on the Ventura - there where many of them in service I realized!

Too bad it's so much work with bombers :)

[Igo kyu]

If rifle calibre machine guns are as relatively over performing as I suspect, the Lancaster is going to be a real fighter killer, with four in a turret in the tail and two other twin turrets (and similarly the Halifax and Sunderland).

[Ibis]

B26 for me, a widely used medium height bomber.

Used in Europe, the Med and the Pacific
the B-26 stated by the 9th Air Force as having the lowest loss rate in the European Theatre of Operations at less than 0.5%
By the end of World War II, it had flown more than 110,000 sorties and had dropped 150,000 tons (136,078 tonnes) of bombs, and had been used in combat by British, Free French and South African forces in addition to U.S. units. In 1945, when B-26 production was halted, 5,266 had been built.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_B-26_Marauder

[Riksen]

I agree with KG26_Alpha. Currently, il-2 has a ton of allied bombers and only a handfull of axis bombers. We need more german bombers for sure.

I also voted other and i would love to see the Do17 Z-2 and other variants of He-111.

[Pursuivant]

I agree with KG26_Alpha. Currently, il-2 has a ton of allied bombers and only a handfull of axis bombers. We need more german bombers for sure.

The major German bomber types are already represented, but there could be more variants - especially the Ju-88 and He-111.

I think that the He-177 is under development.

The Do-17 was on its way out when the war started. The Do-217 is more representative of the type, although the Do-17 would be a nice target for BoB scenarios.

What the Germans could really use is a flying boat or floatplane, like the Bv-137, Do-24 (also used by the KNIL in the Pacific) or He-115.

The nation that's really hurting for planes is France - just one fighter type and nothing else! They should at least have an early war version of the A-20 (the DB-7). There was so many good (and not so good, and truly terrible) French airplanes that never really got a chance to prove themselves due to the Blitzkrieg, but nobody seems to care about them.

[ElAurens]

+1 for the Do 24...

:cool:

[sniperton]

The nation that's really hurting for planes is France - just one fighter type and nothing else! They should at least have an early war version of the A-20 (the DB-7). There was so many good (and not so good, and truly terrible) French airplanes that never really got a chance to prove themselves due to the Blitzkrieg, but nobody seems to care about them.

Vichy France among Axis nations and a new Syria map would give us a chance to use (almost) all of them historically -- against the Allied.

[swiss]

Too bad the Me-410 and the Tu-2 arent on the list!

Or the the Focke-Wulf Fw 187.

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/germany/fw-187.jpg

[Fighterace]

The H6K Mavis

[*{64s}Saburo]

The H6K Mavis

+1 with the ki 44 tojo and ki 51 sonya....:-P

[Treetop64]

+1 with the ki 44 tojo and ki 51 sonya....:-P

...and the G3M Nell. :)

[mark_009_vn]

Trainers, liaisons, transports, recons... Those are the most needed types ATM... It seems particularly ridiculous that many countries (especially PTO) in the game don't even have a single dedicated recon or liaison planes even when they were made in droves... It is the same for transport, except for the LW, it does seems every nation field C-47 and it's derivatives exclusively for transport...

[yak9utpro]

th ju 390 with 6 engines and the yak9ut ns-45 version whould be nice

[Pursuivant]

It is the same for transport, except for the LW, it does seems every nation field C-47 and it's derivatives exclusively for transport...

This isn't unrealistic. It's hard to understate just how common and versatile the DC-3 and it's variants were. For example, statistically, it was the most common British transport aircraft during WW2, while the Li-2 was statistically the most common USSR type.

[sniperton]

This isn't unrealistic. It's hard to understate just how common and versatile the DC-3 and it's variants were. For example, statistically, it was the most common British transport aircraft during WW2, while the Li-2 was statistically the most common USSR type.

It's not unrealistic for the late war. But hostilities in Europe started in 1939. Are you sure that the situation was the same in the first 3 years?

[Furio]

Italian Regia Aeronautica had the SM82 Marsupiale from 1938, a transport so good that remained in service long after the war. But, if I’m not mistaken, Luftwaffe was the only air force with an appreciable number of cargo planes operational at the beginning of WWII.
RAF Transport Command was established on 25th March 1943. So, it’s true that there are allied transport types other than the C47/Dakota/Li2, but not many really significant ones.
I would be glad to have the Bristol Albermarle and the Vikers Valentia, but I can live without. A simplified B24, minus Norden and turrets, in theory could be converted into a C87 Liberator Express… That would be a great transport plane!

[Pursuivant]

It's not unrealistic for the late war. But hostilities in Europe started in 1939. Are you sure that the situation was the same in the first 3 years?

For the USSR, the Li-2 was the main transport type and the Soviets had a license to build it since before WW2.

Likewise, Japan had a license to build DC-3s before the war, and it was also the main purpose-built transport (although later the G3M was converted to being a transport).

Pre-WW2, the UK had a number of different civil transports built by British manufacturers, as well as a number of converted or unsuccessful bomber types used by the RAF. In the latter group, the Armstrong-Whitworth Albemarle was probably the most common and successful. If I had to choose one British-made transport plane as being representative, that would be it - especially since a few were used by the Soviets.

For the Italians, hands-down it would have to be the SM.82 as the choice for an Italian-built transport plane. This was an excellent plane which was also used by the Luftwaffe in significant numbers from 1943 on. It could also stand in for the Ju-252.