Hey TD ..! Another is this doable post!

[Bearcat]

Hey is it possible to be able to toggle the icon distances to feet or meters? As it is now they are set at meters if I am not mistaken.. I don't know how doable that is though... Sort of like a variant on the speedbar toggle..

[RPS69]

Hey is it possible to be able to toggle the icon distances to feet or meters? As it is now they are set at meters if I am not mistaken.. I don't know how doable that is though... Sort of like a variant on the speedbar toggle..

Man, get used on the metric system. The USA, is almost the last place on earth still officialy using imperials. The british are slowly accepting them, but for once changing anyway.

If you need converting so much just mentally multiply by 3. If you want precision, after mutliplying, add 10%. You may also multiply by 3.3

If you want it in yards, just multiply meters by 1.1, or add a 10%.

I agree that instruments on brittish and american aircraft are in imperials, but for using Icons, nowadays a mere offline activity, come on!

Still, I guess that the answer to your question, is undoubtedly, YES!... but in two weeks...

[IceFire]

While metric is ideal for me (unfortunately being stuck halfway between metric and Imperial and US) and that's how I play IL-2... from a historical standpoint since so many gunsights and cockpit systems use various measurement systems I think this is a pretty reasonable request.

If it were a modern day shooter then I think metric is the only way to go (and that tends to be represented in most if not all representations of those) but for a historical sim having distances on the icons show up in different measurement systems used at the time seems reasonable.

[Pursuivant]

Hey is it possible to be able to toggle the icon distances to feet or meters?

+1. I thought that this was already possible, but I guess that I was wrong.

[IceFire]

+1. I thought that this was already possible, but I guess that I was wrong.

Just the speed bar.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Should be aligned to speedbar setting then. :P

[horseback]

Man, get used on the metric system. The USA, is almost the last place on earth still officialy using imperials. The british are slowly accepting them, but for once changing anyway.

If you need converting so much just mentally multiply by 3. If you want precision, after mutliplying, add 10%. You may also multiply by 3.3

If you want it in yards, just multiply meters by 1.1, or add a 10%.

I agree that instruments on brittish and american aircraft are in imperials, but for using Icons, nowadays a mere offline activity, come on!

Still, I guess that the answer to your question, is undoubtedly, YES!... but in two weeks...You may not appreciate how hard it is to make the conversion to metric measures for the Brits and us Americans (who have the double penalty of our crappy basic educational system). I'm sure it was just as hard for your ancestors converting to metric a century or two ago, but it's hard to grow up in one system of weights, volume and measures and then convert to a new one, no matter how logical it is.

Y'know, I've been doing the math in my head ever since the late 1960s when I was swimming competitively in pools measured by yards for my high school team and then swimming in pools measured in meters for my AAU team during the summers, but metric isn't really 'real' to me. I just never got the same feeling of accomplishment from doing a 500m Freestyle in under 5:30 that I got from doing a quarter mile Free in under 4:15...

I can look at a piece of lumber and know instantly that it's an inch thick and about 6 feet long by about 15 inches wide, but I have to do the math in my head to get the metric equivalents--and even then, if I don't write them down, I'll have to do it all over again later. When I'm trying to do an acceleration comparison and noting the altitude variations between 10kph intervals, a climb or a drop of 30 m doesn't sound like much until I realize that hey, that's as high as a building at least eight stories high (no wonder I lost a second or two compared to the more level intervals in other runs)!

Have a little compassion for us ignoramuses.

cheers

horseback

[IceFire]

Should be aligned to speedbar setting then. :P

I think that's logical :)

[SuperEtendard]

I have the same 'feeling' that horseback has but in the oposite, from meter to feet, yard, mile :) ...

[MicroWave]

You may not appreciate how hard it is to make the conversion to metric measures for the Brits and us Americans (who have the double penalty of our crappy basic educational system). I'm sure it was just as hard for your ancestors converting to metric a century or two ago, but it's hard to grow up in one system of weights, volume and measures and then convert to a new one, no matter how logical it is.

Y'know, I've been doing the math in my head ever since the late 1960s when I was swimming competitively in pools measured by yards for my high school team and then swimming in pools measured in meters for my AAU team during the summers, but metric isn't really 'real' to me. I just never got the same feeling of accomplishment from doing a 500m Freestyle in under 5:30 that I got from doing a quarter mile Free in under 4:15...

I can look at a piece of lumber and know instantly that it's an inch thick and about 6 feet long by about 15 inches wide, but I have to do the math in my head to get the metric equivalents--and even then, if I don't write them down, I'll have to do it all over again later. When I'm trying to do an acceleration comparison and noting the altitude variations between 10kph intervals, a climb or a drop of 30 m doesn't sound like much until I realize that hey, that's as high as a building at least eight stories high (no wonder I lost a second or two compared to the more level intervals in other runs)!

Have a little compassion for us ignoramuses.

cheers

horseback
Don't worry about it. At least we have units of time in common.
Well, until someone decides that 24 hours per day makes no sense and we should introduce new hour unit which will be 10 new hours per day, 100 new minutes per new hour and 100 new seconds per new minute.

Of course, working hours will still be 8 new hours per day. So people can more easily adjust to new time measuring units.

[FC99]

Hey is it possible to be able to toggle the icon distances to feet or meters? As it is now they are set at meters if I am not mistaken.. I don't know how doable that is though... Sort of like a variant on the speedbar toggle..
Easiest would be to tie it to speedbar setting like in attached screenshots or to add it to config file settings.

[Bearcat]

That is exactly what I am talking about.. so is this coming or is it doable now? Also a way to set the default measurement.. so that say if I wanted it to stay in feet I could set a setting in the config so I would not have to changer it every time I get in a plane.. I thought there was a mod that did that that either you or Fireball did a while back.. I may be mistaken though.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Bearcat has his own 'Wishlist thread's... :twisted:

[Bearcat]

LoL.. I never looked at it that way.. I guess I didn't want to wish for something that was not doable.. so I wanted to find out if it was even doable.. :)

[FC99]

That is exactly what I am talking about.. so is this coming or is it doable now? Also a way to set the default measurement.. so that say if I wanted it to stay in feet I could set a setting in the config so I would not have to changer it every time I get in a plane.. I thought there was a mod that did that that either you or Fireball did a while back.. I may be mistaken though.
This can be added in first patch after 4.12. If this is tied to speedbar setting than units are automatically converted when you change speedbar setting to your likings.IIRC speedbar setting is rememberd so as long as you are using same speedbar setting, icons use same type of length units.

Better option would be to put this in config or in icons file, that way people could have different units in icons and speedbar.

[DD_crash]

Could the icon settings be done by a Gui? I know you can set stuff using console but a giu to set dot range, type would be usful for me.

[Bearcat]

I think that is in IL2 Stab.. or maybe the other one.. but one of them already has this .. so it shouldn't be too hard... TD's biggest problem is finding the time to do all this and still eat and keep a roof over their heads.. ... LOL

[Pursuivant]

Well, until someone decides that 24 hours per day makes no sense and we should introduce new hour unit which will be 10 new hours per day, 100 new minutes per new hour and 100 new seconds per new minute.

Decimal hours and months were part of the original metric system as proposed in 1799, but they were too radical to catch on, even for the French revolutionaries.

As to IL2, I'm another dumb American who's only semi-literate in metric measurements, but IL2 has helped me a lot!

I find it helpful to think of the range icons as units of approximately 100 yards.

Attested by my hand, Year 220, Decade 27, Prairal 25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar

[RPS69]

To horseback, I'am used to change imperials vs metric all the time.
I have to, I work with machinery that when being made on the states, they have all screws in imperials, and when they are european or asian, they use metric instead. I hate that, because it forces me to have tools for both standards.

Still I happen to calculate the conversions authomatically. Without thinking to much about it.

I agree that the relations in between inches, feets and yards, could become very practical on a hex map deploy, because of their base 3 nature. But miles, knots, galons, and all else, are just pure caos.

BTW to change the hours like someone else said, you must change the number of degrees defined for a circle, that is also base three... Somehow, putting a triangle into a circle is something very practical, and having a 10th base on degrees will become a problem for everybody.

And in general I appreciates bearcats posts, unless he asks for correcting .50s dispersion...

[majorfailure]

BTW to change the hours like someone else said, you must change the number of degrees defined for a circle, that is also base three... Somehow, putting a triangle into a circle is something very practical, and having a 10th base on degrees will become a problem for everybody.

Been there, tried it, din't (kinda) work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradian

Though for naviagtion it would have its benefits, and I'd think one could live with an equilateral triangle having 66and2/3° angles.

[Pursuivant]

I think that is in IL2 Stab.. or maybe the other one.. but one of them already has this .. so it shouldn't be too hard... TD's biggest problem is finding the time to do all this and still eat and keep a roof over their heads.. ... LOL

A GUI for the config.ini seems like a good third-party project, especially for a relatively inexperienced programmer.

I know that the option to change at least part of the config.ini using a GUI is available in IL-2 Manager PF, but it's getting very old and doesn't allow you to change all options. Another stand-alone product which alters config.ini using a GUI is IL2set, which is part of the IL2 game.

It would be cool if TD could actually integrate complete control of config.ini as a GUI interface within IL2 itself, but they've done so much to improve the GUI for 4.13 that it's possible that they've already done what we're wishing for.

My programming experience is incredibly old and BASIC (in more ways that one), but it's not that hard to allow editing of a text file database via a simple computer program. Likewise, it's also not that hard to get a computer program to report some piece of info as a text message or turn off messaging. Programming stuff to move realistically, or adding new functions to a program is the hard stuff. And bug-stomping is just an exercise in alternating frustration and tedium.

[Treetop64]

Don't worry about it. At least we have units of time in common.
Well, until someone decides that 24 hours per day makes no sense and we should introduce new hour unit which will be 10 new hours per day, 100 new minutes per new hour and 100 new seconds per new minute.

Of course, working hours will still be 8 new hours per day. So people can more easily adjust to new time measuring units.

Lol, be careful what you wish for! If you do all of that to change how clock time is scaled, then you'll have to change how maps and charts are scaled, too. The tick marks on the face of a watch and the tick marks on the grid of a chart go hand-in-hand, and fundamentally represent the same thing.

Then you'd have to completely reprogram GPS so that ships bringing iPhones from China don't get lost, so that teenagers don't become (more) psychotic. Argh! :lol: