il2 1946 4.08m vs radeon hd3850

[sanyigz]

Hi!

I have that videocard as in title, with 512mb ram, a64 x2 4400+, 2gb ddr2 800.
But i have poor fps in game. In the most of scenarios, i get maximum 50fps(what is not too high for this card), even if i turn down graphics to minimum, from maximum, and sometimes it drops below 20 fps, what is very annoying. But in some scenarios, like those single pacific island(there is a little island, japan base, and the usn attacking from aircraft carriers) carreer missions, my fps is between 30 and 10 fps, what is very low, if i set graphics to minimum, i can only get +10 fps, what is still not enough.

In opengl mode, this performance is more poor, so im playing in dx mode.

Sometimes it looks like it's slower than on my old athlon xp 3100+, 1gb ddr400, radeon9600pro config, what is really weird.

With my machine i can play oblivion, stalker, armed assault, with maximum setting, with 16AF, and with some aa, so i don't understand why il2 running so slow.

[flyingbullseye]

Do you have catalyst AI turned on? Make sure its off if otherwise. Check to make sure that you uninstalled the old driver, its a common mistake that's easy to overlook. Best thing to do is try the easy stuff first then work your way up. Good luck.

Flyingbullseye

[Zoom2136]

You got to remember that iL2 is more affected by your CPU speed then your videocard... So great video card combined with a low end CPU = low FPS... And great CPU with average GPU can equal high FPS...

I know their is a way to make iL2 run smoother on multicore CPU... its a value to set in the conf.ini file... I just don't remember which it is..

Finally, look up Coesties guide on how to setup ATI cards... this should yield some good improvement...

[sanyigz]

Now i turned off catalyst ai, then texture compression. Now it runs much better in opengl mode, but it's not enough yet. There are some checkboxes in setup, but i don't know what they're doing.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Hi!

I have that videocard as in title, with 512mb ram, a64 x2 4400+, 2gb ddr2 800.
But i have poor fps in game. In the most of scenarios, i get maximum 50fps(what is not too high for this card), even if i turn down graphics to minimum, from maximum, and sometimes it drops below 20 fps, what is very annoying. But in some scenarios, like those single pacific island(there is a little island, japan base, and the usn attacking from aircraft carriers) carreer missions, my fps is between 30 and 10 fps, what is very low, if i set graphics to minimum, i can only get +10 fps, what is still not enough.

In opengl mode, this performance is more poor, so im playing in dx mode.

Sometimes it looks like it's slower than on my old athlon xp 3100+, 1gb ddr400, radeon9600pro config, what is really weird.

With my machine i can play oblivion, stalker, armed assault, with maximum setting, with 16AF, and with some aa, so i don't understand why il2 running so slow.

There is a setting in your config file called Processaffinity... Make sure you delete the ; in front of it and set it to =0. If you go in there and have that ; the game is trying to run across both cores and it literally cuts your performance in half.

Not that you have the most powerful CPU in the world but it should be plenty for running this game.

What Resolution are you running in? Also you should be running this game in openGL as you will get better performance and given your card you should have no problems running in Perfect mode.

Given your description its not a Video card or driver issue. Your older 3100+ has no issue because its not dual core like your X2.

This should fix it

[IceFire]

Which driver version?

[=FI=Mikester]

Hi M8

I have the same card I think! HD3850 AGP 512?

I also get poor frames in il2 but even worse my frames jump from 50-60fps to 4fps every time it gets a bit busy! When I say a bit busy i meas 6-7 planes flying about. I originally thought it was my PSU so I bought a new corsair TX750. Still the same issue! Tried all different drivers and cleaned the drivers and reg as best possible. Tried all drivers available including driver that was just released on 26/08 this was even worse! Had issues installing driver and when forced it to install I got psychedelic colors. All chipset drivers are up-to-date MSI Neo2 plat ed. Only thing I've not tried is changing my bios. Even this was only updated 3-4 months ago. Currently using my old card until a driver is released that actually works or I'll send this card back claiming it's faulty. It's not though I've played BF2 with max settings 1280x1024 getting between 98-100fps.

also if I use the ATI traytool and try to underclock the card I get a BSOD claiming there's a prob with one of the ATI files. (happens with all drivers)

If I have any brake through i'll let you know.

This all looks to me like crap drivers or drivers not designed to play older games.

Mike

[sanyigz]

I set processaffinity, to 0 maybe there is a little more performance, but still the minimum fps is at 18fps in some pacific island carreer missions, what is very annoying when drops to it.
If i turn on shader 3 water, then the minimum fps drops more, to about 10 fps.
And if there are a lots of bullets flying near me (fe AA ship, or aircraft carrier ship anti aircraft defence), sometimes i can see various colored squares near the

I'm use catalyst 8.8.

I have pcie 3850

[IceFire]

If the mission involves a carrier and a defensive fleet around it firing at maximum firing capability (its possible in the mission builder to set how often ships will fire) then thats enough physics calculations to bring any CPU to their knees. At this point your graphics card is waiting around for the CPU to complete calculations...so the FPS drops.

Run the track called 'blackdeath.ntrk' and record the FPS start the finish. Write down the lows, average, and high. Let us know.

You have a slightly older CPU paired with a very fast graphics card. You're likely CPU constrained.

[JG27CaptStubing]

I set processaffinity, to 0 maybe there is a little more performance, but still the minimum fps is at 18fps in some pacific island carreer missions, what is very annoying when drops to it.
If i turn on shader 3 water, then the minimum fps drops more, to about 10 fps.
And if there are a lots of bullets flying near me (fe AA ship, or aircraft carrier ship anti aircraft defence), sometimes i can see various colored squares near the

I'm use catalyst 8.8.

I have pcie 3850

Okay another little trick is to turn off the 3dgunners... They eat up a ton of CPU and considering you're running an ATI card you should be on water=2 in open GL.

What resolution are you running and what settings on the video card for AA and AF?

BTW it's normal for your machine to slow down with that much AAA.

[JG27CaptStubing]

If the mission involves a carrier and a defensive fleet around it firing at maximum firing capability (its possible in the mission builder to set how often ships will fire) then thats enough physics calculations to bring any CPU to their knees. At this point your graphics card is waiting around for the CPU to complete calculations...so the FPS drops.

Run the track called 'blackdeath.ntrk' and record the FPS start the finish. Write down the lows, average, and high. Let us know.

You have a slightly older CPU paired with a very fast graphics card. You're likely CPU constrained.

He is CPU bound but there are ways to get it to run better than what he's getting. I still don't know what res hes running in.

If he's running in 1920X1200 then that could be a problem. Also running with water on 3 for his card is too much even for a top of the line machine.

[sanyigz]

blackdeath.ntrk, minimum fps 12 average 48 maximum (i dont know, bcuz i turned off the benchmark after it quit to menu so it benchmarked 630fps).

Im running it at 1280*1024, and now with exellent ground detail instead of perfect. No AA, but don't know about af. In setup i set on texture anisotropic arb extension, and i set texture filtering to anisotropic, but i don't know how much af.

For ati= water 2 was for those ati cards with sm2.0 when pacific fighter came out. Now for ati cards with sm4.1 it's not problem :)
It's sounds a little funny to me that water 3 is too much for my machine, when i playing with games without problem, what are far more shader intensive than il2(that's why il2 runs much better with nvidia cards, what are slower in shaders but better in texturing, and of course in opengl). In stalker(+ float32 shader mod), oblivion a lots of shaders everywhere, and i playing with them not just on maximum graphics, but with 16x af, and 4x aa.

[KYA]

Have you tried this beta dll?
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=37831&postcount=37

[JG27CaptStubing]

blackdeath.ntrk, minimum fps 12 average 48 maximum (i dont know, bcuz i turned off the benchmark after it quit to menu so it benchmarked 630fps).

Im running it at 1280*1024, and now with exellent ground detail instead of perfect. No AA, but don't know about af. In setup i set on texture anisotropic arb extension, and i set texture filtering to anisotropic, but i don't know how much af.

For ati= water 2 was for those ati cards with sm2.0 when pacific fighter came out. Now for ati cards with sm4.1 it's not problem :)
It's sounds a little funny to me that water 3 is too much for my machine, when i playing with games without problem, what are far more shader intensive than il2(that's why il2 runs much better with nvidia cards, what are slower in shaders but better in texturing, and of course in opengl). In stalker(+ float32 shader mod), oblivion a lots of shaders everywhere, and i playing with them not just on maximum graphics, but with 16x af, and 4x aa.

I can assure you even though your running a more advanced card you are hurting your performance by a ton running in that mode. I have a SLI 8800GT setup which has more performance in theory than a 280 GTX and that mode is too slow for me. I run water=2.

The reason why 3 is too much for your rig has nothing to do with your cards. It has to do with the fact your balancing CPU power against GPU power and your CPU is weaker by todays standards. The CPU still has to send a bunch of setup information to your GPU why load it up when you don't need to.

Okay at 12X10 you should have ZERO problems running that game in perfect mode water=2 and 3d gunners. I would use that setup utility and check off an ATI card like the 9800 series.

You also might be causing problems with the ATI control panel by forcing AF and AA and the game settings are conflicting.

In order to really help you its important that you list everthing in your rig including driver versions and settings in both the game and the control pannel. Right now we are taking stabs in the dark.

Also 12 minimum in Black Death is about right for that CPU. It's been said a bunch of times in this thread but your really limited by that CPU. What is odd though is your running in a lower res IMO and it shouldn't be a problem with bandwidth.

Its most likely your card is fine and is capable of running much higher res and higher settings but the CPU is lagging way to far behind to feed it.

I have a 3.2 AMD system with an older X800XL and I get better FPS than you at 16X12. I did however turn off 3d Gunners and I don't run any AA or AF

[jurinko]

I had HD3850 and it run IL-2 like crap. My x850XT was much better. Switched to 8800GTS now.

[1.JaVA_Jojo]

Another thing: if people switch to another graphic card manufacturer then they should make changes in the graphics tab setup of the game.

If somenone had a nVidia based card and changed it to a AMD/Ati you cannot simply run the game without adjustments in that setup. After changes in setup you notice that in the config.ini.

I had the 3870, wich is basically the same as the 3850 and never had any lower than 35 fps. All maxed out in 1600x1200.

People may think that Ati 3850 is a bad card but it certainly is NOT!

[Thunderbolt56]

All the rhetoric about being CPU-bound in that rig is false. The 4400+ is plenty adequate to run at 12x10 in perfect given the other hardware is up to the task. IMO, your issue is the 3850 GPU. Even the HD 3870 was marginal for some of the higher settings under perfect landscape and only got worse when you included some antialiasing. The 3850 had few shaders, slower memory clocks and fewer pipes.

If this sim is the one you play most, sell that GPU and get an 8800GT or 8800GTS (G92). Clean your drivers COMPLETELY before switching manufacturers, crank up the settings and enjoy this sim for another year.

[sanyigz]

there are no specified shaders since the unified shaders came out, and since the gpu-s using multi functional units. the 3850 have 320 stream processing units, as the 3870, bcuz it's the same gpu(rv670) exept the clocks.

I don't play just il2, and when the real dx10 and 10.1 games coming, i won't downgrade to a dx9.5 gpu like a g92.

When im at home, i'll try to turn off 3dgunners, and setup radeon 9800 settings.

[JG27CaptStubing]

there are no specified shaders since the unified shaders came out, and since the gpu-s using multi functional units. the 3850 have 320 stream processing units, as the 3870, bcuz it's the same gpu(rv670) exept the clocks.

I don't play just il2, and when the real dx10 and 10.1 games coming, i won't downgrade to a dx9.5 gpu like a g92.

When im at home, i'll try to turn off 3dgunners, and setup radeon 9800 settings.


A G92 is based upon the G80 GPU with a die shrink and some enhancements like PCIE 2.0 and DX 10.1. It's certainly not a downgrade. They have a lot of bang for the buck.

In terms of a new GPU the most bang for your buck right now is the 260

I opted to buy another 8800GT and go SLI. I had some problems with SLI but I've been able to work them out. 8800GTs in SLI are in some cases faster than a 280 GTX. The key is SLI isn't as clean of a solution though it works. Running COD4 and a few other titles like a champ. The next move for me will be the move to a high end Quad Core but so far I'm not seeing games scale much past a 2 core CPU. I know FSX is about the only game where there is a noticable difference.

In terms of DX10 I aint buying into right now. This generation of cards isn't enough run it well and the visuals aren't that much better than DX9. So far I haven't seen the promised efficiency nor the mind blowing graphics DX10. Plus you can keep Vista... Only now is it starting to mature.

[sanyigz]

A G92 is based upon the G80 GPU with a die shrink and some enhancements like PCIE 2.0 and DX 10.1. It's certainly not a downgrade. They have a lot of bang for the buck.

There is no dx10.1 nvidia card, g80 also have pcie2.0 support.

But after a hd3850 any nvidia card would be downgrade, bcuz it capable for dx10.1, and nvidia cards hardly capable for REAL dx10 games (cuz there was some games with advertised dx10... but dx10 not about just shader 4, and they used just that)



In terms of DX10 I aint buying into right now. This generation of cards isn't enough run it well and the visuals aren't that much better than DX9. So far I haven't seen the promised efficiency nor the mind blowing graphics DX10. Plus you can keep Vista... Only now is it starting to mature.


As i said there are no real dx10 right now, but there will be. DX10 mainly isn't about better graphics, but about more efficent working. There was a little demo :D called "assasing creed" with it's "free" antialiasing with the use of dx10.1, of course only worked on ati cards.

current nvidia cards isn't enough for run dx10 games(poor performance in geometry shader fe.), that's why i wrote dx9.5 for nvidia cards, but ati cards won't have problem with that.

That's why i won't downgrade to nvidia, even if these old, nvidia optimized games like il2 running better on nvidia cards.

[JG27CaptStubing]

There is no dx10.1 nvidia card, g80 also have pcie2.0 support.

But after a hd3850 any nvidia card would be downgrade, bcuz it capable for dx10.1, and nvidia cards hardly capable for REAL dx10 games (cuz there was some games with advertised dx10... but dx10 not about just shader 4, and they used just that)

You're right the 8800GT is not a DX10.1 Card but I wouldn't consider going with an Nvidia it to be any sort of down grade. In terms of future support Microsoft stated "Microsoft reiterates that DirectX 10.1 fully supports DirectX 10 hardware and that DX10.1 extends the hardware functionality slightly" The update is only considered to be slight.

The G80 is not pcie 2.0 compliant and not that is does anything for performace.

If you're holding out for futures then good luck. Meanwhile I wouldn't worry too much about your video card futures you might want to get a better CPU.

[=FI=Mikester]

As I said in my previous post I have roughly the same card as you only with the AGP. The solution for me was re install the game in a diff folder and set it as you would normally. (graphics setting that is)

I then ran the game and it worked fine without any big drops in frames! I then copied the conf.ini file to my origional install and it was fine also! I previously had a NVidea card and think this made a change in the conf.ini that i didn't notice.

Hope this helps.
Mike

[GhostFiles]

Hi!

I have that videocard as in title, with 512mb ram, a64 x2 4400+, 2gb ddr2 800.
But i have poor fps in game. In the most of scenarios, i get maximum 50fps(what is not too high for this card), even if i turn down graphics to minimum, from maximum, and sometimes it drops below 20 fps, what is very annoying. But in some scenarios, like those single pacific island(there is a little island, japan base, and the usn attacking from aircraft carriers) carreer missions, my fps is between 30 and 10 fps, what is very low, if i set graphics to minimum, i can only get +10 fps, what is still not enough.

In opengl mode, this performance is more poor, so im playing in dx mode.

Sometimes it looks like it's slower than on my old athlon xp 3100+, 1gb ddr400, radeon9600pro config, what is really weird.

With my machine i can play oblivion, stalker, armed assault, with maximum setting, with 16AF, and with some aa, so i don't understand why il2 running so slow.

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It could be the drivers.

If you can use the 7.11 drivers with the 3850, I would try that.

With the x1950 card, the 7.11Cats work best (smooth, fast, full settings...)

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[Sw@tLorD]

Got the same card a few days ago. After some reinstalling I managed to get the driver wright. But when I start the game in OPENGL mode, I have just 1fps when I'm in the main menu (the screen with all the buttons etc).
When switched to directX runs very good, but the graphix are bugga :s

Anyone familiar with this problem?

[KG66_Manta]

Well i cant nit get the 260 GTX to work in perfect mode above 15fps, my advice dont get this card for IL2.

In saying that, all new games run 100%