4.11.1 is a Joke?

[jeroll3d]

I wonder why the 109 F4 behaves like a helicopter? Also would like to know why the i16 lost its ability to fire? I'd love to understand why all aircraft of Soviet front are much worse?

[DKoor]

Not sure if this wagon will go very far.
If you have some further info that makes you think so, please provide.:)

[jeroll3d]

Not sure if this wagon will go very far.
If you have some further info that makes you think so, please provide.:)

If flying and prove this is something that does not fit, make patches for exclusive Daidalos Tean, now, if your customers want to hear, those flying il2, begin to pay attention to what they say. I did not make this post to debunk the Il2 - best airline simulation game that is themed World War II, just made ​​an observation and I explained here that the vast majority of the squads speak il2 game.

[fruitbat]

as far as i'm aware, neither planes fm has been touched, the only thing that is different is that the overheat parameters have been changed.....

everything else you perceive is almost certainly placebo compared to 4.10.....

[IceFire]

I wonder why the 109 F4 behaves like a helicopter? Also would like to know why the i16 lost its ability to fire? I'd love to understand why all aircraft of Soviet front are much worse?

109F-4 wasn't changed in 4.11.

The I-16 fires it's guns just fine.

We had another thread up somewhere else saying how the Russian aircraft were too good. Can't win :cool: :evil:

[Bearcat]

If flying and prove this is something that does not fit, make patches for exclusive Daidalos Tean, now, if your customers want to hear, those flying il2, begin to pay attention to what they say. I did not make this post to debunk the Il2 - best airline simulation game that is themed World War II, just made ​​an observation and I explained here that the vast majority of the squads speak il2 game.

You do realize that what you said makes no sense don't you?

[zander]

auto-translator I guess.

[TinyTim]

109F-4 wasn't changed in 4.11.

The I-16 fires it's guns just fine.

We had another thread up somewhere else saying how the Russian aircraft were too good. Can't win :cool: :evil:

Think he ment that "I-16 lost its ability to catch fire"...

Yeah, there's a grumpy bunch around from the very first days of this sim complaining about how über Soviet fighters are - instead of simply jumping into one and get on a populated server with skilled blue pilots (who don't just turn and burn at a treetop level) to learn the bitter truth.

[DKoor]

Think he ment that "I-16 lost its ability to catch fire"...

Yeah, there's a grumpy bunch around from the very first days of this sim complaining about how über Soviet fighters are - instead of simply jumping into one and get on a populated server with skilled blue pilots (who don't just turn and burn at a treetop level) to learn the bitter truth.

Yeah, something like that.

[jeroll3d]

I use google translate, sorry team.

I go found information to contribute. Post here.

[K_Freddie]

jeroll3d:
If you come across experienced 'blue' pilots.. they will not dogfight with you, but do 'hit and runs'. This is coz the I16 out-turns nearly anything.

The same story is applied when fighting the Japanese Zero... ;)

[jeroll3d]

Friends, EVERY red squadron talk abouth this: 109 F4 is helicopter, no airplane, your structure, very strong, (titanium league?!) i16, (just curve), Lagg serie 4, Yak 1, very fragile, extremely exaggerated...were already considered planes vertical ascent. MIG no is TNT whit wings, is a fighter to bomber, in hight level, but your structure, in game, no is nothing, 1 shot, just ONE and fire in motor...please!!!

... the patch 10.0.1 and 11.0.1 is a bad, very bad joke!!!

EVERY better to germans airplane, but to Russian, nothing! His is amazing!

Yes, i know i16... your atual guns and nothing whit f4 is the same...f4 just curve litle open in relation g2.

[K_Freddie]

Well.. you must consider this point of view.

IL2 is a Russian flight sim, made by Russian aeronautical engineers and software developers. Why on earth would they make the 'enemy' aircraft better than their own... UNLESS .... they were better in some respects.

You can thank Oleg and the rest of his original team that they were not american, otherwise the P38/39/47/51.. B17/25/...etc would outfly the I153/I16..etc and the USA would have won all wars without trying - Actually the USA lost every war the've started :grin:

Getting back to the point... in Oleg's words about this sim.
"It's the pilot.. not the aircraft"
So.. stop complaining, get your act together... and start training ;)

[RegRag1977]

Hi jeroll3d,

Try to fly German aircrafts. Try not to turn, try to keep high speed, try to only attack with energy advantage and surprise, try not to attack when you do not have full advantage. See if you find it easy, especially late war scenario.

Then you will notice: turning is useless, duel sucks but being a murderer rocks, speed and big guns are your best friends!

When flying the inferior type, it is better not to engage at all. Blue side pilots do that very often.

MiG3 vs bombers: as with any other fighters, NEVER EVER attack from dead six o' clock. Try high speed diving attacks there where the bomber has less defensive weapons. 90° deflection shooting is your friend. Cut the throttle in the dive and try not to pick too much speed, remember controls can become very heavy in the MiG3.

Otherwise, true....Choppers are not easy target to destroy with an aircraft, when well flown they can make it very hard for the fighter pilot...Fortunately we haven't got any in game :-D.

[RegRag1977]

jeroll3d:

The same story is applied when fighting the Japanese Zero... ;)

This actually is a very good example. Flying the A6M fighter, especially when F4U "birdcage" appears on maps, it is really not easy to have kills and survive, you really have to pay attention to what you're doing, even if you have great altitude advantage.

When facing BnZ-ing fighters, it becomes a real nightmare...Then, generally it is not long before the poor A6M pilot turns into a fried chicken in his pit... :-D

[MaxGunz]

Same old story after 11 years. Notions deduced from losing online reported as 'fakts'.

Where are the flight tests? Where are the screenies? Where are the links?

What is the stall speed of the 109 compared to Plane B and which has more available thrust at stall? That's what's behind the subjective helicopter experience. The perception is both relative and subjective, with flying skill playing a part.

See how far you can fly outside the lines on historic charts using the tests used to make those charts, then you have something to show Daidalos besides hot air and spite.

[JtD]

The 109F-4 has not been changed in the recent patches, the I-16 now does has a chance to fall apart instead of exploding, and that's the only change with the I-16.

[jeroll3d]

The 109F-4 has not been changed in the recent patches, the I-16 now does has a chance to fall apart instead of exploding, and that's the only change with the I-16.

In relation whit 4.0.9? :confused:

[FC99]

In relation whit 4.0.9? :confused:
Bf109F4 is same in 4.11 and in 4.09

[MaxGunz]

I get my best climb rates at just a bit over stall regardless of plane. If I am followed by another plane with higher stall speed or less power it can never follow. This relation will often vary with height... sometimes just get worse.

Some just think. Some bitch then think. And some just bitch, bitch, bitch.

[IceFire]

In relation whit 4.0.9? :confused:

You're experiencing what they call the "placebo effect". It's really quite fascinating.

[Woke Up Dead]

I get my best climb rates at just a bit over stall regardless of plane.

That's interesting, how much over is "just a bit over?" Not questioning, just curious. I always thought the "best climb speed" from IL2 Compare was the way to go, that speed is usually about 100km/h (60mph) faster than stall speed for each plane. Did you test this?

[MaxGunz]

You're right, I was thinking steepest climb not best climb rate!

109G stall around 155kph, best climb around 270.
Just saying, trying to follow some planes it will look like they're levitating.

I can climb 'to heaven' at near stall, rudder dancing all the way, in these planes but just 20-30 kph faster I can climb at a much higher rate very steeply.

But hey, in combat you mostly don't want to be so slow. Flying like that, the same plane that can't follow you in a steady climb should be able to zoom up your six so fast he has to quit firing and veer off to avoid collision. But then, the other guy has to think of that and make it happen first.