Psyched about that AD-4

[IceFire]

Looking very much forward to being able to fly a AD-4 Skyraider as seen in the recently posted development shots. I hope its flyable! A US Navy IL-2 type aircraft....can't wait to try it out...low level, blasting away with rockets and bombs over a heavily defended target. Bring it on :)

(Secretly hoping for a Sea Fury too)

[96th_Nightshifter]

Yeah if I'd have saw shots of a Sea Fury I'd have been a VERY happy bunny (oh, and a Firefly too lol)

[ElAurens]

Oh, this is a BlitzPig dream come true. Our specialty is mud moving.
Hope they get the center hard point on there as well.

A typical loadout from the period would be 3 1000lb bombs and 12 250lb. bombs.

Plus 4 20mm for strafing goodness.

:cool:

[leitmotiv]

The Skyraider is a gem, but that MiG-15 really gets my blood pumping.

[Flyby]

Wouldn't it be great to have carrier ops modeled in a new sim based on the Korean War? But as I asked in another thread, where can we find more info on this sim? Anyone?
Flyby out

[ElAurens]

RRG has a website. Sorry, I forget the address, but search for it.

Once there look up "Project Galba".

[Flyby]

RRG has a website. Sorry, I forget the address, but search for it.

Once there look up "Project Galba".

As I replied in my initial thread about Ilya's project, the RRG website offers slim pickings for info. We also serve who sit and wait.
Flyby out

[Avimimus]

Meh, you can't beat the firefly for a plane that can be easily beaten (and thats what really counts right?).

[Rjel]

Loved the Skyraider since I saw The Bridges at Toko-Ri as a kid.

[96th_Nightshifter]

Meh, you can't beat the firefly for a plane that can be easily beaten (and thats what really counts right?).


Well I certainly wouldn't be using it for dogfighting...........

Armament:

4 × 20 mm Hispano cannons
2 × 1,000 lb bomb under wings
8 pairs of 60 lb rockets

[dflion]

If you want to see some Skyraider's doing their job well, get a DVD copy of the film 'The Bridges at Toko-Ri' starring William Holden and the beautiful Grace Kelly.
William Holden (Lt. Harry Brubaker) is a USN reserve pilot flying jets (I think Grumman Panthers from memory) from the carrier 'Essex'.
Some great aircraft/carrier shots with Mickey Rooney doing a wonderful job as the Sikorsky rescue helicopter pilot.
DFLion

[proton45]

Another Korea era war movie is "The Hunters"... The movie stars Robert Mitchum as a aging F-86 Saber pilot who still has a few tricks up his sleeve... I have not seen this movie for a few years but as I remember it was pretty good. One area of interest is that most (if not all) of the aerial combat footage is live action (with an F86 standing in as a Mig), their might even be some real combat footage edited in for effect...this is in contrast to "Bridges at Toko-Ri" which made liberal use of miniatures in a studio (even though it was done very well, and is quite enjoyable) cut together with live action footage...

[Rjel]

Another Korea era war movie is "The Hunters"... was pretty good. One area of interest is that most (if not all) of the aerial combat footage is live action (with an F86 standing in as a Mig), their might even be some real combat footage edited in for effect...

Actually, they used swept winged F-84s to stand in for the MiGs. Same with another Korean air war movie The McConnell Story starring Alan Ladd. Kind of hoakey but the flying is good. I like Alan Ladd movies too.

[BG-09]

This MiG-15 is something I cant wait! MiG-15! GREAT!

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

Mig 15 for me, a real performer!

[Ploughman]

The Skyraider is a gem, but that MiG-15 really gets my blood pumping.

Yeah, what a beaut! Can't wait to fly the unfriendly skies in that baby.

[Xiola]

Its not a plane that I know anything about, but I too think the AD4 looks wicked.

BTW, what versions of the P51 would be in Korea? Would the tall tail 'lightweight' P51H be there?

I think to a lot of P51 fans this would be what they were expecting from the P51D. It was modified weighing every part on the P51 and comparing it to every part on a RAF Spitfire to make it as lightweight as possible and bring its manouverability more in line with its British counterpart. (They really did take each plane apart and weight every single part(!) to find out why the P51 was so much heavier...)

Should be awesome, and a better dogfighter than the P51D..

[ElAurens]

H models were not deployed to Korea.

The aircraft in Korea should be late block D models.

I suspect (I readily admit I don't know for sure) that the H models were not robust enough for the ground attack role the F-51s were used for in Korea.

The Air Force's main ground pounders in theatre should be the F-51, A-26 Invader, F-80, and straight wing F-84.

As for the US Navy and Marines, the A4 Skyraider, Late model Corsairs, and the jet Panther did most of the work, as I recall. Not sure about the F7F.

[Metatron]

I can almost already read the posts whining about the La-9! :-P

[Al Schlageter]

F7Fs were used as NFs were they not?

[DuxCorvan]

I love the Skyraider. My dad had a nice 1:32 model of that plane when I was a child. I always found it had an aura of might and sturdiness.

[ElAurens]

F7Fs were used as NFs were they not?

Could be, the F-82 definitely was, until replaced by the F-94 Starfire, which had 4 kills in Korea.

[Rakkasan]

The USMC used the F7f as a night fighter. There is an episode of Dogfights that details some of their fights.

[Feuerfalke]

Looking very much forward to being able to fly a AD-4 Skyraider as seen in the recently posted development shots. I hope its flyable! A US Navy IL-2 type aircraft....can't wait to try it out...low level, blasting away with rockets and bombs over a heavily defended target. Bring it on :)

(Secretly hoping for a Sea Fury too)


Really looking forward to the Skyraider, too. A great plane for groundpounding.

Did anybody of you consider the chances of the Corea-Sim and BoB being based on the same engine? Could mean you can merge installations on the one hand and on the other that there are 2 groups working on addons for SoW, which would mean a lot of new addons quickly. ;)

[proton45]

Actually, they used swept winged F-84s to stand in for the MiGs. Same with another Korean air war movie The McConnell Story starring Alan Ladd. Kind of hoakey but the flying is good. I like Alan Ladd movies too.


Your probably right...I haven't seen the movie for a few years.

Alan Ladd was a pretty good actor, I really like the film-noir movies he made with Veronica Lake.

"Jet Pilot" with John Wayne and Janet Leigh has some good footage in it... I think it was filmed around the time of the Korean war but it wasn't released for almost 8 years after filming had ended...nun-the-less their is some good scenes in it (Starfires and B36's).

[IceFire]

Really looking forward to the Skyraider, too. A great plane for groundpounding.

Did anybody of you consider the chances of the Corea-Sim and BoB being based on the same engine? Could mean you can merge installations on the one hand and on the other that there are 2 groups working on addons for SoW, which would mean a lot of new addons quickly. ;)

Pretty certain that its already been confirmed that the Korea sim will be using the same engine as Battle of Britain. Thus the high level of detail in the Korea models. I HOPE...as you have said...that they can be merged and we can play the game on the same server just like now and switch between Battle of Britain and Korea just like that :)

[tagTaken2]

I'd love to see an alien invasion addon. Flying saucers and 50s aircraft would be kinda cool. But everyone's already nagging for stuff, so I'll just be happy when Korea comes out.

[proton45]

I'd love to see an alien invasion addon. Flying saucers and 50s aircraft would be kinda cool. But everyone's already nagging for stuff, so I'll just be happy when Korea comes out.


LOL! I like it... :)

[luthier]

I'm personally most excited about this Skyraider loadout.

http://www.rrgstudios.com/img/etc/va25specbomb-001b.jpg

[dflion]

Obviously somebody had the sh..s! What a classic photo.
DFLion

[Avimimus]

Funny, Luthier... I'd always heard that that was a kitchen sink (but that doesn't quite look like a sink).

Well I certainly wouldn't be using it for dogfighting...........


Neither was I...

[Biggs]

i cant wait to see the F-86 Sabre and the F9F Panther!! get some Mig alley action going :cool:

[ElAurens]

Interesting thing about the Skyraider is that when it was retired from service during the Viet Nam war, there was no single aircraft in the Navy inventory that could do all the things a "SPAD" could.

It was a decision based more on logistical concerns that any lack of performance in the combat arena.

[4H_V-man]

Actually a Skyraider scored a kill against a Mig 17 in Viet Nam, if I recall correctly.

[akdavis]

Praying here for a flyable A-26. That would be a dream come true!

[BadAim]

I'm personally most excited about this Skyraider loadout.

http://www.rrgstudios.com/img/etc/va25specbomb-001b.jpg


That pic gives a whole new meaning to the Idea of carrying a S**t load of ordinance.

[IceFire]

The sheer number of bombs makes me very excited (giddy perhaps) for the future of simulated air to ground warfare :D

Nothing more I like than pickling off a half dozen or a dozen bombs.

Did the AD-4 have any bomb aids while serving in Korea? Special dive bomb sights/calcuators like the Stuvi that some German aircraft had?

[SkyChimp]

Wow. This might actually make flight simming interesting again. All the models look great. The F-82 looks fantastic.

[ElAurens]

The last generation of piston fighters and fighter-bombers were amazing aircraft.

Single engine aircraft served by a single crewman that carried bomb loads that would make a B-17 blush. Prop fighters nearing 500mph speeds in level flight. Both types with endurance that was a FAC's dream come true.

I too am giddy about this.

I hope that the T6 Texan "Mosquito" FAC aircraft are modeled as well. Luthier, you do know about this, yes?

http://http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=287

Mosquito Airborne Forward Air Controllers
During the Korean War, the personnel of the 6147th Tactical Air Control Group, known as the "Mosquitoes," were the first to create a large-scale, comprehensive airborne forward air control system. Since the USAF did not have any airborne FAC units at the beginning of the war, pilots flew the first missions with borrowed Army liaison aircraft only two weeks after the war started. The value of these early Mosquitoes was readily apparent, and the hastily created, squadron-sized unit steadily grew in size while it developed the tactics of airborne forward air control.

The primary missions of the airborne FACs were to direct strike aircraft against enemy targets and conduct visual reconnaissance (initially near the front lines and later farther into enemy territory). These airborne FACs matched the most important targets with the limited resources available, significantly raising the efficiency of air strikes against the enemy. To perform these missions, Mosquito FACs flew "low and slow" over enemy positions so they could spot and mark targets, a practice that left them particularly vulnerable to anti-aircraft fire.

By the end of the war, the Mosquitoes flew more than 40,000 sorties in support of United Nations ground forces. In spite of their success during the Korean War, the USAF disbanded the Mosquitoes and their mission in 1956, believing that slow flying airborne FACs were not practical in the supersonic jet age. Ironically, 10 years later in Vietnam, the USAF reexamined the legacy of the Mosquitoes when it once again needed airborne FACs.

Initially, there was no device available to mark targets, but USAF personnel quickly developed a clever solution. They attached a 2.36-inch bazooka white phosphorus or smoke rocket to the front of a 2.25-inch aircraft practice rocket. Early Mosquito T-6s carried six smoke-marking rockets, while later models, like the museum's LT-6G, carried up to 12.

The 6147th Tactical Control Group initially used light liaison aircraft but quickly switched to hastily modified T-6Ds and T-6Fs. In 1952 they received factory-rebuilt LT-6Gs.

The crew of a Mosquito FAC consisted of an USAF pilot and a ground forces observer, usually from the U.S. Army. The enemy quickly learned how important the Mosquito FACs were and targeted them with rifle and anti-aircraft fire. This aircraft managed to make it back safely despite the hole caused by an anti-aircraft shell. http://http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4685/050317f1234p024at1.jpg


http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5735/t6mosquitojh0.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4685/050317f1234p024at1.jpg
http://http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5735/t6mosquitojh0.jpg

[x__CRASH__x]

I'm personally most excited about this Skyraider loadout.

http://www.rrgstudios.com/img/etc/va25specbomb-001b.jpg
That's the squadron I'll be checking into in November. They are now VFA-25 (VA-25 back then). The Fist of the Fleet!

[Skoshi Tiger]

I'd love to see an alien invasion addon. Flying saucers and 50s aircraft would be kinda cool. But everyone's already nagging for stuff, so I'll just be happy when Korea comes out.


NO! I want to take a F-14 back in time so I can get those Zero's with sidewinders.

The hard part will be getting them on fire first so the heat-seeking missiles will work! Mmmm! M-61!

[Thunderbolt56]

La-9 in the weeds with the "Able Dog"...recipe for fun!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/300px-LavochkinLa-9.jpg

[Blackdog_kt]

My father's a subscriber to international world air power review and they have a couple of features centered on classic warbirds or certain conflicts in each issue. A few issues back (maybe couple of years ago,since it's a quarterly edition) i was reading one about Corsairs in Korea.

It said that after WWII a lot of prop fighters were stripped of some pieces of armor to make them faster and more useful in military maneuvers against jets, or easier to maintain for air national guard units. When the Corsairs reached Korea, none of them had armor protection for the oil carrying ring tube around the engine. This infuriated the crews but was never fixed, effectively turning one of the most reliable and sturdy ground attack fighters into something that would start leaking oil at the first sign of shrapnel.

It's also interesting to note that either by design (P51) or by negligence (Corsair), none of the US air arms had a suitably rugged propeller driven ground pounder in service during the early stages of the Korean war. Mothballing the P47s had started even before WWII came to an end, so when Korea came up the only thing they had that could be quickly brought to flyable condition was stocks of P51s with vulnerable liquid cooled engines.

I guess casualties would have been far lower if they had P47s and if the Corsairs had all their armor plates on.
Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see the whinning about the Corsair if it's modelled according to the Korean "modifications" :grin:

[GF_Mastiff]

Like this one I'm going to build soon...

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/whforbesii/modeling/DSCF0001.jpg