Thursday Update, April 19, 2012

[BlackSix]

Hello everyone,

I have to tell you is very bad news - the current beta version of the patch didn't pass internal test and was sent back for revision. We plan to assemble the new version only at the beginning of the next week.

Everything that I can offer you now are some specifications about correction of flight model.

Fiat G50
Fixed modes of the motor. Operating speed, temperature and boost pressure. Added +100 take-off mode(only activated by key assignments, not through the cursor in canopy). Improved aerodynamics.
Note:
However, the motor control at different heights requires the attention of the player. In the fall of speed and power should be adjusted mixture, as well as monitor the temperature of the cylinder, the working temperature of 220-230 g. In general, the engine began to work steadily, and with proper management regimes, provides a full-time capacity on all working heights. Maximum speed, the plane develops at an altitude of 4100 m

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153531&d=1334842796

- G.50 pilot's manual
- added +100 take-off mode
- boost pressure 790 millimeter of mercury

SpitfireMkIIa
Decreasedspeed at all altitudes.

SpitfireMkIa
Removed the lossof the speed at an altitude of more than 6km.

Hurricane Mk Ia
Decreasedspeed at all altitudes.

BlenheimMkI
Increased empty weight and maximum take-off weight. In the overloaded mode, with 468 halon fuel aircraft weighs 14,500 pounds.
Fixed characteristics of the motor. Speed ​​rated power, maximum speed, boost pressure. Fixed temperature balance of the motor.
The constant RPM screw is replaced by permanent two-position screw.
Mixture management changed to a double-throw one (a rich mixture and lean mixture).
Control flaps changed to a smooth operation, added the "neutral" position of lever.
Fixed an error in the data of the area of the vertical stabilizer which led to pulling aircraft to a side at takeoff.
Reduced airframe disintegration speed (to 550-580 km \ h).

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153532&d=1334842797

- BlenheimMkI pilot's manual
- patch
- patch, boost pressure 9 pounds
- pilot's manual boost pressure 9 pounds

Bf-110C
Increased airframe disintegration speed (up to 700-750 km \ h).

Bf-109E
Reduced empty weight and maximum take-offweight

Bf-109E-3 and Bf-109E-3V
Corrected data of stabilizers area, and tail control surfaces area.
Fixed transverse V of the wing.

Bf-109 E-4

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153533&d=1334842797

- pilot's manual
- game w. WEP
- game no WEP

BR20M
Decreased airframe disintegration speed. Refined the parameters of the motor.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153534&d=1334842798

- Br20 pilot's manual
- game w. WEP
- game no WEP


I sincerely regret what has happened, good weekend.

Ataros and salmo - thank you very much for helping with the translation

[khaAk]

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :cry:
But thanks for the FM

[BadAim]

It's all good , mate. Thanks for letting up know, it's better this way!

[Luftwaffepilot]

Blacksix, could you please tell us a little more precise what was amiss? (CTD, ...)

[addman]

That's ok B6, we have waited so long another week or two doesn't really matter. Keep the good work up! Looking forward to the patch.

P.S See guys, I said there wouldn't be a patch today and everyone who did is now sorely disappointed and might even start complaining.

[garengarch]

thanks for the update

[Dano]

And there was much rejoicing by F5 buttons the world over!

Thanks for the update BlackSix.

[salmo]

GOOGLE TRANSLATE FROM SUKHOI.RU

Hello everyone,

I have to tell you is very bad news - the current beta version of the patch did not pass the self test and was sent back for revision. We plan to build a new version until early next week.

All I can suggest to you now - it's some refinements to correct the flight model.


Fiat G50
Fixed modes of the motor. Operating speed, temperature and boost pressure. Added 100 take-off (only activated key assignments, from the control room through the cursor do not). Improved aerodynamics.
Note:
However, the motor control at different heights requires the attention of the player. In the fall of speed and power should be adjusted mixture, as well as monitor the temperature of the cylinder, the working temperature of 220-230 g. In general, the engine began to work steadily, and with proper management regimes, provides a full-time capacity on all working heights. Maximum speed, the plane develops at an altitude of 4100 m
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153531&d=1334842796

SpitfireMkIIa
Fixed-speed data at all altitudes to decrease.

SpitfireMkIa
Removed the failure of the speed at an altitude of more than 6km.

Hurricane Mk Ia
Fixed-speed data at all altitudes to decrease.

BlenheimMkI
Increased empty weight and maximum take-off. In the accelerated version, with 468 aircraft halon fuel weighs 14,500 pounds.
Fixed characteristics of the motor. Speed ​​rated power, maximum speed, boost pressure. Fixed temperature balance motor.
The screw speed is replaced by permanent two-position screw.
Management changed to a mixture of double-throw (a rich mixture and lean mixture).
Control flaps changed to a smooth, added the position of gidrokrana "neutral."
An error in the data area of the vertical stabilizer, which led to the emergence of a strong point of the unfolding on the rise.
Reduced the rate at which the break a glider plane (up to 550-580 km \ h).
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153532&d=1334842797

Bf-110C
Increased speed at which the break a glider plane (up to 700-750 km \ h).

Bf-109E
Reduced mass of the empty and maximum take-off

Bf-109E-3 and Bf-109E-3V
Corrected data area, and tail control surfaces.
Fixed transverse V-wing.

Bf-109 E-4
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153533&d=1334842797

BR20M
Decreased breaking speed. Refined the parameters of the motor.
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153534&d=1334842798

I sincerely regret what has happened, good weekend.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Thanks for update. Have a good weekend.

[BlackSix]

Blacksix, could you please tell us a little more precise what was amiss? (CTD, ...)

We are having new problems with graphics engine, not CTD. Sorry.

[flyingblind]

Thank goodness for that. I have a day off work tomorrow and I would only have spent it hanging around the computer getting moaned at by the wife because I have to scrap the paint of the ceiling for redecorating. A close shave indeed.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Thanks for letting us know B6. I can stop chewing my fingernails now. :grin:

Would it be possible for graphs to be released for all aircraft when the patch does arrive please?

Thanks.

[bw_wolverine]

Rats!

Oh well, a patch is definitely coming soon, I think! Just not today or tomorrow.

Have a good weekend!

[5./JG27.Farber]

Nooooooooo!

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg

But thanks for letting us know... :(

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

[MoGas]

:( ;)

[Stipe]

Thanks for the update B6. Keeping my fingers crossed that it will be an easy and fast fix.
Have a nice weekend. ~S~

[HessleReich]

Im not going to post my opinion on this subject right now.

Edit* Ty for the update regardless.

[Sven]

Happy to see BF109E performance being historically correct modeled! Hope all other planes will receive like-wise treatment!

[Luftwaffepilot]

We are having new problems with graphics engine, not CTD. Sorry.

Still better then CTD methinks

[ATAG_Snapper]

Thanks for the update, BlackSix.

+1 for ATAG_Dutch's request -- could we please see the performance charts of ALL the Cliffs of Dover aircraft? This would be of tremendous help in designing multiplayer missions on both of our ATAG Servers.

Many thanks in advance,

ATAG_Snapper

[kristorf]

Im not going to post my opinion on this subject right now.



Snap

[Tree_UK]

We are having new problems with graphics engine, not CTD. Sorry.

Thanks for the update Blacksix, when you had the first last minute glitch a long while ago, which was the decals I assume you tested everything and it was all running sweet apart from the decal issue, you then fixed all of that and tested again only to have a last minute glitch with the particles, now you have fixed that and now the next last minute glitch is with the graphics engine. How are all these issues connected?

[Osprey]

Pants.


Disappointing indeed.

[ATAG_Doc]

Don't release anything until it is complete. I would rather you explain the wait once than have to explain the problems not being fixed over and over. You are doing a great job!!

[SlipBall]

Hello everyone,

I have to tell you is very bad news - the current beta version of the patch didn't pass internal test and was sent back for revision. We plan to assemble the new version only at the beginning of the next week.

Everything that I can offer you now are some specifications about correction of flight model.
I don't have possible to translate it into English now and I need your help with the text and schedules. Russian version is here:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=75495

I sincerely regret what has happened, good weekend.


Can anyone translate this as asked, for the rest of us?

[Winger]

Thanks for the update Blacksix, when you had the first last minute glitch a long while ago, which was the decals I assume you tested everything and it was all running sweet apart from the decal issue, you then fixed all of that and tested again only to have a last minute glitch with the particles, now you have fixed that and now the next last minute glitch is with the graphics engine. How are all these issues connected?

Agree. Next issue will be... after that... and then ... and then BOM will be released. LOOOOOL. This is getting alsmost as annoying as the biased FMs in ROF:P Sorry but i couldnt resist:P

Winger

[David Hayward]

Thanks for the update Blacksix, when you had the first last minute glitch a long while ago, which was the decals I assume you tested everything and it was all running sweet apart from the decal issue, you then fixed all of that and tested again only to have a last minute glitch with the particles, now you have fixed that and now the next last minute glitch is with the graphics engine. How are all these issues connected?

That's a great question, Tree_UK. Hopefully he'll post the code for us and you can help them fix it.

[melasuda]

This is supoosed to be a beta. Betas are bound to have errors. The longer it takes in being released, the more critic I will be with it. Please release it.

[SEE]

Slipball, The translation is a few posts back.......

[Tree_UK]

Agree. Next issue will be... after that... and then ... and then BOM will be released. LOOOOOL. This is getting alsmost as annoying as the biased FMs in ROF:P Sorry but i couldnt resist:P

Winger

I would have put my house on this news. Not that the Dev's are predictable.

[Ataros]

Corrected some Google errors in bold.

GOOGLE TRANSLATE FROM SUKHOI.RU
Fiat G50
Fixed modes of the motor. Operating speed, temperature and boost pressure. Added +100 take-off mode (only activated by key assignments, not through the cursor in canopy). Improved aerodynamics.
Note:
However, the motor control at different heights requires the attention of the player. In the fall of speed and power should be adjusted mixture, as well as monitor the temperature of the cylinder, the working temperature of 220-230 g. In general, the engine began to work steadily, and with proper management regimes, provides a full-time capacity on all working heights. Maximum speed, the plane develops at an altitude of 4100 m
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153531&d=1334842796

SpitfireMkIIa
Decreased speed at all altitudes.

SpitfireMkIa
Removed the loss of the speed at an altitude of more than 6km.

Hurricane Mk Ia
Decreased speed at all altitudes.

BlenheimMkI
Increased empty weight and maximum take-off weight. In the overloaded mode, with 468 halon fuel aircraft weighs 14,500 pounds.
Fixed characteristics of the motor. Speed ​​rated power, maximum speed, boost pressure. Fixed temperature balance of the motor.
The constant RPM screw is replaced by permanent two-position screw.
Mixture management changed to a double-throw one (a rich mixture and lean mixture).
Control flaps changed to a smooth operation, added the "neutral" position of lever.
Fixed an error in the data of the area of the vertical stabilizer which led to pulling aircraft to a side at takeoff.
Reduced airframe disintegration speed (to 550-580 km \ h).
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153532&d=1334842797

Bf-110C
Increased airframe disintegration speed (up to 700-750 km \ h).

Bf-109E
Reduced empty weight and maximum take-offweight

Bf-109E-3 and Bf-109E-3V
Corrected data of stabilizers area, and tail control surfaces area.
Fixed transverse V of the wing.

Bf-109 E-4
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153533&d=1334842797

BR20M
Decreased airframe disintegration speed. Refined the parameters of the motor.
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153534&d=1334842798

[SG1_Mino]

This is supoosed to be a beta. Betas are bound to have errors. The longer it takes in being released, the more critic I will be with it. Please release it.

+1

[tintifaxl]

Thanks for the heads-up. Helps with planning activities for the weekend.

[Nitrous]

I would have put my house on this news. Not that the Dev's are predictable.

We are all thinking this. Some are too polite.

[HessleReich]

I am glad to see the blen has had an overhall and ty for the new info just spent time reading up on it.

Ps Beta is what we are playing now, why not an advanced version? ie the Beta Patch.

[phoenix1963]

Thanks for the update Blacksix, when you had the first last minute glitch a long while ago, which was the decals I assume you tested everything and it was all running sweet apart from the decal issue, you then fixed all of that and tested again only to have a last minute glitch with the particles, now you have fixed that and now the next last minute glitch is with the graphics engine. How are all these issues connected?

Tree - that's just the nature of programming, every bug is the "last" bug. If you've ever done it you'd understand.
I suspect all the criticism has made them hypercritical of even this beta.

56RAF_phoenix

[Buchon]

Corrected some Google errors in bold.

Thanks, we need the graphs more than other thing.

[BlackSix]

Thanks for the update Blacksix, when you had the first last minute glitch a long while ago, which was the decals I assume you tested everything and it was all running sweet apart from the decal issue, you then fixed all of that and tested again only to have a last minute glitch with the particles, now you have fixed that and now the next last minute glitch is with the graphics engine. How are all these issues connected?

I don't know, I'm not a programmer...

At the beginning of the next week I will have additional data for Spitfires and Hurricanes.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I have to tell you is very bad news - the current beta version of the patch didn't pass internal test and was sent back for revision. We plan to assemble the new version only at the beginning of the next week.
No worries!!

We are all adults here and we realise that these things happen in the real world! Just keep up the good work! S!

[jamesdietz]

Drat!

[SiThSpAwN]

Corrected some Google errors in bold.

Thanks Ataros, perhaps B6 needs to bring you on as his official translator :)

[ATAG_Dutch]

At the beginning of the next week I will have additional data for Spitfires and Hurricanes.

Thanks B6, that will be most welcome. :)

[csThor]

The consternation reminds me of a bunch of drug junkies who have just been told by their dealer that he's sold out. :mrgreen:

[David Hayward]

Could you ask someone please Blacksix, or get a better explanation rather than its the graphic engine. Many thanks.

Yes, B6, please post the code so Tree_UK can evaluate it for us.

[Jaws2002]

This is getting alsmost as annoying as the biased FMs in ROF:P Sorry but i couldnt resist:P

Winger

I got so tired of your constant rants in ROF forum. Specially coming from someone flying mostly Dr1. Please don't bring this here. :rolleyes:
Thank you.

[Strike]

Thanks for letting us kNOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

Seriously though.. Good luck :)

[OutlawBlues]

Oh wow, what a surprise! Well done team. :-P

[csharry1]

Yeah, keep up the er... work!

[Chromius]

Thank's for the update.

Did they say in the past whether this beta had any fixes for the bombsights or Ju-88 gyro-compass, and the bomb delays?

I will still be happy with CTD fixes.

[SiThSpAwN]

Least next internal test sounds like it will be short (baring any problems):


That is, at the beginning of next week, it will be sent to the internal test?

Yes, but short, as generally will be checked only fix the recent problems.

[badaboom]

My F5 key is Doing The Happy Dance!!! :O I'll give it a break for a few days,B6 I know it isn't News you wanted to deliver but Thank You for letting us know.

[FS~looksharp]

thanks for the update chaps ~S~

[E69_vencejo]

Anybody translate graphics color lines, please?

Release beta patch with out know errors is better than the opposite. Under my point of view is a correct decision.
Thanks for news BS.

[JG4_Bendwick]

I'd like to have laid the cards on the table and see if they ever
have developed a patch!
For months, no videos to the patch.
Or you develop a whole new engine?

written: by JG4_Widukind

translatet by Google

ÄNDÄ

[SiThSpAwN]

I'd like to have laid the cards on the table and see if they ever
have developed a patch!
For months, no videos to the patch.
Or you develop a whole new engine?

written: by JG4_Widukind

translatet by Google

ÄNDÄ

Well they have stated that the game will not look much different, its more performance than look, so nothing new to show...

[DroopSnoot]

Fail...Yet Again.

[Fjordmonkey]

Meh, all good. The patch'll be ready when it's done.

Some of the reactions here are far, far more entertaining than the patch will be anyway :)

[DroopSnoot]

Meh, all good. The patch'll be ready when it's done.

Some of the reactions here are far, far more entertaining than the patch will be anyway :)

You may well need that entertainment as I'm begining to suspect there will be very little people playing in the future if this cycle dont end :(

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Thanks for update. Have a good weekend. S!

[Fjordmonkey]

You may well need that entertainment as I'm begining to suspect there will be very little people playing in the future if this cycle dont end :(

I doubt that, to be honest, but then again I'm a strange creature :P

[BlackSix]

Corrected some Google errors in bold.

Thanks!
Можно использовать этот вариант перевода в моем первом посте?

[addman]

Too bad there'll be no patch this week either but at least this thread will provide some entertainment for the next few days. *popcorn popping*

[Ataros]

Можно использовать этот вариант перевода в моем первом посте?

Конечно.

[VO101_Tom]

Bf-109 E-4
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=153533&d=1334842797


Can someone translate these graphs pls?

[Drum_tastic]

I know the team are doing all they can to try and get this working and I believe eventually they will, but Christ on a bike this is boring.

I bought the collector’s edition over a year ago and paid 50 quid for it. Since then I have used it for only a few hours as it is so bad in its current state.

You see these fancy videos that people have made with the engine yet when you play the game it is nothing like that in my opinion. I don’t want a film making tool.

I really, really would just like to know what is wrong with this game and why it is still in such a state a year after it was released. I check the forum regularly but cannot explain why. Hanging on, I guess!

It’s just a stream of constant problems. Sorry to sound negative but that’s the way I feel.

[Ataros]

Can someone translate these graphs pls?

- pilot's manual
- game w. WEP
- game no WEP

PS. according to sukhoi the issue is "new graphical artefacts'. Good it is not CTD or dramatic FPS drop or stutters :)

[JG4_Bendwick]

I am talking only about the CTD, because you can not fly for 30 minutes at the piece
may, therefore I am upset!
I have no desire to ever go out of the game and erase the memory!

written by: JG4 Widukind

[Jaws2002]

Can someone translate these graphs pls?

I'm not exactly sure but I think blue line is speed in real world, grey line is without boost and purple line is with boost on.

[JG52Uther]

Too bad there'll be no patch this week either but at least this thread will provide some entertainment for the next few days. *popcorn popping*

:)

I'm disappointed, but will get on with my life as I have lots of other things to do until it turns up. Good to see the FM fixes. Would love to know if the bombsights and compass' in the bombers has been fixed.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

No problem B6,I for one am pleased you are getting it right before release,keep up the good work buddy,you'll get there;)

[Jatta Raso]

this patch has to come out right this time; rushing will do more harm than good, so 2 more weeks after this wait is rather bearable IMO

[SG1_Mino]

B6 i know that the beta hhave some problems but you can publish the beta with the graphic problem, because now the ctd problem is so ....

Id prefer some problem in graphic that ctd problem and think that lot people think the same. i think that publish can be a good alternative whiile we are waiting



Regards

[=FI=Scott]

Okay, no point releasing something that doesn't work but what I don't understand is how it can change so rapidly from 'testing going well, hope to release this week' to a beta test failure obviously so serious as to warrant a rewrite of the patch ?.

[VO101_Tom]

- pilot's manual
- game w. WEP
- game no WEP

PS. according to sukhoi the issue is "new graphical artefacts'. Good it is not CTD or dramatic FPS drop or stutters :)

Thank you.

[SiThSpAwN]

I know everyone is in a hurry to get the patch, I am too, but it makes no sense for them to release it with "known" issues. A beta patch is to be released so we can help find "unknown" issues. If they have known problems why wouldnt they fix them before they release to so we can focus on finding other things they missed or cant be caught internally...

B6 and group, stay on target, you have the right idea!

[Fjordmonkey]

Okay, no point releasing something that doesn't work but what I don't understand is how it can change so rapidly from 'testing going well, hope to release this week' to a beta test failure obviously so serious as to warrant a rewrite of the patch ?.

It's one of those cases where Murphy intervenes, excrement hits the rotary atmosphere agitator and such things.

Aka sh*t happens :P

[Ploughman]

Well I suppose the better it is when I next play CloD, the more likely I'll be to play it again. As it is, I don't.

Thanks for the update, a bit more information'd be nice B6 if you can get some out of those who know.

[CWMV]

Oh man...had me going that's for sure.
Regardless thanks for the consistent updates.

[Jatta Raso]

B6 please can't you get us a Spit 1a graph? i only fly Spits, the blues have their graphs and reds are left to wonder..:confused:

[SiThSpAwN]

Thats very true, however, many many months ago the beta was running perfectly fine apart from a small glitch in the decals, then it was particles, now the graphics engine in itself is causing problems that weren't there where when the decals were causing an issue. I smell excrement too.

The preferred method would have to be NOT replacing the entire graphics engine in a game that is already released, as this isnt how things should be done, but in this case have to be done, we have to understand that things will not happen as they should.

We are all frustrated... I am sure the Dev team is as well... they want to make new games and continue on into the future... spinning their wheels on an already released game cant be fun for anyone...

[jimson8]

Ok, then, still tuning my revamped system that is fairly minimal for this game and I know won't be able to handle it right now.

I'll buy when the new patch comes online.

[HeavyDelta]

It feels like I put 50 bucks in a "future game savings account". Now I'm just waiting for the day I can withdraw the game and play. :grin:

Oh well, at least the company didn't just pull up stakes and leave town in the middle of the night.

[=FI=Scott]

It's one of those cases where Murphy intervenes, excrement hits the rotary atmosphere agitator and such things.

Aka sh*t happens :P

Well aquainted with that theory but on the subject of sh*t happens, a flight sim with constipation, thats a new one on me. It's in obvious pain and then every so often it goes red in the face, its seems reasonable (and likely) to expect a performance and then....PFFFFT.......ahem.

Somebody, somewhere must be in overall charge of this, and I mean above Luthier? They must be having a meltdown that makes the forum ranters look like baby bunnies.

[Robert]

Thanks B6. It's tough being the messenger. I appreciate the update. Thanks to the development team for trying to get this out the door with few or no errors.

Like everyone else I'm frustrated, but hey. What'cha gonna do?

[pstyle]

B6 please can't you get us a Spit 1a graph? i only fly Spits, the blues have their graphs and reds are left to wonder..:confused:


I too would like to see such graphs.

Although i fear they would just be Copies of the 109E3 with minus 5% in all criteria ;)

[Falstaff]

Hayward, for God's sake belt up.

Tree's comments at least have their roots in reality.

Yours are merely Haywire rent-a-reaction stuff. Plus ca change, as is seldom said in Russia.

[15.Span_Valalo]

jjajajajajj.... more bla bla bla.....

I think that, I will go to buy Ferrary car and.... I will go to run to desert... but, in the desert, have roads to enzo ferrary???? jajaja... CLoD is the same... U will have more news and all great... but dont play him... oooooooooooooooooooooooo...

[Falstaff]

As for that old canard about 'write your own game or be quiet'...

Buyer: I bought a faulty car/stale loaf of bread/fridge that doesn't work

Seller: Well make your own, or we wont listen to your complaint, ner ner ner ner ner.

What utter piffleydom. As for the rheotrical drivel about code being posted, and looked at, well, piffle puffle....

[Jughead Jones]

I know the team are doing all they can to try and get this working and I believe eventually they will, but Christ on a bike this is boring.

I bought the collector’s edition over a year ago and paid 50 quid for it. Since then I have used it for only a few hours as it is so bad in its current state.

You see these fancy videos that people have made with the engine yet when you play the game it is nothing like that in my opinion. I don’t want a film making tool.

I really, really would just like to know what is wrong with this game and why it is still in such a state a year after it was released. I check the forum regularly but cannot explain why. Hanging on, I guess!

It’s just a stream of constant problems. Sorry to sound negative but that’s the way I feel.

I feel the same way. I especially agree with the lack of playing time due to a very poorly created multiplayer both in R.O.F. and C.O.D. There are just other games in my list that are so much more entertaining no matter how passionate I am about WW2 Aviation.

Do not get me wrong the ATAG server is not to shabby at all but remember the previews for this game promising giant scripted multiplayer missions with gobs of planes. then we get the game and it is here yah go, now make all the content yourself while we catch up on basics that should have been done already. I would rather wait another year or two for a game that is developed and contains a fleshed out 1C created multiplayer campaign that can run for months like in the trailer. Still this is the best we have at the moment and I try to be patient, but I can totally sympathize with your frustration and negativity.

[Falstaff]

Hayward said:

>>Yes, his comments that the devs should fill him in on the details of the problem are totally realistic.<<

Of course not, he is merely continuing down your rhetorical path with a hop,skip, and a jump. As you well know.

It may not the sanest suggestion, but it's a fair dinkum to link several supposedly minor errors, and ask what's up. As you well know.

>>That's why I'm supporting his demand to see the code. After all, you can't get more detailed than that. I'm sure we'll see a fix right after Tree_UK evaluates the code. <<

Well let me evaluate your code: Fails at run-time. Stack overflow.

[smink1701]

Hopes dashed once again. It must be a BIG issue or else they probably would have let it out the door. My biggest fear (figuratively speaking), is that when it does arrive, most will be able to tell the difference. Luthier has already stated that the look will be the same. Maybe it will run better on some machines but probably not all. Nothing about the new, glorious sounds Luthier mentioned months ago. After all this time the patch should really exceed our expectations to avoid the "We've waited six months for this:evil::evil:. My fingers are crossed for team Luthier that this puppy blows us away, everyone (most everyone ;)) starts drinking the 1C Kool-Aid once again and starts saving for the sequel.

[David Hayward]

>>Yes, his comments that the devs should fill him in on the details of the problem are totally realistic.<<

Of course not, he is merely continuing down your rhetorical path with a hop,skip, and a jump. As you well know.


He's not continuing anything I said. He accused them of lying. There's only 1 way to solve that problem. Give Tree the code.

[No145_Bunny]

Well I too bought CLoD a year ago and was like a happy school kid on Xmas day.

But I have learnt now to live with the crushing dissapointment that is CLoD now.

Some of the posts here do make me laugh though, instead of whining about CLoD go out a and play the best WW2 flight sim there is - IL2 1946. CLoD /BoM will never better it - not if you wait for 5 years!

Bunster

[Falstaff]

Hayward said:

>>Nothing rhetorical about it. Tree has accused them of lying about problems with the update. <<

Your posts remind me of the creepy kid always trying to get someone in trouble in the classroom. Consistently.

>>I have no idea why they'd lie about it, but I'd definitely like to see Tree's evaluation of the code. <<

Oh you little saint you. Butter wouldn't melt. Rhetorical is exactly the right word.

Tree may go a little far at times, but at least his reaction stems from a palpable sense of shock over the realse, and what has happened since. It is an honest, emotive reaction, and good for that.

Infinitely better than your squealing yelps of 'teacher, did you see that...?' and cursive stubborn high-horse questioning.

Frustration is allowed, and sometimes to be vented. Smarmy snide cheap-shots are generally to be avoided.

[David Hayward]

Tree may go a little far at times, but at least his reaction stems from a palpable sense of shock over the realse, and what has happened since. It is an honest, emotive reaction, and good for that.


It's been a year since the release mess. Get over it.

[swiss]

Well I wouldn't go that far, Im not here to make a flight sim, I already paid for one just over a year ago, i just want the one I already got to start working correctly at some point soon. I dont see your problem David, Im happy that you are more than content with your broken toy, it brings you joy and you love it, but some of us are not, you should respect our right to be miffed like i respect your right to be a hapless fanboy.

If I offer you to buy back your copy, will you finally stfu?

[Falstaff]

Hayward said (of Tree):

>>You said you wanted the truth. Here in the real world that implies that you think they're lying to you. <<

Crap. There is no if/then conditional statement in these two clauses that shows the second follows on directly from the first...if you want to get picky about it.

It may be a bit daft to ask for a narrow definition of where the code is going wrong - a bit like if you knew where you'd lost something, it wouldn't be lost - but no need for this get-a-reaction and snitch stuff. Low, low...

[David Hayward]

It may be a bit daft to ask for a narrow definition of where the code is going wrong -

Then you agree with me.

[HessleReich]

BOOOOM!

This thread went south old boy.

+1 to lateral thinking.

[Falstaff]

Hayward said:

>>Then you agree with me<<

No. I think you're a selective-quoting prat.

[JG52Uther]

Ignore list is great, I can only see half this thread! (The bits worth reading)
:)
I really do hope there are other things in the beta we don't know about, or I can actually imagine all the '6 months for this?' posts.

[Fjordmonkey]

I really do hope there are other things in the beta we don't know about, or I can actually imagine all the '6 months for this?' posts.

Those will undoubtedly come no matter how awesome the patch may or may not be :)

But hell, I'll settle for a game that's playable over time. That's enough for me. Until then I'll enjoy poking my head in here and watching the mayhem and exchange of opinions going back and forth like pingpong :D

[Chivas]

I don't know how many million lines of code there are, but there is a reason that there is inhouse testing, expanded inhouse testing, and sending out beta testing to a wider group. Its almost impossible to test every situation and bugs can be missed. You can fix a hundred bugs, but those fixes can create bugs in other graphic features. To suggest there is some sort of malicious skulduggery going on is beyond immature, when the developer can only guess when responding to the endless "when will it be finished questions".

[PLebre]

Just a question.

Is the laggy movement of the "manche" in cockpit view and external parties like flaps, etc, gonna be correct to smmoth movement, in this future patch?

[Stipe]

Where are the mods when you need them? Same people in every thread saying the same things over and over and over again. Grow up finally will you!? :evil:

[satchenko]

OK... really bad news...
"Two weeks" from now... 8-10 days fixing the problem, 3-4 days to test again...

;)

[addman]

Ignore list is great, I can only see half this thread! (The bits worth reading)
:)
I really do hope there are other things in the beta we don't know about, or I can actually imagine all the '6 months for this?' posts.

Well in last Friday update they said there's plenty more, I'm more interested about that then any performance increase.

[hc_wolf]

It's been a year since the release mess. Get over it.

I think it is funny that Ataros did not translate the sentence in Russian that said "Since we were unable to procure Tree_UK's experience, dedication and non-whinging personality to assist us in fixing COD, that we regret we will have to use dedicated programmers and our own brilliant staff to do what Tree_UK could have done between scratching his butt and sniffing his finger. SOrry all for the short delay while we fix these small bugs that we would like fixed you all can enjoy the fruits of the 1C teams labour.".

Well that is what spat out in google translate... :)

Thanks BS, gives me more time to build online missions. Overall I think the positive response from most has bee great. Wish your team the best! "

[Tree_UK]

I don't know how many million lines of code there are, but there is a reason that there is inhouse testing, expanded inhouse testing, and sending out beta testing to a wider group. Its almost impossible to test every situation and bugs can be missed. You can fix a hundred bugs, but those fixes can create bugs in other graphic features. To suggest there is some sort of malicious skulduggery going on is beyond immature, when the developer can only guess when responding to the endless "when will it be finished questions".

So what kind of maturity is shown releasing a product you know doesn't work, just out of interest?

[fruitbat]

Have you guys heard of PM?

[philip.ed]

I have sat back and watched this thread go down the drain, and I think I will post my views. Frankly it's the cause of one person, who has trolled in here and disrupted and harassed one user (just as he does in every topic).

I'm sorry to write this in bold, but hopefully a moderator will notice.

Tree posted a simple question in here to B6.

David Hayward responds. He has nothing positive to add to the topic, nothing constructive to say. His posts are merely to upset and provoke a reaction.
Oh, he says he's trying to help the devs with suggestions Tree should see the code? Laughable. It's bullying masquerading as snide vindictiveness.

And it's never-ending. Every time Tree posts, he's harassed; and when a user suggests a scheme to get him to shut-up, David agrees (which, incidentally, overturns any suggestion from David that he was posting to help the development process).

I don't care what it is Tree is posting, it doesn't condone David's constant responses. If it was so bad a moderator would step in


Back on topic, thanks for the update B6. I hope you get through it: it's clear to see that a lot of work is being done on this product.

[fruitbat]

Yes, its David Cameron isn't it? I always thought he might be involved in this debarcle!!

they certainly don't seem to be able to keep track of days at the moment, cough....

[Grifo]

thanks for update, B6.. and keep up the good work!
i think you don't need to give more explainations of what goes wrong or what doesn't.. I know team is working hard and is working to mantain alive this great series... the better you do for us, the best you have in your pocket and for your satisfaction IMHO
that's all i need to know

[Fjordmonkey]

Yes, its David Cameron isn't it? I always thought he might be involved in this debarcle!!

Thank you, Tree, for a good laugh :D

[Chivas]

So what kind of maturity is shown releasing a product you know doesn't work, just out of interest?

If you still don't understand why the product was released unfinished, then there is no point in any further discussion.

[=FI=Scott]

I doubt there is any meltdown, they have already trousered the cash from sales of CLOD well over a year ago, make no mistake this 'patch' is part of the development for the new game BOM, what will eventually benefit the long suffering customers will be a benefit to the Dev's also.

Not too sure about that. Devs say BoM is based on CoD engine, they want to sell BoM. Even among the CoD zelots (never mind the 'normal' simming community) who will jump in on BoM without some tangible proof the basic engine underneath it works ? Add to that the fact BoM is almost entirely fought over land, frequently at low level, nah, somebody will be frothing at the mouth over the prospect of that payday slipping away.

Anyway, looks like feeding time at the zoo is upon us, will leave you all to it and see whats what next week.

[tomandre81]

What about fuel? It is working in the B109, but not in the spits.
I want fuel!!! :p

[Force10]

I have sat back and watched this thread go down the drain, and I think I will post my views. Frankly it's the cause of one person, who has trolled in here and disrupted and harassed one user (just as he does in every topic).

I'm sorry to write this in bold, but hopefully a moderator will notice.

Tree posted a simple question in here to B6.

David Hayward responds. He has nothing positive to add to the topic, nothing constructive to say. His posts are merely to upset and provoke a reaction.
Oh, he says he's trying to help the devs with suggestions Tree should see the code? Laughable. It's bullying masquerading as snide vindictiveness.

And it's never-ending. Every time Tree posts, he's harassed; and when a user suggests a scheme to get him to shut-up, David agrees (which, incidentally, overturns any suggestion from David that he was posting to help the development process).

I don't care what it is Tree is posting, it doesn't condone David's constant responses. If it was so bad a moderator would step in




+1000 I wish the mods would do something about this **it disturber.

[priller26]

Problems? Not ready? Who would have thunk it.

[swiss]

Really, i never read a post from the Dev's saying please would you buy into this beta copy to help fund future development?


No, actually Oleg just said: It will be an unfinished game with current top end hardware being unable to handle it.
Pretty much spot on, don't you think?

[Stipe]

I have sat back and watched this thread go down the drain, and I think I will post my views. Frankly it's the cause of one person, who has trolled in here and disrupted and harassed one user (just as he does in every topic).

I'm sorry to write this in bold, but hopefully a moderator will notice.

Tree posted a simple question in here to B6.

David Hayward responds. He has nothing positive to add to the topic, nothing constructive to say. His posts are merely to upset and provoke a reaction.
Oh, he says he's trying to help the devs with suggestions Tree should see the code? Laughable. It's bullying masquerading as snide vindictiveness.

And it's never-ending. Every time Tree posts, he's harassed; and when a user suggests a scheme to get him to shut-up, David agrees (which, incidentally, overturns any suggestion from David that he was posting to help the development process).

I don't care what it is Tree is posting, it doesn't condone David's constant responses. If it was so bad a moderator would step in


Back on topic, thanks for the update B6. I hope you get through it: it's clear to see that a lot of work is being done on this product.

+1
I reported his first post for the reasons you wrote above. Clearly an intentional provocation. As always.

[Grifo]

Not too sure about that. Devs say BoM is based on CoD engine, they want to sell BoM. Even among the CoD zelots (never mind the 'normal' simming community) who will jump in on BoM without some tangible proof the basic engine underneath it works ? Add to that the fact BoM is almost entirely fought over land, frequently at low level, nah, somebody will be frothing at the mouth over the prospect of that payday slipping away.

Anyway, looks like feeding time at the zoo is upon us, will leave you all to it and see whats what next week.

that's the point Sir!

[David198502]

well, somehow i expected another delay, but still its very disappointing for me...
right now personally i really would prefer to install the beta even with the particle problems it seems to have...
but
what im really interested in, are the graphs...
if one looks at the G50 graph, this really seems to be close to the real thing now, but what about the other planes?there is still a pretty big difference between the performance in game and the pilot's manuals..
if you look at the 109s for example,...are you trying to make it closer to the real thing in the future at least?the same goes for the RAF planes of course, but we will have to wait for the graphs to be shown, to judge...i just want to have it as realistic as possible.....if you can do it for the G50, then you can do it for the other planes as well, so please DEVS, dont stop to tweak them.i wish you and us quick success for the current "graphics" problem.

[Force10]

No, actually Oleg just said: It will be an unfinished game with current top end hardware being unable to handle it.
Pretty much spot on, don't you think?


Didn't he say that before the 2006 release date? Or maybe the 2008 one? Hardware has advanced 5 to 7 years since then, so that statement is pretty much not valid anymore.

[klem]

I have sat back and watched this thread go down the drain, and I think I will post my views. Frankly it's the cause of one person, who has trolled in here and disrupted and harassed one user (just as he does in every topic).

I'm sorry to write this in bold, but hopefully a moderator will notice.

Tree posted a simple question in here to B6.

David Hayward responds. He has nothing positive to add to the topic, nothing constructive to say. His posts are merely to upset and provoke a reaction.
Oh, he says he's trying to help the devs with suggestions Tree should see the code? Laughable. It's bullying masquerading as snide vindictiveness.

And it's never-ending. Every time Tree posts, he's harassed; and when a user suggests a scheme to get him to shut-up, David agrees (which, incidentally, overturns any suggestion from David that he was posting to help the development process).

I don't care what it is Tree is posting, it doesn't condone David's constant responses. If it was so bad a moderator would step in


Back on topic, thanks for the update B6. I hope you get through it: it's clear to see that a lot of work is being done on this product.

Tree_UK for god's sake do what everyone else has and put David on your ignore list. Or at least don't play his game - or is it your game too?

[TRIK]

Omg omg omg omg i need my fix

[Gourmand]

so close...
thx for the news at least...
I share my pain with the dev'

[Tree_UK]

Tree_UK for god's sake do what everyone else has and put David on your ignore list. Or at least don't play his game - or is it your game too?

Just done it klem, I shouldn't get drawn in I know. I apologise.

[David Hayward]

I accept your apology.

[furbs]

That's a great question, Tree_UK. Hopefully he'll post the code for us and you can help them fix it.


Troll...

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By furbs9999 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/furbs9999) at 2012-01-17

[Dano]

Lol, lot of ivory towers in here today.

[JG52Uther]

Its simple. If everyone ignored trolls, they would go away, because no one would be responding.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JG52Uther/cp.jpg
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[Dano]

Yeh, but then there'd only be about half a dozen people left discussing things :p

[satchenko]

My lovely animated gif! Here we go again...

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif

[kendo65]

Disappointing news...but we should all look on the bright side...this means we'll probably get to see more nice pictures of Russian villages tomorrow.

Yay!! :-D:-D:-D

(I heard a rumour that the CIA have devised a new technique to break the tougher prisoners at Guantanamo - they lock them in a cell and have them wait for a COD patch...)

[satchenko]

Disappointing news...but we should all look on the bright side...this means we'll probably get to see more nice pictures of Russian villages tomorrow.

Yay!! :-D:-D:-D

(I heard a rumour that the CIA have devised a new technique to break the tougher prisoners at Guantanamo - they lock them in a cell and have them wait for a COD patch...)

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

[Buchon]

http://gallery.nekito.net/albums/album05/Anya_Popcorn.gif

[satchenko]

Two weeks at least...

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/66250_o.gif

[Aer9o]

Hot and cold! ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3y0S9Iz8zQ&feature=fvst

[Attila]

I heard a rumour that the CIA have devised a new technique to break the tougher prisoners at Guantanamo - they lock them in a cell and have them wait for a COD patch...)

There is no doubt, that's torture and it's not allowed!:grin:

[Buchon]

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-09-Psych.gif

[kendo65]

Sod the game...let's all get pissed!!

[Dano]

Sod the game...let's all get pissed!!

Already started :D

[kendo65]

First round is on Dano! (to celebrate his 1000th post :):grin: )

[Buchon]

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Popcorn-11-Eddie-Griffin.gif

[5./JG27.Farber]

Sod the game...let's all get pissed!!

Fekk... I just convinced myself I wasn't gonna drink tonight... Now I have to reason it all to myself again... Thanks allot.

[Ataros]

the long suffering customers

Sounds more like "the long suffering patients".

[ZG15_FALKE]

Fekk... I just convinced myself I wasn't gonna drink tonight... Now I have to reason it all to myself again... Thanks allot.

Prost!

[tomandre81]

I know, I have complained myself over this game and the bugs,
but the fact is I have enjoyed il2 cliffs of dover more than any other flight sim. Have put over 100 hours in it and are still flying it. Can't say I have that with other games / sims.
The only other game I have equally many hours is maybe X-Com UFO :p

[KG26_Alpha]

The usual suspects posts removed ....................
and thank them for getting the thread locked out.

BlackSix is aware of this and he will re-open it if he feels its necessary.


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Finding yourself banned or receiving infractions due to not reading the rules is your fault no one else's.





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