Some sad news

[Friedric]

Not that big ... But my Microsoft force Feedback 2 died today (:
Sundenly i lost power on it , Then i reinstalled back the stick but my force feedback was to strong and i could not change it with the software ((

Stil after i disconected it it from pc and powernet it was stil on strong force feedback

So i wil need a nother joystick

Maybe i wil by a nother Microsoft Force feedback 2 , but i dont now here to look

or any other good stick with force feedback would do

money is no option for me ;)

[Friedric]

But i also wanted to now wat are the other members here using for joystick and wat are the best ;)

Because i can hardly believe that the MS FFB2 is the only good stick out there

[96th_Nightshifter]

My MSFFB2 has been going strong for about 6 years and I also bought a back up off of ebay earlier on today "just in case".

Basically if it ever breaks I don't want a different joystick as this IMHO is still the best; some sticks may have more features but for sheer long life, ease of use and reliability I think you'll find that this stick is hard to beat.

[choctaw111]

I was using the MSFF and MSFF2. They were good sticks (and I still have them) but I switched to the CH Fighterstick and have loved it ever since. There is a rumble pad that you can put under your stick to give that FF feel, but it still will not give you that stick feel when you are near a stall...you know, when your stick starts to get all "floppy" when you loose airspeed. That is the one feature I really liked about the MSFF sticks.
The one thing I really like about the CH Fighterstick is how it fits my hand, and the many buttons it has (24). It is a good quality stick that I have been using for about 5 years, and still going strong, with no signs of wear.

[proton45]

I keep thinking about ordering one of these...

http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=27947627&extid=Froogle

Gogamer still has some "new old stock" FF Sidewinders...

[334th_Gazoo0]

I keep thinking about ordering one of these...

http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=27947627&extid=Froogle

Gogamer still has some "new old stock" FF Sidewinders...

The only problem is they don't ship out of the US. I was hoping to buy one my self but I'm in Canada.

Quote from their site: GoGamer does not ship to International Destinations at this time. All orders placed on Friday with overnight shipping will be delivered on Monday. FedEx Saturday delivery is available.

[proton45]

that sucks... I guess you don't have any American friends(?)...then you could have it shipped to their house and then they ship it to you.

[SlipBall]

Sorry to hear of the death:(...I use the CH line and can highly recomend their products. You could if wanted to, buy a new un-used MSFFB on e-bay. What the heck, buy two:-P

[Feuerfalke]

Tip from a stickmodder: Buy another joystick and a USB-rumble-pad (ebay <5$), connect the pad to the base of the joystick and plug them both in. Forcefeedback-joystick complete. ;)

[Friedric]

Sorry to hear of the death:(...I use the CH line and can highly recomend their products. You could if wanted to, buy a new un-used MSFFB on e-bay. What the heck, buy two:-P

I searched and i can only find used one's :confused:

[Friedric]

yes treu not outside us (((

[SlipBall]

I searched and i can only find used one's :confused:



Yes it will take some time to find a new one. I bought a new MSFFB 2 Red box, but I searched e-bay every 5 days or so for a few weeks. It all depends on how bad you want one, they do appear, but biding will be strong. I paid 185.00 US

Here is a couple of them

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder-Force-Feedback-2-Joystick-Open-Box_W0QQitemZ110241857225QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62053Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[RockStar]

CH Products rock... 1000% happy with all of my CH gear.

[Friedric]

Yes it will take some time to find a new one. I bought a new MSFFB 2 Red box, but I searched e-bay every 5 days or so for a few weeks. It all depends on how bad you want one, they do appear, but biding will be strong. I paid 185.00 US

Here is a couple of them

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder-Force-Feedback-2-Joystick-Open-Box_W0QQitemZ110241857225QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62053Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Nice

Again money is no problem for me

i wish i could buy a new one , realy bad

But i dont now any one in the usa :(

I order today a used one for 132£ :-P

I realy want a new one :(

[hynkel]

I still got my MSFF1 in combo with an Saitek X45 and it still works.....and if it would lay down and die i got an MSFF2 in reserve.

[Bearcat]

Wow.. I don't hear about that too often... To those who do not use FFB... it is more than just the gunshake and stall warning.. that stuff is good.. but for me it is the tactile feel.... the solenoids in a MSFFB2 do things that no spring can do... No matter how good the stick... a spring cant transfer a hole in the wing to your hand.... a FFB stick can... I have one that has been going strong since 2001... and another in the closet.. The best joystick ever made IMO. To daate anyway.

[dflion]

These sticks are just the best - mine is still ok and I have brought a 'back-up' stick from Ebay (that might be the best way to go Friedric?)

Poor old Microsoft did not really know what they had got when they decided to discontinue the range.

When I recently upgraded my computer, I had to buy and old soundcard with a MIDI connection to keep my old stick going. Mine was so old, I did not have a USB connection.(desperate flight- simmer!)

Apart from its 'great feel' when flying, one of the best features I like about these sticks is that I can use the throttle and fly, using the same hand. I brought a Saitek stick and found it very awkward to do this. There are probably other sticks that can do this?

Keep trying, all the MSFFB stick flyers no exactly how you feel.
DFLion

[Blackdog_kt]

Is it possible to buy and use a X45 throttle separately? I have a MS sidewinder precision pro (no FFB on that one though) and while it's very rugged, a couple of the buttons on the base are a bit unresponsive after all these years.

So, i was looking on buying a separate throttle for the extra buttons and having an extra slider (one for throttle and one for pitch). However, i think i read somewhere that the X45 can't be used on its own and you need to keep the x45 stick plugged in as well.Any ideas?

[-Sulan-]

I also have an FFB2, lovely stick me thinks! The force feedback is so great with the IL-2 series especially. You can really feel it when you're on the edge of stalling on those tight turns, it's also nice how it stiffens as more air passes over the control surfaces. It would be even nicer if the sticks force moved to reflect your trim position (it does in Lockon :D ). I have gunshake disabled though, my aim is better without it...

Has anyone tryed the Saitek Evo ffb stick or the Logitech one? Are they any good?
The one thing I don't like about the msffb2 is that you can feel the stepper motors as you move the stick... Otherwise it's great, I've had mine for 5 yrs and the only fault is that the trigger sticks every now and then :)

[proton45]

I had an EVO with force feedback that broke a few months back, and I replaced it with the Saitek "Avi8tor". Its a good stick, but I really, really, really miss the information the "FF" gave me...its too easy to "stall out" when doing a "split s" or a "hard break" with out the shudder info...I never know how hard to pull the stick....I have to learn to fly all over again.

[madsarmy]

. it is more than just the gunshake and stall warning.. that stuff is good.. but for me it is the tactile feel.... the solenoids in a MSFFB2 do things that no spring can do...

I like the feel when the rudder & ailerons get heavy & sluggish when doing high speed dives.Gives you a good insight to how all the AC handle so differently.

When I got my first FF2 I'd bought a spare by the end of the same week.

[workky]

Ive got 4 MSFFB2's.I bought 2 of them brand new.One of them i paid 39.00 for on closeout.In my opinion,they are the best FFB joystick on the planet.I will not fly with anything else.I have tried every FFB joystick on the market and they all suck.I Agree with Bearcat.I know Ch has the best in many eyes,and im sure they do.But they dont make a FFB.And this is something i cannot fly without.It took me about a week to get use to it.I also have the first version ,just to see if it was just as good.Its close ,but not quite there.

[mazex]

Well, I sign the long list of MSFFB2 fans too... No other FFB joystick I have tried is good enough. I only have one that is getting really old now and I can imagine your agony when it failed...

Good luck finding a replacement!