Friday Update, April 6, 2012

[Opitz]

Bingo!

Same reasoning goes into why I don't fly CoD online with my forum handle.


I don't understand why you are so scared... None else except people like you play this game right now...

[F19_Klunk]

I don't understand why you are so scared... None else except people like you play this game right now...


Maybe it has to do whit the nickname itself... to fly online with a name such as "ace-of aces" demands an extremely able pilot .. ;)

[Force10]

I don't understand why you are so scared... None else except people like you play this game right now...

I would fly with my forum name but for those that dabble in the art of "douchebaggery" tend to conceal their forum name online, it cuts down on friendly fire incidents.

[Chivas]

And we wonder why we don't all get along. LMFAO

[Krt_Bong]

My message to 1C:
Dear Sirs,
please do not release the patch before it is ready, however if when the patch is released there is nothing anyone can truly see but performance tweaks include something that the community CAN see (like the Su-26) so they at least have something that they can get excited about before they start complaining again.

(Personally if the Grand Patch comes out and nothing "looks" different I see a huge amount of whining and moaning on the horizon shortly after)

Your Truly
a member of the above mentioned community

[bw_wolverine]

If the patch comes out and absolutely NOTHING changes EXCEPT I don't get Launcher.exe crashes, I will call it a complete success.

[Winger]

If the patch comes out and absolutely NOTHING changes EXCEPT I don't get Launcher.exe crashes, I will call it a complete success.

TOTALLY Agree!

[6S.Manu]

If the patch comes out and absolutely NOTHING changes EXCEPT I don't get Launcher.exe crashes, I will call it a complete success.

WOW... The bar is really low... :)

I'm not going to play seriously until the FMs are fixed.

[bw_wolverine]

WOW... The bar is really low... :)

I'm going to play seriously until the FMs are fixed.

At this point? Yes. The bar is that low. There's plenty of fun to be had with the game as is, but ONLY if the game doesn't crash.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I beleive what is unaccounted for on these forums is the " silent majority". I read the update thread twice a month maybe, less as time goes on.As a cosumer I view this this sim as" competing" for my entertainment dollars. There is little entertainment value in the on-line experience that crashes constantly , off line is not much better with the constant freezes. I would venture a guess that the majority of would be consumers do not even post, they just move on to other interests or forms of entertainment.
The current state of this sim combined with the choice for the next (BOM) installment has left most folks i converse with looking for other aerial combat sims.
The graphics and damage model are light years ahead of IL-2 1946, but so are some of the other flight sims on the market. As for the potential, actions always speak louder than words.

[Kwiatek]

WOW... The bar is really low... :)

I'm not going to play seriously until the FMs are fixed.

Well said. Without FM/DM and other improvments still it wouldnt be too much sense to play CLoD.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Being able to play online and practice with squadmates with out the game stuttering and crashing would be a grand thing though.

[F19_Klunk]

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The current state of this sim combined with the choice for the next (BOM) installment has left most folks i converse with looking for other aerial combat sims.
The graphics and damage model are light years ahead of IL-2 1946, but so are some of the other flight sims on the market. As for the potential, actions always speak louder than words.

Maybe You are right, but it seems to me that the Russian market is, and always has been Maddox Games' most important market, thus the choice of next theatre (if we ever end up there) is both obvious and economically sound.

I do agree though with your final point; "... actions always speak louder than words." So True, and unfortunately we have mostly seen words....

[Ze-Jamz]

Being able to play online and practice with squadmates with out the game stuttering and crashing would be a grand thing though.

Agreed but for me personally I didn't have lots of crashes and tbh I think there are other factors at steak as to why a lot if not most don't play this game as it is..FM's are and have always been a massive part of flight sims especially this series..

A patch that just improves performance will bring a lot more whinging about these things because more people will be able to experience it or shall we say it will be highlighted more..just my 2 cents

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's reason for not playing this game was just down to crashes?

[ElAurens]

I stopped playing only because of the crashes.

It made no sense to fly for 20 minutes then end up on the desktop, over and over and over...

Or line up a flight of Ju 88s and... CTD.

If I want frustration, I'll just go back to work.

[EvilJoven]

I beleive what is unaccounted for on these forums is the " silent majority". I read the update thread twice a month maybe, less as time goes on.As a cosumer I view this this sim as" competing" for my entertainment dollars. There is little entertainment value in the on-line experience that crashes constantly , off line is not much better with the constant freezes. I would venture a guess that the majority of would be consumers do not even post, they just move on to other interests or forms of entertainment.
The current state of this sim combined with the choice for the next (BOM) installment has left most folks i converse with looking for other aerial combat sims.
The graphics and damage model are light years ahead of IL-2 1946, but so are some of the other flight sims on the market. As for the potential, actions always speak louder than words.

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

[Wolf_Rider]

I guess you're just helping to make it (in your words) horrible then... :rolleyes:

[Frequent_Flyer]

Maybe You are right, but it seems to me that the Russian market is, and always has been Maddox Games' most important market, thus the choice of next theatre (if we ever end up there) is both obvious and economically sound.



I would agree the Russian market is an important one,however i think the western market place is much larger. I think they would capture more evenue with Med. theater sim. Although the state of the sim would dictate the simple Eastern front vs a much more complex and diverse PTO.

[bw_wolverine]

After tonight's group flying, I will again say that the crashes are definitely the MAJOR issue with regard to my enjoyment of the game.

Everything else, at this point, is gravy and good will towards customers.

Tonight could have been much much better save for the launcher.exe crashes.

[klem]

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

The acid test for me is simply this: while TD's IL-2 1946 4.11 is a huge improvement on the IL-2 1946 left us by 1C/Maddox Games I still find myself preferring to fly CoD. It just feels better, even with the stunted FMs. Now, why is that if CoD is "so terrible"?

Take away all the incidental stuff like the GUI which doesn't affect the actual flying, fly on line (I know that's not a preference for some), take the excellent support of the community servers like ATAG, live with the FMs for now because a Rotol Hurricane gives me a fighting chance against the 109s and restart the game each sortie. Not perfect by a very long country mile but I still prefer it to IL-2 '46. No, it isn't the BoB yet but its very enjoyable.

[5./JG27.Farber]

After tonight's group flying, I will again say that the crashes are definitely the MAJOR issue with regard to my enjoyment of the game.

Everything else, at this point, is gravy and good will towards customers.

Tonight could have been much much better save for the launcher.exe crashes.

Agreed.


Take away all the incidental stuff like the GUI which doesn't affect the actual flying, fly on line (I know that's not a preference for some), take the excellent support of the community servers like ATAG, live with the FMs for now because a Rotol Hurricane gives me a fighting chance against the 109s and restart the game each sortie. Not perfect by a very long country mile but I still prefer it to IL-2 '46. No, it isn't the BoB yet but its very enjoyable.

Yep. I cant even play 1946 anymore.

[Hooves]

I stopped playing only because of the crashes.

It made no sense to fly for 20 minutes then end up on the desktop, over and over and over...

Or line up a flight of Ju 88s and... CTD.

If I want frustration, I'll just go back to work.


Well said Sir, well said.

deeply agree on all accounts.

[Catseye]

I stopped playing only because of the crashes.

It made no sense to fly for 20 minutes then end up on the desktop, over and over and over...

Or line up a flight of Ju 88s and... CTD.

If I want frustration, I'll just go back to work.

And yet there are many of us that have not had a crash for weeks. I fly every day for about 3 hours and my settings are pretty much maxed out. No crash or freeze for weeks.

System specs and settings may be an issue for some.

[bw_wolverine]

And yet there are many of us that have not had a crash for weeks. I fly every day for about 3 hours and my settings are pretty much maxed out. No crash or freeze for weeks.

System specs and settings may be an issue for some.

That doesn't mean it's not a major issue.

I have an i7. I have a 580 GTX. I have 12gb of RAM. I still get a game crash once every two nights of playing. Usually when I forget to restart the game between sorties.

I think my system is pretty good. This is a bigger issue than someone not having a decent enough computer.

Oh, I've even reduced my graphics settings in some areas to see if it helps. Nope.

[von Pilsner]

And yet there are many of us that have not had a crash for weeks. I fly every day for about 3 hours and my settings are pretty much maxed out. No crash or freeze for weeks.

System specs and settings may be an issue for some.

That's great that you are having good luck, I assume you mean online flying.

There are enough users having this issue across many different hardware configurations that it is not simply a matter of lowering graphics settings.

http://www.google.com/search?ix=heb&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cliffs+of+dover+memory+leak+launcher#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=cliffs+of+dover+launcher+crash&oq=cliffs+of+dover+launcher+crash&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...0l0l3l123946l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0.fr gbld.&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=af73696fe4de10c7&biw=853&bih=400

[Skoshi Tiger]

Unfortunately if the problem was consistent accross all systems then it would be easier to isolate and fix. Intermittent or non consistent errors are exponentially harder to find and correct.

For ages I had issues with the original IL-2, ROF, Call of Duty and a-10 crashing to desktop and it ended up being a CODEC setting for FFDShow. Putting my games on an exclusion list and it solved the problem.

Touch wood, I'm haven't had the CTD issue in CoD

[5./JG27.Farber]

Unfortunately if the problem was consistent accross all systems then it would be easier to isolate and fix. Intermittent or non consistent errors are exponentially harder to find and correct.

For ages I had issues with the original IL-2, ROF, Call of Duty and a-10 crashing to desktop and it ended up being a CODEC setting for FFDShow. Putting my games on an exclusion list and it solved the problem.

Touch wood, I'm haven't had the CTD issue in CoD

Wiat what? What? you did what and never got a CTD... :mad:

Tell us more you mad fool~! :-P

[speculum jockey]

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just don't post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look at other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

I'm a member on a forum with 160,000+ members, and there is an ongoing CLOD thread. The typical discussions are... (in order of most coverage).

1. "What's wrong with the people on the banana forums?"
2. "Did you see what they asked for? Who would even care about that in a flight sim?"
3. What are the Dev's thinking? Do they think the 1C forums represent the majority of fans?
4. When are they going to add some content, make CO-OP creation easier, etc?
5. WHAT!?! Battle of Moscow? Are they ever going to finish Cliffs of Dover (the game content, not the engine).

Every time someone new posts in that thread asking, "Hey, should I pick up CLOD?" They invariable end up getting DSC-A10, or Rise of Flight, or one of the other flight sims out there. I think that Cliffs of Dover is great for the flight sim Genre because so many people either get fed up with it, or are told not to buy it that they end up getting a different game instead.

And it's not like that thread is full of arcade players. There are actual real pilots, people who do vatsim in FSX, and people who can start up the Blackshark or A-10 without having to once refer to any manual. They all agree, CLOD is not fun as is, and it has nothing to do with crashes or FPS.

Then again they're not the kind of people to "scream like a little girl" (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=406410&postcount=22) when they see the window framss in the new buildings.

[addman]

I'm a member on a forum with 160,000+ members, and there is an ongoing CLOD thread. The typical discussions are... (in order of most coverage).

1. "What's wrong with the people on the banana forums?"
2. "Did you see what they asked for? Who would even care about that in a flight sim?"
3. What are the Dev's thinking? Do they think the 1C forums represent the majority of fans?
4. When are they going to add some content, make CO-OP creation easier, etc?
5. WHAT!?! Battle of Moscow? Are they ever going to finish Cliffs of Dover (the game content, not the engine).

Every time someone new posts in that thread asking, "Hey, should I pick up CLOD?" They invariable end up getting DSC-A10, or Rise of Flight, or one of the other flight sims out there. I think that Cliffs of Dover is great for the flight sim Genre because so many people either get fed up with it, or are told not to buy it that they end up getting a different game instead.

And it's not like that thread is full of arcade players. There are actual real pilots, people who do vatsim in FSX, and people who can start up the Blackshark or A-10 without having to once refer to any manual. They all agree, CLOD is not fun as is, and it has nothing to do with crashes or FPS.

Then again they're not the kind of people to "scream like a little girl" (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=406410&postcount=22) when they see the window framss in the new buildings.

Good post Speculum and I agree, the banana is a separate entity all together from the rest of the sim community. Like an isolated island where animals have developed "differently" from species found on major continents.:) Oh! also regarding my post you mentioned at the end there, it's the second time I've had to explain I was being sarcastic, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate so well onto internet forums eh?:)

[furbs]

My sqd mates agree, we have all brought CLOD but dont play it, we all WANT to play but the non existent BOB content and problems are just too much trouble and were not really interested in DFS's, we want online wars and COOP's.

Were all waiting for CLOD to become a BOB simulation, at the moment its just not, its a online small number, low level engagement over the sea, with BOB planes.

[speculum jockey]

Good post Speculum and I agree, the banana is a separate entity all together from the rest of the sim community. Like an isolated island where animals have developed "differently" from species found on major continents.:) Oh! also regarding my post you mentioned at the end there, it's the second time I've had to explain I was being sarcastic, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate so well onto internet forums eh?:)

It's just such a perfect quote. I couldn't help but use it! :grin:

My sqd mates agree, we have all brought CLOD but dont play it, we all WANT to play but the non existent BOB content and problems are just too much trouble and were not really interested in DFS's, we want online wars and COOP's.

Were all waiting for CLOD to become a BOB simulation, at the moment its just not, its a online small number, low level engagement over the sea, with BOB planes.

Exactly! Even trying the single-player campaign feels like a random quick mission against the AI. There is nothing to draw me in or hold my attention. As for online dogfights, once you've been jumped by a plane flying through trees, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

The fans that would make this game a success, critical and financial are begging for some manner of SEOW, an online war, anything that makes every aircraft that you lose/shoot down matter. That's what this game and community is asking for. People say, "pffft! Go back to your FPS". Right now CLOD online is a first person shooter! Hop into a random battle, last one standing wins! There is no tracking of info, no difference made to the overall picture if you do well or not, just a score card while the next random dogfight loads.

[kendo65]

What has everyone got against fence posts anyway..? :) Had an unfortunate accident a few years ago maybe?

Seriously though (or as seriously as I can muster over this) anyone who can't understand that the point was not about fence posts but about the overall effect created in producing a realistic looking Russian village (in a thread that specifically asked for feedback about realistic Russian villages) is either pretty thick or has spent so much time being a professional cynical old fart they no longer know how to be anything else.

[speculum jockey]

What has everyone got against fence posts anyway..? :) Had an unfortunate accident a few years ago maybe?

Seriously though (or as seriously as I can muster over this) anyone who can't understand that the point was not about fence posts but about the overall effect created in producing a realistic looking Russian village (in a thread that specifically asked for feedback about realistic Russian villages) is either pretty thick or has spent so much time being a professional cynical old fart they no longer know how to be anything else.

I forgot to add that to the list,

6. "Ways the Devs distract their fans with inconsequential garbage from the fact that CLOD will never be finished." (the game, not the engine).

[MegOhm]

Unfortunately if the problem was consistent accross all systems then it would be easier to isolate and fix. Intermittent or non consistent errors are exponentially harder to find and correct.

For ages I had issues with the original IL-2, ROF, Call of Duty and a-10 crashing to desktop and it ended up being a CODEC setting for FFDShow. Putting my games on an exclusion list and it solved the problem.

Touch wood, I'm haven't had the CTD issue in CoD

I Have not had CTD problems with those other games and I have run them on several different systems over the years.

I have had 2 hour flights in custom Scripted COOP missions in COD but that is rare. That was hosting in MP but noone joined, so I was by myself although in MP mode. When our squad does hook up with 3 or 4 others in MP, The CTD is inevitable 30 minutes in...almost every time for me. A little less frequent for my squad mates, but it happens eventually.

BTW for the majority...we should not have to restart COD after every mission.... If there are truly some out there that have no CTD issues with COD... That is just wonderful and amazing...but hard to believe.

ffdshow? The below description is from their site....

"ffdshow tryouts picked up where ffdshow left off and is a DirectShow and Video for Windows codec with support for a wide range of audio and video formats, such as Xvid, DivX, and H.264. It includes a powerful filter set that can enhance the video quality - with filters for resizing, deinterlacing, and displaying subtitles - as well as audio quality through normalization, down-/upmixing, and resampling."

http://ffdshow-tryout.sourceforge.net/

I have never tried this. Maybe there is something to it?

I have also been trying out Game Booster 3 from iobit lately with mixed results...needs more testing. It cannot hurt to free up your resources.

http://www.iobit.com/gamebooster.html

IMHO...we should not have to jump through hoops to try to make this Sim work. But we do try...because we want it to.

Meanwhile...still waiting for the "patch of the Future" to see where it puts COD.

[carguy_]

Then again they're not the kind of people to "scream like a little girl" (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=406410&postcount=22) when they see the window framss in the new buildings.
OK, I did not like this update at all. Showing manable tanks in action is very different from showing a group of countryside houses.

Then again I didn`t go on a 13 page rampage to tell the devs how I feel about it.

[carguy_]

My sqd mates agree, we have all brought CLOD but dont play it, we all WANT to play but the non existent BOB content and problems are just too much trouble and were not really interested in DFS's, we want online wars and COOP's.
Excellent. I believe online squads mainly look for coops and I hope that the devs will get the message.

Although as soon as the worthy patch comes out, and the words about CloD being worthy aswell spreads, I`m sure it will pick up pretty quickly on popularity. We can criticize CloD but we shouldn`t deny that there are pretty many people waiting for the real thing to happen.

And although I find comparing CloD to Duke Nukem Forever outrageous, I can`t help but feel the similar taste of disappointment.

[Tree_UK]

Excellent. I believe online squads mainly look for coops and I hope that the devs will get the message.

Although as soon as the worthy patch comes out, and the words about CloD being worthy aswell spreads, I`m sure it will pick up pretty quickly on popularity. We can criticize CloD but we shouldn`t deny that there are pretty many people waiting for the real thing to happen.

And although I find comparing CloD to Duke Nukem Forever outrageous, I can`t help but feel the similar taste of disappointment.

I think your right, I still firmly believe that if the product is fixed all the nonsense and bull crap that as happened since release will soon be forgotton. It doesn't matter what side of the fence you are currently on the mass majority simply want to enjoy this product and if its fixed the news will spread very quick.

S!

[fruitbat]

with the game working and co-ops, word would spread like wildfire.