Can anyone please recommend a good CRT=2 vanilla server?

[jermin]

I only play stock game. But ever since mods came out, hyperlobby has been gradually occupied by arcade servers (external views, cockpit off, padlock on, extremely close spawning bases etc. And most of them are NOT CRT protected because they claim to accept mods)

Right now it is very hard to find a decent vanilla IL2 server with CRT=2 enabled where veteran players like me can play on.

I don't like to play with arcade players in those arcade servers because there is no fun there. Everybody is flying I-185-71M, La-7, J2M and Spit 25lb, although it is nice to practice your skills with those open-pit fliers. But you'll soon get bored in the air quakes. I was like playing Counter-Strike in the cockpit.

What's worse, because mods are allowed there. I don't know if some of them are flying aircrafts with improved FM. (Many mods do this, right?)

So, if you know any popular crt=2 enabled stock servers with historical settings where teamwork can come into play, please write them out here.

Thanks

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

I forward that request. Hyperlobby provides no good adress currently. Fallenangels (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29111) is one, but its rarely populated, same as Spitvs109.

I'm also interested in adresses (servers, online wars), running outside the HL.

[WhistlinggDeath]

Jermin, you appear to be an astute student of ACM. LOL

How true your comments are.

The problem these days is that online membership in Hyperlobby (say averaged throughout an entire week) is perhaps at most 200 guys per day, online thru Hyperlobby and another 200 guys per day, thru Xfire typically at about 8 PM EST (North America). It has really dwindled from just two years ago. And the few servers that have more than 10 guys flying now are mostly arcade open pit UFO contests. With you in mind and crt=2 (which does not stop all mods btw), try :

WarClouds (crt=2 and 4.11 patch needed) Xfire and HL
Spits vs 109s 4.10.1 version (crt=2 last I checked and full real) Xfire and HL
Grij Dedicado (no crt but uses patch 4.11, almost full real) Xfire and HL
Frontovoe Nebo (crt =2 and 4.10.1, closed pit) Xfire only
Yakutusk-Online (crt=2 and 4.10.1 closed pit) Xfire only
WD Fights (crt=2 with some special mod checks, 4.10.1 and full real) Xfire only

Hope that helps as a starting base. - S! - WD

[jermin]

Thanks. Just as you said, IL-2 is no more a serious flight simulation game online. I really missed the good old days when I flew in greater-green and spits vs 109s stock.

Actually a multitude of serious simmers (not those arcade gamers, no offense) has left the game since the mods came out and I've never seen them coming back. Even some large squadron completely disappeared from the community.

I really hope TD will take time to consider encrypting IL-2 in the next patch to save the dying online community.

Edit: Just noticed that most of them are still running 4.10.1m. Since they aren't running mods, why do they stay at 4.10.1m? They don't like the patch?

[Zorin]

Thanks. Just as you said, IL-2 is no more a serious flight simulation game online. I really missed the good old days when I flew in greater-green and spits vs 109s stock.

Actually a multitude of serious simmers (not those arcade gamers, no offense) has left the game since the mods came out and I've never seen them coming back. Even some large squadron completely disappeared from the community.

I really hope TD will take time to consider encrypting IL-2 in the next patch to save the dying online community.

Edit: Just noticed that most of them are still running 4.10.1m. Since they aren't running mods, why do they stay at 4.10.1m? They don't like the patch?

1. There were servers like you are looking for, especially UKdedicated2 and 3. Closed pit and/or full real and with historical missions run 24/7, but due to you guys not showing up there, they had to be closed or converted. So don't blame it all on the mods if you don't take to the services provided.

2. Childish move to abandon a game you love because mods appear... If you don't use them and don't allow them in your circles of clans and sqauds, where is the problem in the first place?

3. They are still running 4.10.1 because taking advantage of the new features takes time to implement. All the new FMB features, fuzes and such require reworking target sites and loadout restrictions etc. So give it time.

[O_TaipaN]

Are the XFire only servers popular? I only have hyperlobby, is it worth putting XFire on?

I also don't understand why haven't these servers upgraded to 4.11?

Mods I understand as I love the cockpits and eyecandy from Ultrapack and I've loaded those SFS files in my 4.11m.

I've only just starting playing IL-2 online coming from ROF, and I can't understand all the wonder-woman view servers as well :evil:
It's a flight sim, not Doom. To me one of the best things in a sim is the cockpits, especially the modded ones.

But I guess it's been like this for years, too late to change it now. I think ROF did the right thing by never adding a wonder woman view to cheapen the game.

My best hope might be to try out XFire.

[Monguse]

Also

FallenAngels411 full difficulty settings except speedbar CRT=2.

You can find it on Hypperlobby

[TheGrunch]

I recommend trying Xfire for a few more good servers that don't show up on HL. Only problem with Xfire is that the difficulty settings are not very readable.

[jermin]

1. There were servers like you are looking for, especially UKdedicated2 and 3. Closed pit and/or full real and with historical missions run 24/7, but due to you guys not showing up there, they had to be closed or converted. So don't blame it all on the mods if you don't take to the services provided.

2. Childish move to abandon a game you love because mods appear... If you don't use them and don't allow them in your circles of clans and sqauds, where is the problem in the first place?

3. They are still running 4.10.1 because taking advantage of the new features takes time to implement. All the new FMB features, fuzes and such require reworking target sites and loadout restrictions etc. So give it time.

Answers:

1. I don't recall UKdedicated servers being serious ones. Didn't they run on an arcade setting? Besides, none of them were as popular as the best servers on hyperlobby in the history of IL2, such as greater green, winds of war, spits vs 109 etc.

2. From where did you made that assumption? The appearance of mods has opened up the Pandora box and cheating started to spread, which drove those serious gamers away. That's why there are so many wonder-woman servers on the lobby. Because current online community is mostly comprised of new players who are reluctant to spend time learning navigation, SA, BFM, and teamwork. They love the air quakes. But that is not the best scenery you can see in a combat flight sim.

Sorry, TD, but the overheating feature you included in 4.11m has made this situation even worse. They will stuck to those UFOs more than ever from now on. They can just turn and shoot to blow an experienced virtual pilot into pieces, who won't even give those UFOs a try. Why need they learn?

3. I highly doubt what you said is the real reason. Some very popular Russian servers upgraded immediately after the patch release, AlexServer for example. But, it's pity that it is an arcade server.

[Zorin]

Answers:

1. I don't recall UKdedicated servers being serious ones. Didn't they run on an arcade setting? Besides, none of them were as popular as the best servers on hyperlobby in the history of IL2, such as greater green, winds of war, spits vs 109 etc.

2. From where did you made that assumption? The appearance of mods has opened up the Pandora box and cheating started to spread, which drove those serious gamers away. That's why there are so many wonder-woman servers on the lobby. Because current online community is mostly comprised of new players who are reluctant to spend time learning navigation, SA and teamwork. They love the air quakes. But that is not the best scenery you can see in a combat flight sim. Sorry, TD, but the overheating feature you included in 4.11m has made this situation even worse. They will stuck to those UFOs more than ever from now on.

3. I highly doubt what you said is the real reason. Some very popular Russian servers upgraded immediately after the patch release, AlexServer for example. But, it's pity that it is an arcade server.

1. You have so no idea what you are talking about. All three UKded servers ran historical missions with limited plane sets and the difficulty level increased by server. Open pit, locked pit and full real. ALL running full difficulty except for GUI and cockpit related settings. Plus, they always were in the top ten on HL. Besides that, I do not recall your name ever coming up in any meaningful way during the last 5 years I have been involved in this community. So there is little credit to your name to begin with.

2. Drove them away from where? Oh right, the free servers they did never support and happily taken their servies for granted. Honestly, those players can rot in hell. Either you are dedicated as you claim, which includes supporting those server that provide the service you like and therfor there is no risk of cheaters being around, or you are just spoiled and deserve no better than see your beloved environment go to hell, which in your world means is converted to a modded server. If all the oh so dedicated full real flyers would have cared they could have easily upheld their own servers free of any mods, but they didn't. So tough luck.

3. Trust me, I have build missions for the UKdedicated servers for several years and we always have taken to our maps by updating them whenever a new patch arrived. If others don't do that, it is their fault for not wanting to delivered the best the game has to offer in its most recent state. Simple as that.

[jermin]

Come on, the patch has been released for 13 days. The problem isn't that servers didn't upgrade. It was actually those players who didn't want to upgrade. There are already quite some popular servers upgraded to 4.11m. Why didn't those players upgrade?

As for your attitude towards those veterans. How can you conclude that they didn't provide supports for those nice servers? So you think that if a server gets well supported, it will be cheater free? I fail to see the logics here.

I'll give you the reason why they didn't set up servers of their own:

CRT=2 is not a perfect solution.

Leave alone the debate whether it can be bypassed or not. CRT=2 requires server and client has the same operating system and same locale settings. This limitation will bring down a well populated server to nearly an empty one in no time. Because IL2 players are from all over the world. Their Windows version and locale settings variy A LOOOOT. You can try to imagine how many combinations there might be.

So it is the mods and the not-so-perfect anti-cheat solution drove those enthusiasts away. Understood?

I started flying online since 2004 and I flew Luftwaffe exclusively. I have used many different callsigns.

Finally, my suggestion to you:

Be more respectful to one who possesses a different point of view from you, his opinion is very likely to be correct. And also be respectful to those who have devoted all their time and energy to one thing that they love. They leave it not because they hate it, nor did they want to escape, but because they love it more than any other else.

[Zorin]

As for your attitude towards those veterans. How can you conclude that they didn't provide supports for those nice servers? So you think that if a server gets well supported, it will be cheater free? I fail to see the logics here.




If you can't trust your fellows in mindset that you fly with for years and years to not be cheaters there is very little sense of community present and therefor I call you off for having any devotion for the subject at hand at all.

It would be logical that if you fly on a server you and your friends fund and play on day in and day out, that there would be zero chance for one of them ever being a "cheater".

How you can't see the logic in that is absolutely beyond me.

[Luno13]

No one is flying online because...no one is flying online :-P

[jermin]

LOL. Have you ever tried flying as a team in realistic servers before?

What if you and your friends want to improve their skills or want to give some bad asses a lesson?

IL-2 is also a competition game, dude.

Let me guess. You must be a dedicated offline player.

[CWMV]

Nothing wrong with playing offline!
But in point of fact something like Spits V 109 mod is the equal to if not greater than any of the old servers.
More maps with more planes to accurately recreate more scenarios. Ive got quite a bit of time in it with the guys I fly with, and have yet to see this "cheating" that has apparently become so rampant...
But I would make silly claims too if I had never tried the servers. Easy to decry what you know nothing about.

[jermin]

I didn't say anything bad about offline players, did I?

Sorry, but I tend to like more organized and integral mods managed by TD.

[swiss]

. CRT=2 requires server and client has the same operating system and same locale settings. This limitation will bring down a well populated server to nearly an empty one in no time. Because IL2 players are from all over the world. Their Windows version and locale settings variy A LOOOOT. You can try to imagine how many combinations there might be.


It just checks your il2 directory.
I can join the same server with XP32 or W764u.
:)

[jermin]

Mind your words, Mr. self-proclaimed IL2 expert.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Well, in that case, he is right - CRT isn't related to the used OS.

[jermin]

So it only checks IL2 directory? Then why did I have to change locale in order to play in some CRT=2 servers? It was clearly stated in the readme file when it was introduced in 4.08m patch that different OS will be treated as cheats. And Oleg has emphasized this many times before.

[TheGrunch]

According to WineHQ AppDB, the reason that Linux and other OS users have troubles is because of differing/emulated msvcrt.dll, so the solution there is to replace the built-in Wine .dll with a native Windows one. Perhaps the problems you are experiencing are related?

[KG26_Alpha]

I only play stock game. But ever since mods came out, hyperlobby has been gradually occupied by arcade servers (external views, cockpit off, padlock on, extremely close spawning bases etc. And most of them are NOT CRT protected because they claim to accept mods)

Right now it is very hard to find a decent vanilla IL2 server with CRT=2 enabled where veteran players like me can play on.

I don't like to play with arcade players in those arcade servers because there is no fun there. Everybody is flying I-185-71M, La-7, J2M and Spit 25lb, although it is nice to practice your skills with those open-pit fliers. But you'll soon get bored in the air quakes. I was like playing Counter-Strike in the cockpit.

What's worse, because mods are allowed there. I don't know if some of them are flying aircrafts with improved FM. (Many mods do this, right?)

So, if you know any popular crt=2 enabled stock servers with historical settings where teamwork can come into play, please write them out here.



Thanks

Ok you have your list of servers.

If you don't like the current situation instead of leaving create your own server to your liking,
if its popular others will join and you can deal with all the moans and groans that comes with hosting a dedicated server just to keep a few happy.

PS:
CRT=1 checks the IL2 1946 directory.
CRT=2 checks more than the local IL2 1946 files.



Have fun.





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[jermin]

Hey, thanks!

I am acctually running a dedicated box with several CoD server instances on it. I would like to set up a decent CRT=2 server. But the box is currently located in China. Its ping is not so good for European and American pkayers.

[swiss]

CRT=2 checks more than the local IL2 1946 files.


What exactly is that "more"?

[KG26_Alpha]

Hey, thanks!

I am acctually running a dedicated box with several CoD server instances on it. I would like to set up a decent CRT=2 server. But the box is currently located in China. Its ping is not so good for European and American pkayers.

??

[KG26_Alpha]

What exactly is that "more"?

V408m read me

The server can now check for changes on the client-side game modules, i.e. ensure the modules were not modified. To enable the check, a new key was added to the conf.ini file.

In order to set the client-side verification parameters you will need to manually edit the conf.ini file located in your main game folder before launching the game. Open the file with a text editor, find the [NET] section and in the checkRuntime = line write in either 0 or 1 (or 2), then save the file. If the checkRuntime = line does not exist in your conf.ini file, add it to the end of the [NET] section.

checkRuntime=0-no check is made (default);
checkRuntime=1-quick check;
checkRuntime=2-comprehensive check.

NOTE: during the comprehensive check, if the client runs a different OS version from the client, the check may identify the OS differences as changes in game modules.

[jermin]

Sorry, I didn't make it clearly. I'm running some Call of Duty servers on my box.

[O_TaipaN]

What exactly is that "more"?

I thought CRT=1 checks just the exe,
And CRT=2 checks the exe and dlls and buttons file?

Do SFS files affect CRT check?
I like to keep ultra pack cockpits loaded even in MP because the stock pits are so dated...

[jermin]

Unable to find a decent populated 4.11m stock CRT=2 server 14 days after the patch release. What a joke.

Switched back to 4.101m now. Although can not enjoy 6DoF any more, at least I can temporarily forget the roaster like engines on German fighters.

[swiss]

Rem:

I think I now understand you - a bit.
What's worse, because mods are allowed there. I don't know if some of them are flying aircrafts with improved FM. (Many mods do this, right?)


Actually - no, or not so much. It's more that it enables you to fly planes which you otherwise can not.
Afaik it's impossible to have the same plane, with different FM/DM, ingame.
For instance, there may be a G.55, but unless you have HSFX you cant fly it.

il2compare, 4.10.1 and HSFX: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=4139

[jermin]

Rem:

Afaik it's impossible to have the same plane, with different FM/DM, ingame.


Nothing is impossible when it comes to a computer program, dude. Even starforce can be cracked.

[swiss]

Nothing is impossible when it comes to a computer program, dude. Even starforce can be cracked.

If you're so afraid of cheaters you should stay away from Russian servers, or even better, play offline.:confused:

Im most cases, the cheaters you spot are related to:
-wrong judgment; yours
-bad SA again; yours

I must admit that, the more online hrs I accumulated, the less cheaters were around. Odd, huh? ;)

[jermin]

First, you don't have a clue about how many hours I have spent flying online. Actually it is very likely be 50 times more than yours. Besides, I've seen many good pilots online, but they are far from being post count whores like you. So, stop acting as if you are an ace pilot.

Second, from where did you come to the conclusion that I am afraid of cheaters? I just think it is not worth playing with them. Furthermore, people hate something not because they are afraid of it. If you hate eating apples, can I say you are afraid of them?

[swiss]

First, you don't have a clue about how many hours I have spent flying online. Actually it is very likely be 50 times more than yours.


100.000 hrs? Wow.


Besides, I've seen many good pilots online, but they are far from being post count whores like you. So, stop acting as if you are an ace pilot

1.There is no relation between post whores and skills.
2. The only one who claims to be a true Ace is YOU.
I'm average at best, never claimed something else.

Second, from where did you come to that conclusion that I am afraid of cheaters? I just think it is not worth playing with them.

Then, of course it's a whole different story. lol

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok this is going nowhere fast