OK, I'm dreaming, but...

[Flyby]

I would love to see Oleg leak a tiny video showing the implementation of 6dof from the persepctives of inside both a Spitfire and a 109 cockpit. Also I wonder how true the views will be to the actual fighters? Anyone happen to know?
thanks!
Flyby out

[Blackdog_kt]

The only one lucky enough to have seen this is Mystipuma, when he happened to catch Oleg Maddox and Ilya Sevchenko in a flight sim conference.

There is a video of him asking them questions and they demonstrate some of the early work on BoB (like the videos we have on the bonus 1946 DVD). At some point, Oleg Maddox displays the use of 6DOF tracking, but since the video is taken with a handycam in an environment with lots of ambient light sources, there's unfortunately not much you can see. It is still interesting nevertheless.

[Flyby]

I hear ya Blackdog,
As you say, it is still interesting. I think a lot of people would like to see such a tidbit. If Mysticpuma saw a bit of Oleg using 6dof that implies that my small request is do-able. So I hope the power-that-be (alias one Oleg Maddox) will grin at my little post and say "why not?!" After all, Oleg and I go way back to when he was only updating a handful of people prior to the release of IL2. Yeah. Those were the days. ;)
Flyby out

[Feuerfalke]

Would be great if the team would show up on the LowlandTigerMeeting in Germany in April. Eagle Dynamics will be at that FlightSim-LAN-Party to present their recent built of BlackShark - I can't be there, but I sure hope everybody who has the time to get there will post loads of pictures and movies from what he saw!

[Flyby]

that sounds like a good opportunity for Oleg to feed the masses a bit of a video. the LLTM might be a good venue to show off a little bit of BoB, eh?

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

I think Oleg is doing absolutely the right thing. Blackout is best. I hope he keeps everything under wraps until it's all ready.

Most are still flying Il2, and while we are all very anxiously awaiting SOW - I think the less that "leaks" the less chance there is of other companies reverse engineering what 1C has put so much into over the last several years.

Additionally, I've learned over the years that our community doesn't handle new information very maturely.

At every announcement over here - some negative thread at all the other forums is bound to start - usually generated by folks who don't know squat.

I'm actually very impressed at how 1C has handled all this. Keep it up.

S~

Gunny

[Wild.Bill.Kelso]

A new vid would be nice!

[Flyby]

Gunslinger, I disagree with you (respectfully). Wild Bill, we are in agreement I see. :)
There will always be someone somewhere to complain about something. I'd not be surprised to read complaints after the release of SOW. You can't please everyone all the time. But long-time fans would not be ill-served were Oleg to release a small video such as I've requested. I have to assume SOW is far enough along to do that. For a fan it would wet the old whistle of anticipation. For the griping gremlins among us...well what is ever good enough for them anyway? One thing's for sure. Were Oleg to release such a video we'd all watch it (and many times over). It'd be like finding water in a wasteland.
Flyby out

[Bearcat]

Im having too much fun with 46 to really care one way or the other.. When I can steal thw time that is.... HEY FLYBY!!!

WHEN YOU COMIN BACK TO HL MAN!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[Feuerfalke]

A new vid would be nice, no doubt, but I rather agree with Gunslinger on this.

1. As I posted before it's not only customers and fans watching and analyzing the video.
2. Any video they'll post will a.) not attract any additional customers, as there is probably little convincing content to show ATM, that will resemble what BoB will be like, b.) will soon after the first wave of interest create a wave of frustration, as the video will not show what the release will be like, nor will it please all fans in terms of Objects or Wireframe modells being shown. Finally it will c.) strengthen the demand for yet another video showing and d.) if no such video will be released raises the opinion that SoW:BoB is nowhere near a possible release in 2008. And THAT news will spread MUCH faster and further than any video posted.
3. As soon as you can show me screenshots, movies or even a list of planes and theaters modelled in Shockwaves new sim or the new CFS, I'd really consider joining your march to get some information from Oleg as well.
As long as only Oleg is being asked to show his cards, this isn't good for anybody involved.

[Flyby]

So what if "others" are looking at Oleg's work? Someone's going to steal an idea, and beat Oleg to the punch? Remember, I'm only asking for a small demo to show 6dof implementation from inside the Spit, and the 109. Am I being asked to believe that after all these years of knowing of the existence of SoW that development hasn't proceeded to even this point? DCS's Black Shark effort has produced several videos along the way, and those have always been greeted with excitement from it's fans (including me). Sure someone always questions certain aspects of what they see, or don't see. But so what? Really that's not important to me. To be perfectly frank, the one thing I look forward to in SoW is the internet play. It's the one thing that has kept me from buying Bob_WoV. People can talk about damage models, and surely about FMs, but that's a much ado about very little, imho. I know that FMs are really relative to how much processing power one wants to commit to; you can't model every plane's FM accurately and still have processing power for the eye candy we all love at frame rates we can live with.
Hmmmm... It seems to me that the sim FighterOPs is being called vaporware because so little content is being released. I'm not suggesting this about SoW, but merely pointing out that too little info is a bad thing. At least Oleg answers questions once in a while here. But again, I'm only asking for a little video, and very specificly at that.

So, to sum it up, I guess there are two camps here: those who want a simple video now, and those who can wait longer (even my squadron commander 99th_Bearcat ;) ). I mean no offense to any camp on this issue. Just expressing my view too. Ya know? Those who want to march with me, feel free! Those who are comfy to wait, peace be yours. :)
Flyby out
ps to Bearcat: getting back is always on my mind, boss. Soon too, I hope.

[HenFre]

Flyby you definately have my vote. Would be nice to have a new video to look at a billion times over as with all the others :-)

[Feuerfalke]

Flyby you definately have my vote. Would be nice to have a new video to look at a billion times over as with all the others :-)

And then it still comes down to the simple thing that this is not up to Oleg. So you're even addressing the wrong people here.

[HenFre]

Is that a guess or is that a fact Feuerfalke? If it is a fact please tell me how you know this??

[Flyby]

And then it still comes down to the simple thing that this is not up to Oleg. So you're even addressing the wrong people here.
How about a little help. I can't imagine that you'd be against my asking the proper authorities, if Oleg is not the one who could grant my request. So, whom do I address my concern to?
HenFre, thanks for your support! All those in favor of just a tiny video as I described say " explosive diarrhea!" :D
thanks,
Flyby out
ps yes I know this is not a competition. nor is it intended to be such. buy sometimes ya gotta laugh at what life gives ya!

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Flyby, don't get me wrong - If a video - or screenshot, or anything came out - I'd be the first to 'woo' over it and be grateful to you for asking in the first place. :)

My reservations concerning information release and support of 1C's current approach (very low information release) as compared to what we experienced during Il2 development - is based upon my own experience with both the flight simulation genre (user) and software development (manager).

If a company has enough cash-on-hand to afford the development effort - then there is absolutely no reason to release anything other than a teaser from time to time.

The video that you'd like (me too) would give a good taste of 'look and feel' - which is one of the main attributes of the 1C products over anything Microsoft or anyone else has developed.

If this were the 1st effort for 1C - then I'd say dump out as much stuff as possible for user input - on the other hand I think 1C has made very honest mistakes in the past by providing the community with too much information.

On the other hand, I hope your right - and I'm wrong so I can feed my own personal need for information. I do think you are asking the right question to the correct folks.

S~

Gunny

[Flyby]

Gunny, thanks for the additional feedback. If I've got you wrong it's only in a good way (unless you're the demon who steals children in the night-but no one knows it) ;) I'd like to remain optimistic that 1C will see fit to dangle a bit of bloody meat (a video) before us dogs of war. We'll have to see. Ya know, I own CFS3, and always felt it wasn't too badly done, but was sort of a middle-of-the-pack sort of sim. The IL2 series always seemed a cut above CFS3. But know what? When I got track_IR3, and saw how 6d0f was implemented in CFS3 I had new-found respect for that sim. Also to the credit of it's fanbase CFS3 has as free add-ons: Korean Air War, and Mediteranean Air War, plus Over Flander Fields. Not to mention the 1% aircraft that are available.

We are the fanbase of IL2. It's been out for quite a while now, and I'm sure the number of fans is growing still. We aren't going anywhere, to be sure. I'm sure Oleg is tired of reading requests like mine, or reading what some malcontents may write. I can sympathize with him to a degree. Still...just a a teeny-tiny video showing the implementation of 6dof from inside the Spit and inside the Emil. OK I'm dreaming, but...
Flyby out
PS within the world of IL2 and SoW we are all cool imho. Wouldn't it be great if the outer world could follow our lead? Maybe we could entice Bush and Kill Il Jong to fight it out on Hyperlobby. The loser would have to spend a night up to his neck in a barrel of
diarrhetic goat feces! LOL!!! Bet that would be the dogfight of all time! But I digress. :)

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

You have a great sense of humor, Flyby. Agree with all 100%. And yes, your correct - I'm not a demon.

Your gonna make me re-install CFS3 and try again (for the nth time) if you keep talking. Did not know they had 6DOF mod. Played with Flanders Field when it was being developed and liked it. I'll go check it all out again.

On another note - I love 6-DOF also. Tonight I was flying on a server at about 9,500 meters in an FW-190A6, in a slow climb attempting to get above a flight of high flying P-38's. I had altitude on them, but had to keep turning off-course to keep them in sight while closing because of the "cockpit blockage" - I kept thinking the whole time "If I just had 6DOF I'd have made my attacks by now".

S~

Gunny

[Flyby]

Yo Gunny!
It might surprise you to know that I have not flown either IL2 nor CFS3 for over two years now. Still I'm a fan of IL2, primarily, but I guess my being here makes that a bit obvious. Aside from my gaming pc being fried, I had some health problems to contend with. Good thing Bearcat never listed me as awol! :D Anyway, the wife's pc is serving as my link to the sim world. I plan to build a new rig in the coming months so I can get back to squadron life, and Hyperlobby. Meanwhile might as well be sueful and ask Oleg for stuff, I figure. ;)
I feel for your predicament in the Anton, trying to keep an eye on the '38s. In CFS3 you'd have no problem leaning to view around cockpit framing, or even viewing behind your seat. Imho CFS3 isn't so bad at all. Still Hyperlobby and IL2 rule. Thanks for sharing that glimpse of virtual combat. I really really miss it. Maybe that's why I'm asking Oleg for a simple little video. I know. "There he goes again!" Well...you know.
Flyby out

[Feuerfalke]

As I posted, I am not at all against a short clip or bit of information, but I understand that there is more to this than just to give a picture to please the customers.

UBIsoft is in charge here. They put a hold on all information about BoB and Galba, because they are both based uppon the SoW-Engine which is their proberty. They give the money, they are the ones responsible for adworks and releases. When they posted the picture on the RRG-Studio-site for example, it was noted that even posting that picture was stepping over the lines of their contract with UBIsoft.

And then I also can understand this information politics from Olegs point of view. Just look what kind of trouble they ran into with all the information about PacificFighters. They posted screenshots, published planelists and about features that in the end never made it into the full, because circumstances didn't allow that. It wasn't even up to 1C, but they were bashed, flamed and crucified because they gave out wrong information.

The very same happened with LockOn. When it was clear they wouldn't make it to the plotted release, people posted threats about conducting lawyers and stuff. Even worse when Flaming Cliffs was released and there was "only" one RUSSIAN plane in it - boy, were they flamed, though that addon was awesome.

[Flyby]

OK Feurerfalke,
If what you say is accurate, I concede your points. I thought Oleg was out from under Ubi-shaft. Apparently I was wrong about that. So we're all like the Maytag repair man. We sit and wait. At any rate I'm glad I was never one of those to howl and complain about any mis-steps made by 1C. Don't want to endanger my chances at being selected as the winner of the 2008 "Prince-of-a-guy" award. :D
keep on truckin!
Flyby out

[HenFre]

I had hoped that Oleg was more in control of the information coming out about this game, but it makes sense Feuerfalke, that UBI has put a lid on the updates because of legal issues.

Can't believe that some people would sue the makers of a game just because they did not include a plane that they wanted. But that also makes sense if you read some of the posts over at the "UBI zoo".

Still would like a small video. Just to make the waiting time pass a little quicker ;-)

[Feuerfalke]

Well, the downside of the informations usually is, that the time to the release grows even longer, because you finally want to PLAY it. :grin:

That's why in the history of IL2, but also for other games, like GhostRecon, Rainbow6, SilentHunter, etc. UBI always put a hold on any information until a certain point, just to start a massive campaign when the release was in reach (maybe like less than 6 month away).

Considering statements that were made here and in the Zoo, I'd expect some similar strategy for BoB.


I guess one major reason for that is the treatment of the all-mighty-self-proclaimed-premium-customers, who really think they can *demand* something, because they buy the game... Thank you very much... not...

[Flyby]

to quote Ben Grimm: "well brush my teeth and call me Smiley!" By which I mean the realization sinks further in that such a video is more a pipedream than ever now. :( I guess I can't complain. I bought IL2_1946 even though I don't have a 'puter to run it on. Maybe SOW will be out by the time I do get one. ;)
Flyby out