Enough!

[Lazarus]

Stop acting like George Bush and tell us something.....ANYTHING.:-x

We are the people who are going to give you OUR MONEY....REMEMBER?!

you know.......that stuff you use to buy your family's food with?
I suppose your also going to leave us to assume that 4.09 is completely dead too?

I know that most of the people you deal with in hear in here are thread hi-jacking carnival acts, but we are ALL future customers.

We don't want any more PICTURES, or VIDEOS.....we want to hear FROM YOU!!! Maybe a hopeful or forecasted release date or, are your at a dead stop?

Is 4.09 dead? Gives us SOMETHING, guys!!

[Chivas]

He doesn't owe you Squat...REMEMBER.

If it weren't for him you'd still be flying CFS3.

[Sim]

LOL, I get a strong vibe that you never purchased anything related to IL2.....

[Codex]

It's all about me me me me me me.

I'd say someone used to sneak a look at their presents before Christmas. :roll:

[DKoor]

He posted a nice thread.
Your replies are even better.:cool:

[nearmiss]

He doesn't owe you Squat...REMEMBER.

If it weren't for him you'd still be flying CFS3.

Right On! no chit! :grin:

Ole Lazarus musta just rose from the dead... he's missed a lot.

[Roy]

Lazarus;37385']
[...]
Is 4.09 dead? Gives us SOMETHING, guys!!

After seeing a new set of DLLs in my mail for testing I can safely say that 4.09 is not dead.

Happy? :)

[Xiola]

Geez, it will be done when its done, whats with all the babies in here crying that theres no screenshots?

Graphics are only one tiny part of programming a sim, should he post some pictures of the code which calculates zoom climbs? Or how about plane acceleration, should he post that code? What about Oleg researching the subject of the BOB, should he post pics of hiom in the library?

Maybe he should post some pics of the 3d engine code which takes years to produce with no 'eye candy' to show for it?

Stop being babies and just wait....

[waspfarmer]

Laz,
Perhaps we should send the 1C people some money in advance. Perhaps their children are starving, or republican, or some other horrible thing.

[96th_Nightshifter]

Laz,
Perhaps we should send the 1C people some money in advance. Perhaps their children are starving, or republican, or some other horrible thing.

lol

Seriously though, Iv'e seen a ton of screenshots, I have read a lot of info posted by Oleg himself, I don't feel left in the dark what so ever. Sure I would love to have more updates more regular (as far as I know it's been about 6 weeks since Oleg posted) but I also feel it is still a long way away so maybe there just isn't that much to show in regards to visuals.
The bulk of the work would no doubt not be very interesting to look at which is why there is such a lack of continuous updates.

I just don't feel the urgency to own this game RIGHT NOW (you do realise the current IL2 series is awesome right?), when SOW is ready I'll buy it, when it is close to release we will know about it, I'm sure there will be a website etc. or at least a dedicated forum, we have neither of these right now so I highly doubt we are even close to BETA let alone a release date.

[Lazarus]

OK....now that we have most of the fanny smoochers giving their standard drooling responses, and the carnival clowns have honked their horns, I'd still like some answers. It's not that I'm impatient, it's the lack of response to this forum from anyone with authoritative answers that I find totally offensive.

If 4.09 isn't dead, then when do you THINK it might be available?

OK....Send in the clowns and the smoochers for another round of forum drama with no answers

Here's a challenge for the fanny smoochers and the circus clowns....Let 1C respond to this instead of you!......I'll bet $100.00 you can't do it. You just won't be able to do it.

See?.........you're hitting reply already. I guess, at best, you'll at least reveal yourself as a smoocher or clown. Type on!

[4./JG53_Task]

W < Oleg

Oleg for 2008.

[Chivas]

You don't deserve an answer. When you stop stomping your feet and ask a civil question, without resorting to insults, they might think about it.

[Roy]

Lazarus;37422']
[WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH]
If 4.09 isn't dead, then when do you THINK it might be available?


Dear Lazarus,
These kind of posts serve no purpose whatsoever other than irritating other forum members. If you are so interested in the release date that cannot live without it, send them a mail every day until they give you an answer or they block your email address.
PS: Questions go in Oleg Maddox's room.
PS2: Grow up.

kthx!

[Baghr]

Personally I think the younger generation has gotten so used to the instant gratification offered with web use, they expect instant messages every fifteen minutes on every aspect of life. I would imagine Oleg has better things to do besides making sure everyone has instant information on the latest pixel drawn. In any business or concept, many things are changed and redone before the final version is offered to the public for sale. I assume this would be no different.

I shudder to think what would be yelped if information was rushed to the masses to appease the few, only to have it completely change directions before its final stage. I will say I personally am clueless about what all is involved in the programming of such a huge undertaking, but Im pretty sure its cutting edge and is a little complicated, to say the least. I for one do not need scraps thrown out on a weekly basis, especially if what is being thrown is subject to change. I lived a large portion of my life without computers or flight sims for that manner, and probably sure I can weather it until this one comes out. Patience is a virtue...blah,blah,blah. (I always hated it when Mom would say that)

As for the record, I smooch no butt, nor am I clown, but I might smooch a clown if she was hot enough.:cool: Additionally, this was not meant to inflame, but what do you expect when you slam the US President right off the bat? ( OK, that was intended as humor, is it the hidden clown from within?? where's my selzer bottle and rubber chicken when needed...) :roll:

[Tvrdi]

Lazarus;37422']OK....now that we have most of the fanny smoochers giving their standard drooling responses, and the carnival clowns have honked their horns, I'd still like some answers. It's not that I'm impatient, it's the lack of response to this forum from anyone with authoritative answers that I find totally offensive.

If 4.09 isn't dead, then when do you THINK it might be available?

OK....Send in the clowns and the smoochers for another round of forum drama with no answers

Here's a challenge for the fanny smoochers and the circus clowns....Let 1C respond to this instead of you!......I'll bet $100.00 you can't do it. You just won't be able to do it.

See?.........you're hitting reply already. I guess, at best, you'll at least reveal yourself as a smoocher or clown. Type on!

kids and drugs....modern era

[|ZUTI|]

This goes against all my better judgement but still...

The problem is not in the author of this topic but in all of you that replied with your stupid answers. Why, WHY can't you just ignore the topic, if you are such an outstanding users and praise Oleg and his team that much? Why do you have to post? Don't and the topic will go away. But you have to say something right? Just don't get it why.

And the questions about 409 are valid. We have beta, great. If we got DS beta it would be better, i could not care less if final gets out or not. I have the DS, that' it. But this release date for 409 is going on for just about too much. Give us beta build for DS and i bet most of people will stop complaining about that. As it is, the "game" is incomplete. Can you get that? Doubt it.

And regarding BoB, i agree that developers don't owe us anything but why can't we post questions regarding that topic? The sharade about tis title is going on all too long and again, don't you remember that Oleg was playing some pre-alpha build back in 06? Before the release of 46... and the lack of any info whatsoever is, well, disturbing. Why can't you just accept that some people need constant updates? And why is that a bad thing? It was said that we'll get regular updates but current situation is all but regular.

Bottom line: if you are all that more mature than the rest of te users of this forum, why do you have the urge to post that kind of answers that you do?? Leave the topic alone and if it is agains ANY KING or rules, forum moderators will delete it. If it were up to me i'd disable you r ability to post anything for few days. But that's just me.

Do forgive my spelling errors as english is not my native language.

[Lazarus]

Chivas = Consummate Smoocher (all pro...champion...thinks 1C appreciates his posts) I guarantee you haven't seen the last of his posts here.....watch!
Roy = Smoocher (5 points for attempting to post with the appearance of maturity....-6 points for failed delivery)
Baghr = Philosophical Smoocher
Tvrdi = Horn honking clown

Answers to no end from Smoochers and Clowns and the sounds of crickets from 1C. (Simple answers...that's all)

Hang on, let me get another cup of coffee before the circus comes back to post....here they come, do you hear it? It's a sound like stampeding cattle.

[Chivas]

[RS]Lazarus ...do come back when you grow up and/or get an attitude adjustment.

[Robert]

Are you sure Lazurus is the correct name for you? Seems the box you popped out of isn't a sepulcher, but a clown's Jack in the Box.


Woooopsie! Here I am. Pay attention to MEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee! I'm an ATTENTION WHORE!

Oleg. It's MY MONEY that buys your groceries. It's my $42.50 that will pay off your mortgage. You OWE ME! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaH!! I've seen better tantrums from my nephew.

Why is it some folks need to prove that the best part of them ran down their mommy's leg.

Personally, I think you're just looking to argue.



I've been waiting for BoB since the first announcement and screenies in '04. Many of us have been anxiously waiting. Heck, even I posted about lack of updates, but there's a right way and then there's your way. Surely you can see why you've gotten the response you have Lazurus, can't you?

[nearmiss]

Lazarus = troll

You can tell when a posters makes personal attacks on others.

Nothing else needs to be said.

:rolleyes:

[robtek]

everybody reacting to him give him what he is looking for, attention.
i think he has gotten enough from us.
let´s settle back and relax. OHHHHMMMMMHHH! OHHHMMMM!
(it works best in lotus-seat)
As time passes the release date comes closer.

[Lazarus]

Robert = Smoocher
nearmiss = Horn honking clown
robotek = Representative for all Smoochers and horn honking clowns abroad. A spokes person, if you will.
Chivas = (catagory change) Poster child for all of the above. hehe...it's simply not possible for you to NOT respond.

I'm sure the list will grow. And yet.........still, the sound of crickets from 1C. I'm sure, at some point, they will silence me. I feel pretty sure, however, that they won't do this by answering a few simple questions.

ok.....time for the smoochers and clowns.

On your mark...
get set...
GO!

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

Lazarus;37385']Stop acting like George Bush and tell us something.....ANYTHING.:-x

We are the people who are going to give you OUR MONEY....REMEMBER?!
(Bla bla bla)

That is exactly the kind of cr@p that Oleg scared away from the UBI forums. I suggest you stop it right now.

[Bearcat]

Lazarus;37385']Stop acting like George Bush and tell us something.....ANYTHING.:-x

We are the people who are going to give you OUR MONEY....REMEMBER?!

you know.......that stuff you use to buy your family's food with?
I suppose your also going to leave us to assume that 4.09 is completely dead too?

I know that most of the people you deal with in hear in here are thread hi-jacking carnival acts, but we are ALL future customers.

We don't want any more PICTURES, or VIDEOS.....we want to hear FROM YOU!!! Maybe a hopeful or forecasted release date or, are your at a dead stop?

Is 4.09 dead? Gives us SOMETHING, guys!!

If the past 5 years have taught me nothing else it is this.... that not only 4.09 but BoB will be released when it is released... and when it is released whatever we can pull from it.. even with a state of the art rig... will only scratch the surface of what is possible.... think of the top of the line PC from 2005.. the best the absoluet best that money could buy.... run this sim on it.. then get the top of the line rig of 2008.. and you will see an improvement... somewhere... and that on a sim engine that is in reality 10 years old.... un heard of.

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoev er that BoB, 4.09 and whatever else is coming down the pike will be here and in the mean time I am enjoying the h@ll out of 4.09b1m.. I suggest you do they same and relax because your expectations, posts, complaints, queries and all the WTFs in the world will not make the process move any faster.

[Lazarus]

I'm not really uptight....I am, however, tired of asking questions, being generally ignored by 1C, yet receiving answers form every peanut in the gallery.

It's the frustration in knowing that you've asked a VERY simple question, thinking that you MIGHT just get an answer and then.....in come the smoochers and horn honking clowns to leave their worthless, philosophical blather, and completely hijack a thread.

Every once in a while, you just get fed up with the silence of the important, and the fan fair of the ignorant.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Lazarus;37422']OK....now that we have most of the fanny smoochers ...I guess, at best, you'll at least reveal yourself as a smoocher or clown. Type on!


Please remember that this is an international website. You may or may not know that in other parts of the world (specifically Australia) the term 'Fanny' does not relate to a person's behind, but in fact to the female genitalia!

All this smooching talk may be giving some people a big head and bolstering their ego's ;)


Cheers!

P.S. I it possible to be in both categories?

[Vigilant]

Lazarus;37385']Stop acting like George Bush and tell us something.....ANYTHING.:-x

We are the people who are going to give you OUR MONEY....REMEMBER?!

you know.......that stuff you use to buy your family's food with?
I suppose your also going to leave us to assume that 4.09 is completely dead too?

I know that most of the people you deal with in hear in here are thread hi-jacking carnival acts, but we are ALL future customers.

We don't want any more PICTURES, or VIDEOS.....we want to hear FROM YOU!!! Maybe a hopeful or forecasted release date or, are your at a dead stop?

Is 4.09 dead? Gives us SOMETHING, guys!!
Your original post Lazarus. No wonder you haven't heard from anyone pal.

Idea: If you didn't want others to comment - WAIT FOR IT - send a PM :idea:

So get over it mate. It'll be here when it gets here. You're not the only one who wants it.

Btw - loved the fanny joke :lol:

[Jagdwaffe]

Well I agree with Laz. To add - Maddox left IL2 in a mess, riddled with errors from stuffed f/ms to arcade flak and ship damage modelling...there's lots more that needs fixing. As for BoB - I've given up waiting for a date. Got a life to live. Bye bye.

[Chivas]

More ingrates

[madsarmy]

Please remember that this is an international website. You may or may not know that in other parts of the world (specifically Australia) the term 'Fanny' does not relate to a person's behind, but in fact to the female genitalia!

Also the U.K.
being a Brit myself a fanny smoocher is no insult, even go as far as call it a hobby :)

[Chivas]

The IL-2 series is the best combat flight sim we have. Could it be better, sure it could, thats why they are building a new engine.

Its easy to sit back and nit pick IL-2, but the only sim on the horizon that could be much better is the BOB series.

I suppose we will be waiting along time for all the nit pickers to design a better combat sim.

[|ZUTI|]

Edit: not worth it.

[Lazarus]

Please remember that this is an international website. You may or may not know that in other parts of the world (specifically Australia) the term 'Fanny' does not relate to a person's behind, but in fact to the female genitalia!

WOW! I truly had no idea that fanny had any other meaning. I completely apologize for that and have gone back and omitted it from every one of my posts.




P.S. I it possible to be in both categories?

Actually......yes. Chivas encompasses both categories with incredible agility. You see, you must be both to actually be considered a thread hijacker. Trust me, he will NOT be able to refrain from adding more of his mystical foaming to this thread........yup, here he comes!:eek:

[Chivas]

Just trying to give your mother a break. LMFAO

[Bearcat]

Well I agree with Laz. To add - Maddox left IL2 in a mess, riddled with errors from stuffed f/ms to arcade flak and ship damage modelling...there's lots more that needs fixing. As for BoB - I've given up waiting for a date. Got a life to live. Bye bye.


ROFLMMFAO!!!!

A mess!!!????

You have GOT to be kidding... Good riddance buddy...!!! What... you think you will be missed? Why the announcement... just go.

C'mon... some of you guys friggin kill me!!! You guys come to these forums crying and moaning like some jilted little schoolgirl as if you were owed something. 1C owes you NOTHING unless of course your 46 DVD did not work.. So you heard nothing about BoB.. so what.. it means nothing. The fact that this forum even exists says something in itself. As for IL2... LOL... yeah IL2 is left a mess.... umm hmmm.. the sim that started out with 31 flyables and 40 AI planes on the Eastern Front and now can boast 41 flyable Allied types, 31 flyable Axis types.. and mind you... I am just talking about the types of planes.. not the different variants of each flyable aircraft.. that sends the number of flyable aircraft into the hundreds.. a former one front sim that can now simulate aerial warfare across 4 fronts, the Pacific ,The Mediteranean, Europe and of course the Eastern Front. Not perfectly mind you .... but adequate... under FMs that, while again.. not perfect.. are the best that I have seen in any WWII sim... and up until the recent hack situation FMs that were, even if not totally accurate across every aircraft (and that is depateable.. since the sim offers such a wide lattitude to adjust you controllers to suit the aircraft) were the only unhacked FMs around.. for a long time.

Add to all that the new maps & objects that we got in 4.09b1m... and not to be left out the unprecedented developer support THAT WE GOT ALL ALONG.... even if we do not hear much from Oleg now....

and I say IL2 is hardly a mess....
I fail to understand why so many folks have their drawers in a knot because they dont get weekly updates on BoB.. or no word on 4.09F. Suck it up and enjoy what you have for crying out loud. If it werent for 1C believe me... we'd all be flying MS now or LOMAC or something else... or not simming. If MS couldn't rise to the occasion with IL2 staring them in the face then I doubt they would have been more motivated with nothing competing against them. You people who think that 1C owes you something need to grow up or find another pastime. This sim is what it is... like it or not... either way, I for one am sick of hearing the bleating noise of ungrateful spoiled rotten consumers who have neither the skill, fortitude or the knowledge to make something even close by a light year to 46... much less BoB, and not say something that can be summed up in STFU and wait like the rest of us.

[Skoshi Tiger]

[QUOTE='[RS]Lazarus;37589']WOW! I truly had no idea that fanny had any other meaning. I completely apologize for that and have gone back and omitted it from every one of my posts.
QUOTE]

No need to apologize or edit any posts!

I was not offended in any way shape or form!

It is a very mild word, and if anything 'Most' people are amused when they hear it used in another context. ( Well, people with a childish sense of humour!)

My post was largely aimed at geting myself assigned to category 2!

cheers

[proton45]

Lazarus;37422']OK....now that we have most of the fanny smoochers giving their standard drooling responses, and the carnival clowns have honked their horns, I'd still like some answers. It's not that I'm impatient, it's the lack of response to this forum from anyone with authoritative answers that I find totally offensive.

If 4.09 isn't dead, then when do you THINK it might be available?

OK....Send in the clowns and the smoochers for another round of forum drama with no answers

Here's a challenge for the fanny smoochers and the circus clowns....Let 1C respond to this instead of you!......I'll bet $100.00 you can't do it. You just won't be able to do it.

See?.........you're hitting reply already. I guess, at best, you'll at least reveal yourself as a smoocher or clown. Type on!




...it could be that not answering your demanding inquiries was the answer they intended.

[Theshark888]

I have to admit the silence seems to speak volumes. Let some of us vent without getting all the fanboys undies in a knot!

[Lazarus]

Bearcat,

You just blew out a lot of blather and only contributed to what the rest of the circus has already commented on. I don't need the great defenders of the 1C cause, so please remove your cape and goggles. I have never asked for weekly updates.....I've never asked for bi-weekly updates...hell, I've never asked more than one question....and I've only posted two threads! Looking back, you couldn't be more wrong about me. That being said, I think your leotards are a bit tight. So step off unless you have something new to say. I have been spanked and prodded be every carnival act here, you adding your act to the ring is fruitless. I'm still looking for a simple answer...It's all I've ever wanted. I've never complained about the game or FM's, or maps....I have only, ever, asked one simple question, and would have accepted even a guestimate. Anything is better than dead silence. Now go away.


Just trying to give your mother a break. LMFAO

Chivas,
while I hate you with almost every fiber of my being, I have to confess, I laughed at your last post. That was actually good.....I hate that I laughed.

[IvanK]

Time to close this Thread me thinks

[Codex]

Well I'm sorry LAZ, but Bearcat is right. Re-read your opening post, sit down and ask yourself could you have expected any response at all from 1C? :confused:


Trust me, developers will deliberately ignore a thread like this.

[Raven2B]

Well... Bearcat says what has been said and I'm with him.

I started MS CFS 1 & EAW, then left and plays another games (FPS, RPG etc.)
Then bought CFS 3 and spent time with it.

Then bought IL-2 and that's way I am. Now have IL-2, IL-2:FB, AEP, PF & IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. When said that hunger grows when eat - that's right.

I don't have count how much money has gone with this sim - new rig and components, joysticks and other stuff, TrackIR, books and DVD:s.

And I'm waiting too BoB:Sow but don't whine :cool:

[Jagdwaffe]

Bearcat -tell someone who cares. Going on in a rude manner because you don't agree with me is unnecessary, it will get you nowhere.
Everyone has the right to express their opinion without being attacked and called names. IL2 is tired and error ridden and is now open to hacked f/ms. Bring on SoW, the sooner the better.

[tater]

I don't think we are owed anything, but it's simply good business practice to keep your customers in the loop. It's one thing to work on a new project, then present it finished as fait accompli, but once you've announced it and shown pictures/vids to keep the faithful interested, it only makes sense to continue with the odd report on progress. Doesn't need to be great detail, though some will crow for that. Just a "We've reached our February milestone, release still looking like Q4." That sort of thing.

A little bit goes a long way.

YMMV.

tater

[Lazarus]

Well I'm sorry LAZ, but Bearcat is right. Re-read your opening post, sit down and ask yourself could you have expected any response at all from 1C? :confused:


Trust me, developers will deliberately ignore a thread like this.

Well, gee wiz Codex, along with your un-needed opinion, you too have chosen to post here and completely waste your time in an attempt correct my "thinking". My God, do any of you think that this thread would have come this far if you all would have shut your opinionated, horn honking, pie holes and left me to myself? If you would have done that, I would have been left to stew by myself and maybe a few that agreed. 1C needs NONE of you to defend them and could care less when you do......neither do I

By the way......I went and read my original post as you suggested......ummmm it looks a post from a guy who was already fed up with being ignored. Now you go away too.

[Feuerfalke]

Lazarus;37652']If you would have done that, I would have been left to stew by myself ....

And there is YOUR mistake. If you would have ignored their opinions, why shouldn't you be able to ignore other peoples opinions here? Why don't you just restate your question or leave the topic, since you knew from the beginning that Oleg wouldn't come here to hold your hand no matter how rude you get.

So what is your point anyway? Just causing a storm in a fishbowl? You certainly failed even that.

[Bearcat]

Lazarus;37611']Bearcat,
You just blew out a lot of blather and only contributed to what the rest of the circus has already commented on. I don't need the great defenders of the 1C cause, so please remove your cape and goggles. I have never asked for weekly updates.....I've never asked for bi-weekly updates...hell, I've never asked more than one question....and I've only posted two threads! Looking back, you couldn't be more wrong about me. That being said, I think your leotards are a bit tight. So step off unless you have something new to say. I have been spanked and prodded be every carnival act here, you adding your act to the ring is fruitless. I'm still looking for a simple answer...It's all I've ever wanted. I've never complained about the game or FM's, or maps....I have only, ever, asked one simple question, and would have accepted even a guestimate. Anything is better than dead silence. Now go away.


No.........................

Lazarus;37385']Stop acting like George Bush and tell us something.....ANYTHING.:-x
We are the people who are going to give you OUR MONEY....REMEMBER?!
you know.......that stuff you use to buy your family's food with?
I suppose your also going to leave us to assume that 4.09 is completely dead too?
I know that most of the people you deal with in hear in here are thread hi-jacking carnival acts, but we are ALL future customers.
We don't want any more PICTURES, or VIDEOS.....we want to hear FROM YOU!!! Maybe a hopeful or forecasted release date or, are your at a dead stop?
Is 4.09 dead? Gives us SOMETHING, guys!!

Look man... even with the best of intentions... what kind of response did you expect? I mean really? Then in your firast post you start with the carnival acts bit .. and I just don't get the Bush bit at all... Maybe it's just too deep for me to understand... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

In any case... I have no opinion about YOU either way.. it is your post that I had issues with and responded to.


Bearcat -tell someone who cares. Going on in a rude manner because you don't agree with me is unnecessary, it will get you nowhere.
Everyone has the right to express their opinion without being attacked and called names. IL2 is tired and error ridden and is now open to hacked f/ms. Bring on SoW, the sooner the better.

Rude? I thought I was pretty thorough on why IL2 wasn't left a mess by Maddox.. as you said .. and frankly yes you are entitled to your opinions .. but I can't understand even on other boards why people come and vent what just is not the case... a mess? Give me a break. The sim has issues.. yes this 10 year old sim engine has issues... ya think... but I just don't see the thing as an incomplete mess.. sorry..

[Jagdwaffe]

IL2 is a mess. IL2 is trying to do what it was never designed to do. It was obsolete long ago. SoW engine is long overdue to replace the IL2 engine. You have your opinion and I have mine, live with that - you have no other choice.

[Feuerfalke]

What I do not understand with these sorts of opinions: If somebody doesn't like that game at all, why don't they just leave it? Nobody forces people to play IL2!
And posting comments on some peoples frustration with the game surely doesn't help anybody and it even less will speed up the process of finishing a sequel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really, really glad most of us live in a democracy, which gives everybody the right to have his own opinion, but I am also glad that in democracy this right ends, when it does offend and deminish the rights of other people.
So, while having an opinion and stating it is perfectly democratic, writing it on your banner, marching through a bunch of dedicated fans and flaming them for it, is not.

Some people should bear that little difference in mind, when stating complains about democracy and rights for free will.

[Pike]

Dear All,
What I find so interesting with these discussions is that they show that it really does not matter what a person says.....but it is down to the recipient deciding whether he has taken offence or not, which is very much like emotional blackmail. So our free society is destroyed by those that take offence where there really is none. You are free to offend and free to take offence. Those that choose to be offended should realise that it is their right to be offended....but that is as far as it goes.....they have no right to gag someone else on the basis of that!
Best regards,
Pike.

[Codex]

Lazarus;37652']Well, gee wiz Codex, along with your un-needed opinion, you too have chosen to post here and completely waste your time in an attempt correct my "thinking". My God, do any of you think that this thread would have come this far if you all would have shut your opinionated, horn honking, pie holes and left me to myself? If you would have done that, I would have been left to stew by myself and maybe a few that agreed. 1C needs NONE of you to defend them and could care less when you do......neither do I

By the way......I went and read my original post as you suggested......ummmm it looks a post from a guy who was already fed up with being ignored. Now you go away too.

If you didn't want my "un-needed" opinion LAZ then why post in the first place? What's the matter, you can have your whine, but the rest of can't? Your free to post in here just like rest of us, but don't cry if the responses you get from us "opinionated, horn honking, pie holes" aren't what you expected or wanted. I don't agree with you LAZ it's that simple, its nothing personal, you just gota deal with it brother! Ain't democracy grand :grin:

[Feuerfalke]

Dear All,
What I find so interesting with these discussions is that they show that it really does not matter what a person says.....but it is down to the recipient deciding whether he has taken offence or not, which is very much like emotional blackmail. So our free society is destroyed by those that take offence where there really is none. You are free to offend and free to take offence. Those that choose to be offended should realise that it is their right to be offended....but that is as far as it goes.....they have no right to gag someone else on the basis of that!
Best regards,
Pike.

Exactly! So the question remains: Why start demonstrating your own opinion amongst people who you KNOW to think the opposite? ;)

[Lo0n]

to pick a fight? troll is trolling...

[Bobb4]

Lazarus;37385']Stop acting like George Bush and tell us something.....ANYTHING.:-x

We are the people who are going to give you OUR MONEY....REMEMBER?!

you know.......that stuff you use to buy your family's food with?
I suppose your also going to leave us to assume that 4.09 is completely dead too?

I know that most of the people you deal with in hear in here are thread hi-jacking carnival acts, but we are ALL future customers.

We don't want any more PICTURES, or VIDEOS.....we want to hear FROM YOU!!! Maybe a hopeful or forecasted release date or, are your at a dead stop?

Is 4.09 dead? Gives us SOMETHING, guys!!

Flame rating 6 out of 10
I have read some good flame starters but Laz, you are the MAN!!!!
But the use of George Bush, that was way too easy. Next time see if you can get a flame war going without using such an easy foil.
And then you used some of your best material too early like "carnival acts", would have worked better in you next post... Could have added to the suspence. But six pages of nonsence is something to be proud of.
In fact I see a bright future for you. Any forum, any where, they would be lucky to have you.

[bomath]

[...] Any forum, any where, they would be lucky to have you....banned.