irss server

[edward allen]

This is probably a double post but i really would know how these people
at irss post such ridiculously high scores when aiming is so diffficult

[IceFire]

Haven't been in there for many years but a couple of things spring to mind.

Flying and aiming is challenging but if you've been practicing it for years or even a decade or more on the same simulator you get pretty good at it. Not a surprise that some players can aim with precision and skill and drop an enemy aircraft very quickly.

Also the points you gather are a total of everything that you're doing. If you shoot down one four engined bomber and land back at base. That's 400 points. If you do that twice in a round you already have 800 and it wouldn't take that long. If there are ground targets and you take out a couple of truck convoys then the numbers really do add up. Ultimately you really need to land at the home base to get your full points (otherwise its 10% of the total for your score). If you crash or get shot down then you only get a few. I try not to make it about points but about a fun experience.

All I can say is practice, make sure you're very comfortable with flying your aircraft(s) of choice, and work your way up from there. Supposedly impossible shots aren't that impossible with practice. Some days will be better than others too so sometimes you just have to put the game down and try again another day.

[edward allen]

Is it possible that some of them are using aiming aids(cheat codes) because im talking
points in the thousands. I dont care how much practice you have or how long youve been
flying extremely high scores are totally ridiculous.

[KG26_Alpha]

1 engine is worth 100 points

I can down a flight of 8 B17's in one flight worth 3200 points with a Bf110 or Fw190

So it wouldn't take that long to accumulate a 1000+ points score in a DF server killing 100 point aircraft............
if your any good at it

:)

[majorfailure]

vs. AI it is possible to exceed 1000points/mission even in a plane handicapped by limited ammo supply. And with the planes out there that carry an nearly endless ammo supply, e. g. Fw190, F4U-1C and others it is rather easy given enough targets of opportunity are present.

For most planes though you need training to become good in, and you need to know where to shoot - most planes have a few extremly weak spots where even a few well placed bullets can do havoc - for most that is at least the pilot. Most inline engines/oil coolers also do not fare well when hit by a few rifle caliber bullets, and worse vs. 20mm and up, fuel tanks are also vulnerable. Wing roots under stress, e. g. vs. a maneuvering enemy and control surfaces are other targets that can get decisive results with a few hits.

I've once done in 20+ AI enemies in a Fw190, and I'm not even a good shot, I'd bet there are guys out there that can do way way more, and that even against human enemies.

[IceFire]

We had a challenge over at Battlefield UK where basically one plane would spawn at a time with Rookie AI and the goal was to, flying a Yak-9T, shoot down as many as you could before the ammo runs out. Aircraft would show up roughly one at a time (you'd get about 2 minutes with each). One or two guys could shoot down I think 25-30 aircraft . One shot kills with the 37mm.

It's not combat realistic but put solid aiming in there and these guys can down several rookie human pilots in a row with no problem.

Of the cheats out there we've seen one guy who he managed to explode aircraft by shooting nearby but that was pretty obvious. If it happens on occasion that's lag. If it happens every time over the course of 20-30 kills then we suspect cheating.

Most cheats we've spotted are unlimited ammo and reducing the weight of their aircraft so they can do otherwise impossible zoom climbs.

Honestly... as a rookie pilot you think aiming and flying is hard. As a veteran pilot of the IL-2 Forgotten Battles series ...flying, even when your rusty, is like a second nature. I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even recall buttons pressed or operations I'm doing unless I actually stop and think about it. It's all automatic. My aim is kind of the same at this point. It takes a bit when you jump into a plane you haven't flown for a while but once I get it in my head again... I can shoot very precisely even against manoeuvring targets. Shots that appear impossible are not. Even at 90 degrees against an aircraft in evasive... with the right technique and deflection shot you can make it a kill. That's what a few thousand hours of practice can do.

You also have those days where you can't hit the broad side of a barn door :)

[edward allen]

ive seen scores of 3000 or more against human pilots. It seems a small group of pilots
from a squad dominate with these high scores. I'll post a screenshot sometime fri or sat.

[IceFire]

When I used to frequent this type of dogfight server ... if I spent an hour or more there on a good day, I'd have 2-3000 points too. It's not too surprising.

[wWwebBrowser]

"I don't even recall buttons pressed or operations I'm doing unless I actually stop and think about it." Ice Fire

Which is the first thing you notice when you, (I), try and stream line your set up, dropping gear at 400+km/h, forgetting where the wep 4 button is, ect.

The IRSS server is a blood bath. rarely do you have time on someone's 6 before someone is on yours.

You are aware that they have the no pit view there right?

Like was said above, play for fun, not for points, and remember that some have been flying online for a decade, twice as long as the actual war, and have "logged" more flight time than any WW2 pilot, and maybe all combined. And a few have been flying in teams for just as long.

As far as cheating, their loss, and most are not. So you can get kills, and have decent fights.

Pick a plane, and stick with it, and make sure your chute is packed right, you will probably need it, unless you just get "blowed up".

Never dispare, A.I. life is cheap, the planes are free!

~S~

[edward allen]

I'm well aware of the "no pit" but its just as difficult to aim as in cockpit. Your right about
it being a bloodbath. I'm convinced thier using some type of aimbots(automatic aiming cheats) but that would be difficult to prove.

[Bolelas]

I am not sure if thera are any cheats out there ( i never used anything, except using progressive flaps on a spitfire- when it was possible, now the recent patches dont allow it). But i often asked myself if there was cheat: At first when i started playing online, -"there must be lots of cheaters, sure!" But than i got a little more experience (not much), and sometimes i got realy good shots, some lucky shots, and i wonder if other didnt think the same about me. I didt try rudder pedals,-yet- but i am sure they help a lot! A good joystick is also fundamental.
On one ocasion, after a little dive, i was zooming up, and the pilot that was chasing me claimed that i was cheating because i climbed like a rocket leaving him far behind! Must had been lag, the only reason i can think of.
Now can you explain, the aim cheats you were talking about, was in stock game, on in mooded versions?

[edward allen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_video_game_terms

[IceFire]

I am not sure if thera are any cheats out there ( i never used anything, except using progressive flaps on a spitfire- when it was possible, now the recent patches dont allow it). But i often asked myself if there was cheat: At first when i started playing online, -"there must be lots of cheaters, sure!" But than i got a little more experience (not much), and sometimes i got realy good shots, some lucky shots, and i wonder if other didnt think the same about me. I didt try rudder pedals,-yet- but i am sure they help a lot! A good joystick is also fundamental.
On one ocasion, after a little dive, i was zooming up, and the pilot that was chasing me claimed that i was cheating because i climbed like a rocket leaving him far behind! Must had been lag, the only reason i can think of.
Now can you explain, the aim cheats you were talking about, was in stock game, on in mooded versions?

I remember a couple of guys claiming I was cheating by using zoom climbs. "How are you climbing so fast!!" the one guy said. I tried to explain to them some of the basics but it was a mystery to them. Probably something similar happening with you as well.

[HanzBlixz]

Edward A
In general, when flying servers that allow mods and do not have CRT2 enabled, anything is possible and when done in certain ways these cheats cannot be proven. This has been the case for many years in Il2. Mentally pilots in those servers need to except that fact, not dwell on it, have fun and not bother accusing people… just except it. Many pilots switched to flying offline because of this. If you fly in servers with CRT2 enabled you greatly reduce the ease of what most would call “cheats”. That said the type of person and age of pilot in IL2 helps reduce the numbers of players who seek an unfair advantage. A high score by itself does not indicate who, if anyone is cheating. High scores of over 10,000 for an evening of flying were once common in full open pit rooms by honorable good gamers.

There are some good tips already in the thread about becoming successful in IL2. Success in this game can be measured in many ways other than just an individual pilot’s score. I put more value on how good of a wingman/teammate you are. I sought ways to disable the score column in IL2 and ran a server years ago that measured the team win.
If the goal is a high individual score, here are a few things to consider and watch as others rack up points. Below is not a complete list …just adding to what others have said.

#1 Being on coms with a great wingman. If flew CFS1, CFS2 and IL2 with the same wingman. A good wingman helps you live longer and make it back to base to collect your points. Shooting 6 planes down per sortie and not returning to base (although fun) doesn’t help your score nearly as much as taking down 3-5 and successfully landing. With a good wingman in a full open pit server it was common to get more then 500 points per flight. Much harder in closed pit. The only thing better then a good wingman on coms, is a group of good wingmen on coms working as a team.

#2 The type of flying and type of battles you choose. In past years you could see giant furballs (some might say bait balls) of 30+ planes engaged in a turn and burn dogfight, with large numbers of higher altitude boom and zoomers slicing through… all seen from the end of the runway. Then in the same server you would see contrails from other guys way way up playing a long chess match. If your goal is to accumulate a high score as fast as possible, then give thought to the type and length of fighting you are going to do. With a good wingman a good pilot can complete a sortie with over 500 points in the same time it takes some commuters playing with CEM to get where they start their chess match up high. I can’t tell you how many times we have seen players whining about how other players fly, the methods used, how in real life a pilot would not fly that way…etc etc. To each their own… enjoy have fun. Don’t criticize they way other players fly to have fun. Some people call it a “simulator” and to others it’s just a game. The more people in the server, the more air to air targets for everyone and the longer the game lives. If your goal is high score as fast as possible, adapt your flight plan and style of fighting to your strengths to achieve your goal.

Clearing sixes: A game within a game. As mentioned above there are many styles of fighting in IL2 which makes for a great variety of games within the game. Again.. to each their own just enjoy it. One game I enjoyed we called clearing sixes. In a full server, with a wingman we would watch for teammates (aka bait) in trouble or about to be in trouble and as a team swiftly clear the trouble. We didn’t worry about scores and we didn’t seek out 1 v 1 situations (by doing so we lived longer). As a result of living longer and clearing sixes, the scores climbed on their own. If we received a thank you for a our work we rewarded ourselves with beer….cough cough… root beer.

So, one of the many great things about this sim, there are many games within the game and you can measure your success (or enjoyment) in different ways other than achieving the high score.

~
HB

[edward allen]

after reviewing some films it seems that some of the people use"spray and pray" tactics and then land to rearm. I still feel that there is cheating or gaming the game going on.

[Janosch]

I still feel that there is cheating or gaming the game going on.

No.

[HanzBlixz]

EA
OK ..I'll bite. Here are my 2 cents. I may stand alone on these thoughts... maybe not.

Complaining about how others shoot, their style of flying or the tactics they use is a waste of time and nobody cares. All you do is stop others from playing. The server controls the rules. Accept, abide or leave. People don't fly online to listen to complaints. Most fly to have fun. Many great players have left this game because they got tired of listening to the complaints - mostly from people who have no idea what is going on around them in the game. Thousands of the complainers have come and gone and in the process drove away hundreds of great players.

Not many people in this game care about how you feel someone is cheating. If you want to play with players that care about your feelings, find a game that includes fluffy kittens and pink ponies... NOT iron horses with machine guns.

Never accuse people of cheating unless you can prove it. Otherwise zip it. Your initial question in this thread has been answered. It's been addressed over and over for more than a decade.

If the fact that someone in the server might be cheating bothers you, then you have several honorable options available to you with this game. Here are two of them.

---Switch to playing a server with CRT=2 enable, which will greatly reduces the odds of simple cheats being present.
or
---Switch to flying against AI offline.

Once you become awesome, then dip your toe back into a mod or NON-CRT server if you desire.


~HB

[edward allen]

Its obvious from the replies that not to many of you have spent any time in t
the irss room. If you did you might realize that what im saying is a legitimate
concern rather than a whine.

[HanzBlixz]

EA

No the opposite. Your feeling that someone may be cheating may be 100% legitimate. It has been this way for years. Players can cheat in IL2 1946. If you can't prove your feeling is correct, there is no point in complaining about it. You have other options as mentioned previously.

Maybe think about this way. Assume everyone / anyone could be cheating. Assume your feeling is right. If it bothers you mentally that this may be true then choose a server that has higher security or fly offline.

The feeling that you are complaining about has been addressed thousands of times for many years. The fact is someone may be cheating, you can't prove it. Done.. end of story. Either enjoy it as is or pick up your toys and move to another sand box.

However, of the thousands and thousands of complainers, most were wrong. Those who stick with the game long enough and become good have come to realize this.

[majorfailure]

However, of the thousands and thousands of complainers, most were wrong. Those who stick with the game long enough and become good have come to realize this.
True.
The only limit you have is what you are capable of - never blame the others for what they can do - they may be cheating, but they also may be insanely good at what they do - and very likely they were not good from the start, but got better by years of training.

And noone forces you to play with a certain crowd, if you don't like it there, go somewhere else.

[Woke Up Dead]

EA
However, of the thousands and thousands of complainers, most were wrong. Those who stick with the game long enough and become good have come to realize this.

I'll second this too. And yes, I have flown on the IRSS server and similar servers before. The longer I flew, the better I got, the fewer people I thought were cheating.

[edward allen]

Since there is nothing that can be done about cheating that topic is closed as
far as im concerned. Cheating and lag have ruined online gaming anyway.

What is the maximum hook view speed in config file.

[HanzBlixz]

Since there is nothing that can be done about cheating that topic is closed as far as im concerned. .

Things can be done.
An example already mentioned... Switch to playing a well ran server with higher security like CRT=2 enable, which will greatly reduce the odds of cheats being present. Done correctly a server can be setup to boot players with higher pings / bad connections, modified files etc.

Of course, practice, practice, practice... because the better you become the less "cheating" you will feel.

Another would be to support DT in doing a Dedicated Server Overhaul as requested here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=229118 <--chime in with positive suggestions / request .

Cheers
~HB