Merry Christmas & Lancaster Teaser

[Buster_Dee]

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate--and over-eat.

[Sita]

Congratulations)

[HW3]

Merry Christmas to all!

:smile:

[redarrows2006]

Merry Christmas to all of you IL-2 pilots out there!

[nic727]

Merry Christmas!!!

[Treetop64]

I'm just here for the food...

[Buster_Dee]

Virtual leftovers.

[Sita]

Buster) Show them something as a gift)

[ElAurens]

Hope everyone had a good day yesterday, and I hope our friends in Russia enjoy their day next month.

Now I'm off to the computer shop to price an upgrade...

[Buster_Dee]

I wonder who in TD could clear me to do that.

I'll say one thing Sita, your energy never goes down does it ;)

[Buster_Dee]

Very early stages. No progress in other areas. Base model was donated and has been a huge help. This aircraft is my personal favorite.

http://www.warwingsart.com/TDWIP/Remi_Lanc/LancPit1_27Dec14.jpg
http://www.warwingsart.com/TDWIP/Remi_Lanc/LancPit2_27Dec14.jpg
http://www.warwingsart.com/TDWIP/Remi_Lanc/LancPit3_27Dec14.jpg

[shelby]

4 engines i see so it must be one of the americans or british heavies

[Sita]

is a good gift)))

try to guess what is that)))

[ElAurens]

Well the gauges give it away as British, it has 4 engines, the cockpit glazing is telling me it's a Halifax.

[ElAurens]

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/9616/uccgKq.jpg

And I hope it's the one with the Bristol engines, as in the photo.

[Sita]

much cooler))

[ElAurens]

Ok, it's a Lancaster.

http://www.lincsaviation.co.uk/library/cockpit.jpg

Was just hoping it wasn't the obvious one. Not that I'm not liking it, the Lanc is very very cool.

[Buster_Dee]

Not the pep talk I was hoping for lol.

[ElAurens]

Don't get me wrong, I'll fly the wings off the Lanc, be sure!

;)

I always am gob smacked, as you say, at what all of you guys do, and especially you and Monguse's work on the 24. Honestly don't take my initial reaction as bad at all. Hardly. The Lanc is iconic and is the choice everyone
but myself would do, and it should be done first. I'm just a weirdo that likes the Halifax is all, and got my hopes up.

This will no doubt be the most popular heavy, probably ever, for the sim.
You can bet on that. Having seen the Canadian one fly here in the States I can understand it too. It's like being buzzed by 4 Spitifres.

Please don't take my initial comment as bad Buster, it was never meant that way.

[Cloyd]

Oh jeezus El, now you've hurt his feelings! Good going...NOT! ;);)

[Buster_Dee]

I tend toward the ac that never had top billing. I make an exception here. I was a member of 242 years ago, and that v-squadron actually started out trying to make a night bomber sim. When that became too much, the squadron formed to give a place for the friends made. My flying skills sucked, so here I am instead. I respect my commitment to TD, but there's some added incentive here. Hopefully, they're not gagging at the gushing ;)

[IceFire]

Buster... you've made my day! The hope of one day flying the Lancaster would be spectacular!

I've taken quite a few pictures of Vera (CWH's Mynarski Memorial Lancaster) as it lives quite close by.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/9062575335_0d16756595_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/eNQ4UT)Canadian Warplane Heritage's Lancaster bomber (https://flic.kr/p/eNQ4UT)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3803/9062597595_69ea580f51_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/eNQbwF)IMG_5611e (https://flic.kr/p/eNQbwF)

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8491/8365742079_4c4e233cdb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/dKfBEp)IMG_1560 (edited) (https://flic.kr/p/dKfBEp)
Never been able to get inside but if I can get a close up shot from the outside that might help... let me know!

[Buster_Dee]

Thanks for the offer. Looks like a MK VII or X. Ours is a Mk I.

[ElAurens]

Yes, the Canadian bird is a very late model that was intended for the Pacific, but never had to go there. It was armed with M2 Brownings in .50 BMG, instead of the original .303 guns.

[IceFire]

Yep. It's a Mark X which as I understand is a Mark III with some US made equipment and electronics.

Here's the brief from the website:


The Museum's Lancaster Mk. X was built at Victory Aircraft, Malton in July 1945 and was later converted to a RCAF 10MR configuration. In 1952, it suffered a serious accident and received a replacement wing centre section from a Lancaster that had flown in combat over Germany. It served as a maritime patrol aircraft, with No. 405 Squadron, Greenwood, NS and No. 107 Rescue Unit, Torbay, Newfoundland for many years and was retired from the RCAF in late 1963. With help from the Sulley Foundation in 1977, it was acquired from the Royal Canadian Legion in Goderich, Ontario, where it had been on outside display. Eleven years passed before it was completely restored and flew again on September 24, 1988. The Lancaster is dedicated to the memory of P/O Andrew Mynarski and is referred to as the “Mynarski Memorial Lancaster”. It is painted in the colours of his aircraft KB726 – VR-A, which flew with RCAF No. 419 (Moose) Squadron. Andrew Mynarski won the Victoria Cross, the Commonwealth’s highest award for gallantry, on June 13, 1944, when his Lancaster was shot down in flames, by a German night fighter. As the bomber fell, he attempted to free the tail gunner trapped in the rear turret of the blazing and out of control aircraft. The tail gunner miraculously survived the crash and lived to tell the story, but sadly Andrew Mynarski died from his severe burns.
http://www.warplane.com/vintage-aircraft-collection/aircraft-history.aspx?aircraftId=4

[Buster_Dee]

The Martin turret in the B24D is a close match except for computing sight and input box. Radios, autopilot, Flight Engineer panel layout, etc. fritter that savings away in a hurry. I'm using F for Freddie and S for Sugar as the basis for what internal gear to model. Those airframes suggest to me that the early equipment could soldier on if needed, so it would not be a stretch to have this Mk I cover the whole war. You'll hear less me this and me that in the future. I just happen to be the one who was free enough to start.

[shelby]

For Martin Turret
The Lancaster Mk VII was a variant produced by Austin, at their Longbridge factory. The main difference between the Mk VII and late production Mk I/IIIs was the use of a Martin turret in place of the FN50 mid-upper turret. The Martin turret carried two .5in Browning Mk II machine guns, giving much more punch than the .303s of the older turret. The turret was also moved forward, from its position behind the bomb bay to one above it.

The Martin turret arrived too late for inclusion on the first fifty of these aircraft, which retained the FN50. These aircraft were officially still Mk Is, but were often know as Mk VII (Interim). These aircraft saw some service in Europe before the surrender of Germany.

Another 180 aircraft were built as true Mk VIIs. These had the Martin mid-upper turret, and also used the FN82 rear turret, which also carried the .5in machine gun. Both the true and interim Mk VIIs were powered by the Merlin 24 engine.

The true Mk VIIs arrived too late for the war in Europe. They were then modified to the B. Mk VII (FE) standard, for use in the Far East. Although the proposed invasion of Japan was not needed, most of these aircraft did serve overseas.

http://www.historyofwar.org/subject_air_lancaster.html

By the way i hope to see and the Mkiii someday

[Sita]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R5NI-IrUU0

[Buster_Dee]

Why the III? Dambusters?

[IceFire]

The Martin turret in the B24D is a close match except for computing sight and input box. Radios, autopilot, Flight Engineer panel layout, etc. fritter that savings away in a hurry. I'm using F for Freddie and S for Sugar as the basis for what internal gear to model. Those airframes suggest to me that the early equipment could soldier on if needed, so it would not be a stretch to have this Mk I cover the whole war. You'll hear less me this and me that in the future. I just happen to be the one who was free enough to start.
Mark I makes a lot of sense in the same way that the B-24D is definitely the most useful type to have in being able to cover significant parts of the war.

[Buster_Dee]

IceFire, there is one area that might help: interior views of the canopy framing. I could leave out all the fasteners, but I want to at least make an effort to represent them.

[IceFire]

IceFire, there is one area that might help: interior views of the canopy framing. I could leave out all the fasteners, but I want to at least make an effort to represent them.

Next time I pay a visit I'll try and take some photos at least from the outside with my telephoto lens.

This video (starting at 9:30) has some decent interior shots: http://youtu.be/ceuU1UQuwVU

He makes mention of the Martin turret with the .50cals. So obviously a bit different from the British made Mark I. Fascinating interior shots. Also bonus of the Mosquito and the big 10 Merlin formation they did a couple of summers ago.

[shelby]

Why the III? Dambusters?Yes and different engines

[IceFire]

Yes and different engines

On the other hand... the Mark I also was the foundation of the Mark I Special with the Tirpitz sinking bombs.

[Buster_Dee]

Yes and different engines

Slight performance difference, and a few more switches above the starter switches. Sugar and Freddie both have the blanking plate for the extra switches, so the panels must have been built for both Mk.

[shelby]

FreddieFreddie is old Fred? If so it is mkiii so the panels is similar to the Sugar's

[Monguse]

Awesome work Buster!

[Buster_Dee]

Thanks Monguse.

Sounds like I need more info. I thought the cutout switches above the starter switches were for MK III only, since the Packard-built had different carburetor that had to be forced off on engine shutdown. If that is so, Old Fred should have those switches. Maybe it ended life with RR engines, and the switches were removed to avoid pilot error. There are other peculiarities, but I believe this is the big one.

EDIT: I've since seen some sources that say Old Fred was built as a Mk I, which makes more sense. What source says it is a III? Sorting this might uncover other useful info.

[shelby]

the other mkiii is on Berlin
Lancaster B III JA914 Served with 57 Squadron as DX-O. Shot down over Berlin in September 1943 and crashed into a lake opposite Zahrensdorf. Wreckage from this aircraft was recovered and is now on display at the Deutsche Technikmuseum, Berlin.

[Buster_Dee]

Rebuilt FE Panel. Still some switches to sort.
http://www.warwingsart.com/TDWIP/Remi_Lanc/FE_Panel24Jan15.jpg

[Sita]

Holy cow 6_6

[Tuco22]

Looking good!

[ElAurens]

Wow.

[Buster_Dee]

Yes and different engines

As far as cockpit, just some switches top, right of panel.

http://www.warwingsart.com/TDWIP/Remi_Lanc/Mk_III.jpg

[shelby]

a MKIII cockpit :)

[Monguse]

Awesome work Buster!

[robday]

I have absolutely no idea how much work it takes to produce such results as this, or the skills, dedication and patience to do the research. but I am thankful that there are people out there who do.
Thank you to all those who do, without you this wonderful sim may have ended long ago!

Cheers,
Rob

[Sita]

Yeah! GreatWork Mate!!!

I have absolutely no idea how much work it takes to produce such results as this

Cheers,
Rob

like said one my friend 3d modeller - you must have stone ass ... :D

[RPS69]

The funny thing about all this talent employed on developing cabins for il2, is that it will become a history book resource for others in the future.

[KG26_Alpha]

The funny thing about all this talent employed on developing cabins for il2, is that it will become a history book resource for others in the future.

It is exactly that right now .......... if the rivet counters can ever agree :)

[Buster_Dee]

Thanks for the kind comments.

I smile when I hear people say that something was modeled from the drawings. Discarded drawings do exist. In fact, they often outlive the package that disowned them.

I've said this a few times: if you have the bug but think you lack the skills, become a thorough researcher. They are invaluable--and highly appreciated.

I'd offer Monguse's tape measurer--if it stayed still long enough to swipe.

[Sita]

Your move :D

[Buster_Dee]

There's no escaping Sita. This is the public one. We get to enjoy the private one too.

Looks like bomb aimer flight instruments and direction lights (aimer to pilot: I said, go left stupid--you're other left).

[Sita]

sorry don't want any offensive :3
just little joke
I really admire your work and your patience...

[Buster_Dee]

Hey, I like your humor. It keeps me going. I was trying to be funny back.

FAIL!

[Sita]

sorry again ... :D looks like my mistake in translate and understanding)

Can't wait your Lanc ...

couple year ago i have read memories of Miles Tripp - The Eighth Passenger

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2290210.The_Eighth_Passenger

... this book will leave a lasting impression .. recomend read if some one didn't ..

[Buster_Dee]

Thanks. Just ordered it, though an older addition.

[Sita]

Thanks. Just ordered it, though an older addition.

omg! you really don't read it?

if so ... try to read also

Brickhill P. - The Dam Busters.


http://www.amazon.com/The-Busters-Grand-Strategy-Series/dp/0330376446


and some of Ralph Barker books

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[Sita]

and month ago i have read "Serenade to the big bird" .... not about Lanc... but still feel very strong imperssion from that book ...

"Doll named August .... "

[Buster_Dee]

ok, I'll stop the Lanc so I can catch up on my reading. ;)

We REALLY need to change the title of this thread.

[Verdun1916]

Looks really nice! :)

[Buren]

Happy New Year!

Without sounding exigent, perhaps there is a slight chance of having a small note regarding the state of the beautiful Lanc previewed in this topic? :)