UBI may have been right...

[kalimba]

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/60255/Former-US-Navy-F-18-Pilot-Sues-Bethesda-Sony-Over-Seizure

So it wasn't bulls..t after all...They tried to find a technical solution to prevent seizures with COD since the warning is not a 100 % protection against lawsuit...

Salute !

[ARGH]

a bunch of bullshit. one guy suing all the gaming corporations for profit because the games caused him to have a seizure. all games and systems come with seizure warnings in their pamphlets. it ain't our ******* problem he had a ******* siezure. **** him!:evil:

[Warhound]

I wonder why he doesn't sue his TV manufacturer aswell since it allowed the images to be displayed (just like the console , which he is sueing for).

Hope he loses and has to pay for Sony's legal team.

[Wolf_Rider]

geez... hope the guy doesn't go driving down a tree lined road in the daytime

[Ze-Jamz]

What a dik..

[Langnasen]

What a wanker. And they put dreck like that in fighter planes these days?

[Zimbower]

Only In AMERICA HALELUJA! they also sue U.F.O from landing on the privat property.

[Meusli]

Oblivion is an old game now, if he wins his case that means every title ever produced would be applicable to this law. That is a truly terrifying thought for a publisher.

[apparition]

he wont win think about it.

[Lixma]

I bet it was those stupid pterodactyl things that did it....they'd drive anyone round the bend.

[DarkCrow]

he should be thanking them, now he won't be flying around in a f 18 when it happens

[Tiger27]

If he does win, the courts should ban him from leaving his house, as he may be a danger to others if he was to have a fit while walking down the street, then have the electricity cut off in his house so that the poor man cant make the mistake of playing or watching something(flickering light bulb maybe) that may cause a siezure, wouldnt want to let the poor bloke have to take care of himself :rolleyes:

What is wrong with people particularly the US with there penchant for litigation I fell over last year on a curb broke my ankle in 3 places, but wouldn't consider suing, my kids were laughing there heads off that their dad couldnt jump puddles, had I sued(not that I know how to sue for personal stupidity) it would have gone against everything I have tried to instill in my kids.

[602Sqn.McLean]

If he does win, the courts should ban him from leaving his house, as he may be a danger to others if he was to have a fit while walking down the street, then have the electricity cut off in his house so that the poor man cant make the mistake of playing or watching something(flickering light bulb maybe) that may cause a siezure, wouldnt want to let the poor bloke have to take care of himself :rolleyes:

What is wrong with people particularly the US with there penchant for litigation I fell over last year on a curb broke my ankle in 3 places, but wouldn't consider suing, my kids were laughing there heads off that their dad couldnt jump puddles, had I sued(not that I know how to sue for personal stupidity) it would have gone against everything I have tried to instill in my kids.
+1
Can't bag the Yanks too much. They are the source of amusement for the free world.
Just makes you more appreciative of your own country and fight harder against Amercianisms.

[Ibis]

+1
can't bag the yanks too much. They are the source of amusement for the free world.
Just makes you more appreciative of your own country and fight harder against amercianisms.

+100 it's all about wanting free money from someone else and Lawyers chasing their cut.
Bludging I would call it. I hope it costs him.

[Formula88]

+1
Can't bag the Yanks too much. They are the source of amusement for the free world.
Just makes you more appreciative of your own country and fight harder against Amercianisms.

We ARE the free world, given this forum deals with a WW2 sim you would think some appreciation would be given to us Americans given how much help we gave the whole of Europe the UK and Russia during those years. How easy we forget... Tell ya what, the next time some crazy German decides to pwn your country(s) again, dont call us. After all, we are here for your amusement not to fight your wars right? Keep fighting these so called Americanisms (wtf does that even mean?) and us Americanismsms wont take any notice of you anyhow. Glad we could amuse you, perhaps after a few decades under some totalitarian rule you will beg us to stop making you laugh and come save your sorry ungrateful asses, again.

[Tiger27]

We ARE the free world, given this forum deals with a WW2 sim you would think some appreciation would be given to us Americans given how much help we gave the whole of Europe the UK and Russia during those years. How easy we forget... Tell ya what, the next time some crazy German decides to pwn your country(s) again, dont call us. After all, we are here for your amusement not to fight your wars right? Keep fighting these so called Americanisms (wtf does that even mean?) and us Americanismsms wont take any notice of you anyhow. Glad we could amuse you, perhaps after a few decades under some totalitarian rule you will beg us to stop making you laugh and come save your sorry ungrateful asses, again.

Please, give us a break, firstly this is about Americans love for suing people and while Im sure we are all happy and appreciative that you eventually joined in WW2 you made massive amounts of money out of it and you were a little late for the start as you were for WW1.

Of course the world appreciates the great sacrifices your troops made, but the Americans back stateside, hardly suffered at all in comparison with the British, Europeans and the in particular the Russians.

Oh by the way it's the Aussies and British helping you fight your wars at the moment, should we do this lend lease or just because we are allies?

Apologies to 99.9% of Americans as you are good people, but saying that you ARE the free world is a bit much, I'm quite happy living in Australias little piece of free world thanks.

[602Sqn.McLean]

Please, give us a break, firstly this is about Americans love for suing people and while Im sure we are all happy and appreciative that you eventually joined in WW2 you made massive amounts of money out of it and you were a little late for the start as you were for WW1.

Of course the world appreciates the great sacrifices your troops made, but the Americans back stateside, hardly suffered at all in comparison with the British, Europeans and the in particular the Russians.

Oh by the way it's the Aussies and British helping you fight your wars at the moment, should we do this lend lease or just because we are allies?

Apologies to 99.9% of Americans as you are good people, but saying that you ARE the free world is a bit much, I'm quite happy living in Australias little piece of free world thanks.
+1
Spot on mate.
I love the 'don't call us' comment. I don't think anyone would after they snubbed everyone anyway and only did something once they got their butts kicked (ww2). Who called who after 9/11.

[swiss]

Wtf - this guy shouldn't have received his wings in first place.
Who checked him? Even in ancient Rome soldier were checked for epilepsy - the were placed in front of a rotating wagon wheel with light source behind.

Even worse: He dumb as a piece of bread. What made him tell the doctors the truth, that he had an epileptic seizure?! Being a pilot he should have been aware of the outcome.
He should have told them he fell, happens.

Anyway, I wonder how this ends.
Imho he probably will be successful om claim medical costs, but not any loss of income.

[Luftrofl]

+1
Can't bag the Yanks too much. They are the source of amusement for the free world.
Just makes you more appreciative of your own country and fight harder against Amercianisms.

We ARE the free world, given this forum deals with a WW2 sim you would think some appreciation would be given to us Americans given how much help we gave the whole of Europe the UK and Russia during those years. How easy we forget... Tell ya what, the next time some crazy German decides to pwn your country(s) again, dont call us. After all, we are here for your amusement not to fight your wars right? Keep fighting these so called Americanisms (wtf does that even mean?) and us Americanismsms wont take any notice of you anyhow. Glad we could amuse you, perhaps after a few decades under some totalitarian rule you will beg us to stop making you laugh and come save your sorry ungrateful asses, again.

+1
Spot on mate.
I love the 'don't call us' comment. I don't think anyone would after they snubbed everyone anyway and only did something once they got their butts kicked (ww2). Who called who after 9/11.

ITT: Middle age men acting like children.

Actually as a child even I wasn't so ignorant as to get into "my country is better than yours" arguments.

[jcenzano]

ITT: Middle age men acting like children.

Actually as a child even I wasn't so ignorant as to get into "my country is better than yours" arguments.

-1

the actual free world and "best country in the known/unknown universe" is SPAIN. We don´t care about rules or laws. We just do whatever the f**k we want.

And we are also cleverer than the rest of the world, specifically when it comes to the economy.

That´s why we will follow Greece, Ireland and Portugal on their way down into the abyss.

Main point is: every land has its goods and its bads. ;)

[Blakduk]

Interesting to see how this guy will argue in court that the game CAUSED his epilepsy- as someone else commented it was rather lucky for all concerned that he had a seizure in his home rather than at the controls of an F18.
I'm not sure how the tort of negligence is applied/is applicable in the USA, but he wouldn't get far in most places in the world. There would be a lot of interest in his medical history, especially if he had been using stimulants for long range missions , as well as illicit drug use, head injuries, etc. He may be making a very brave call to take this through the courts, he may be heading for a whole new world of problems.
On the other hand, there is very little detail given in this article... and the devil is always in the detail.

[Endy]

I'm sorry to say, that here in the UK, there are adverts on TV. Had an accident at work?
A fall or trip anywhere? Then call our legal department for free, no win no fee..........

The get rich quick brigade strike again. Twats.

[kalimba]

Remmeber this lady who made lots of $$$$$$ out of McDonald when burning herself with hot coffee ? Warnings were indeed written , but the court ruled that the coffee was indeed to hot...So she won...Simple, no ?
Or that other lady who slipped on wet floor at WalMart ? They were yellow warnings all over the place...She won because the court ruled that a wet floor is slippery, and the floor belonged to WalMArt.
And so on...That is how it works in the USA....Wonderful country with very nice people..But their legal systems has its flaws...Got money ? You can sue whoever
whenever you want for any kind of reasons...What ever is written were ever...
Americans are used to that ...They don't even care anymore..It is part of their culture now...

Salute !

[(AEF) BLOODGUT]

In Australia about a year ago, I guy broke in to a house, tripped on the table that was against the wall under the window and broke his leg. Police arrested him, he sued the owner and won $150k because he was poor and was only doing it to feed his kids and now he can't work.

Fugure that one out.

[602Sqn.McLean]

In Australia about a year ago, I guy broke in to a house, tripped on the table that was against the wall under the window and broke his leg. Police arrested him, he sued the owner and won $150k because he was poor and was only doing it to feed his kids and now he can't work.

Fugure that one out.
What case was that? Which state. Being a cop I've never heard of that one. We hear a lot of myths. Not saying it isn't true, just like to tell the boys at work.

Just checked. Didn't happen. Had plenty getting injured doing break and enter offences, including those getting mauled by dogs. They've never been able to sue or even have the right to complain about the dog.

[PE_Tigar]

Just to chime in - the guy obviously is a jerk. Don't understand how he passed the EEG and the epi test (I had to do mine for category 1 civilian medical) and didn't pass Oblivion :D.

[swiss]

On the other hand, there is very little detail given in this article... and the devil is always in the detail.


There's a copy of the original complaint linked.

[Nobody96]

We ARE the free world, given this forum deals with a WW2 sim you would think some appreciation would be given to us Americans given how much help we gave the whole of Europe the UK and Russia during those years. How easy we forget... Tell ya what, the next time some crazy German decides to pwn your country(s) again, dont call us. After all, we are here for your amusement not to fight your wars right? Keep fighting these so called Americanisms (wtf does that even mean?) and us Americanismsms wont take any notice of you anyhow. Glad we could amuse you, perhaps after a few decades under some totalitarian rule you will beg us to stop making you laugh and come save your sorry ungrateful asses, again.

I am from Germany and I can assure you that right now we are not planning on invading Poland again ;)

BTW: thanks to your great-grandfather for helping us, getting rid of Hitler 65 years ago. You were the free world back than. But since then the rest of the world kept up and in quite some parts overtook you. Time to update your view of the world.

Look how East Europe changed since the end of the cold war. It is simply astonishing. Then compare it with the change in the US. I am not talking about wars here. But stuff like SWIFT, software patents, anti-pirating lawsuits and so on really shattered my hopes for the at least still a bit free world.

so long
Mathias

P.S.: Who was asking lately for help with some totalitarians? And looking at Gitmo and DHS, I fear in a few decades there will be only one totalitarian regime left. (couldn't help that, sry)

[Formula88]

+1
Spot on mate.
I love the 'don't call us' comment. I don't think anyone would after they snubbed everyone anyway and only did something once they got their butts kicked (ww2). Who called who after 9/11.

Are you totally oblivious to what has gon on in the world since 1945? Everytime some country needs help with something they ask the U.S. for assistance, and 9/10 times we do help. Though god knows why since it wholly unappreciated by those that receive it and I think we should just go back the the pre-WW2 philosophy of non-involvement in other countries affairs so long as it isnt something that will screw us.

As for your 9/11 comment, really?:rolleyes: Do you really think we needed help with this? Look at it this way, we get involved in all your major wars and when a small incident happens in the U.S. we figure "What the hell, might as well call the Brits and cash in a few favors." I'm sure the 5 troops you guys sent us will be a big help, I mean how could we fight terror without them? (The war on terror is a joke, but what can you do?) Exactly what have any of the UK forces done to help in Afghanistan? Oh right, you brought us tea! Thanks chaps! The Canadians were more help, they make good target practice for our F-18s, send more of them if you can.

Its always mentioned by someone who has no idea about the history of American involvement in Europe between 43-45 that our help wasnt really needed. Perhaps the war could have still been won without American assistance, though in the Pacific I'm quite sure Austrailia would be speaking Japanese about now, but think how much more it would have cost those involved. When Britain gave up on daylight bombing raids and resorted to terror bombing German cities at night (a tactic that did little if anything in helping to win the war) the U.S. 8th airforce stepped up and continued to precision bomb German factories and installations despite heavy casualties.
How many Russian and British lives were spared by these raids that stopped production of warmachines and armaments that would otherwise have made it to the fronts?

I'll leave it at that I suppose, this isnt a conversation/argument that anyone is going to win, just having a bit of fun with it. Please remember to keep your responses coherent and add to the debate.;)

[Formula88]

I am from Germany and I can assure you that right now we are not planning on invading Poland again ;)

BTW: thanks to your great-grandfather for helping us, getting rid of Hitler 65 years ago. You were the free world back than. But since then the rest of the world kept up and in quite some parts overtook you. Time to update your view of the world.

Look how East Europe changed since the end of the cold war. It is simply astonishing. Then compare it with the change in the US. I am not talking about wars here. But stuff like SWIFT, software patents, anti-pirating lawsuits and so on really shattered my hopes for the at least still a bit free world.

so long
Mathias

P.S.: Who was asking lately for help with some totalitarians? And looking at Gitmo and DHS, I fear in a few decades there will be only one totalitarian regime left. (couldn't help that, sry)


It was my grandfather actually, though he was a stationed in the Pacific with a B-29 bomber wing. He was the bombardier on the back-up flight for the Enola Gay mission actually, kinda neat.

The rest of the world kept up? LOL! I wont even begin to touch that one...I would need pages.

[W0ef]

Are you totally oblivious to what has gon on in the world since 1945? Everytime some country needs help with something they ask the U.S. for assistance, and 9/10 times we do help. Though god knows why since it wholly unappreciated by those that receive it and I think we should just go back the the pre-WW2 philosophy of non-involvement in other countries affairs so long as it isnt something that will screw us.

As for your 9/11 comment, really?:rolleyes: Do you really think we needed help with this? Look at it this way, we get involved in all your major wars and when a small incident happens in the U.S. we figure "What the hell, might as well call the Brits and cash in a few favors." I'm sure the 5 troops you guys sent us will be a big help, I mean how could we fight terror without them? (The war on terror is a joke, but what can you do?) Exactly what have any of the UK forces done to help in Afghanistan? Oh right, you brought us tea! Thanks chaps! The Canadians were more help, they make good target practice for our F-18s, send more of them if you can.

Its always mentioned by someone who has no idea about the history of American involvement in Europe between 43-45 that our help wasnt really needed. Perhaps the war could have still been won without American assistance, though in the Pacific I'm quite sure Austrailia would be speaking Japanese about now, but think how much more it would have cost those involved. When Britain gave up on daylight bombing raids and resorted to terror bombing German cities at night (a tactic that did little if anything in helping to win the war) the U.S. 8th airforce stepped up and continued to precision bomb German factories and installations despite heavy casualties.
How many Russian and British lives were spared by these raids that stopped production of warmachines and armaments that would otherwise have made it to the fronts?

I'll leave it at that I suppose, this isnt a conversation/argument that anyone is going to win, just having a bit of fun with it. Please remember to keep your responses coherent and add to the debate.;)

Wasn't the only reason the US decided to jump into WWII the fact those Japs bombed Pearl Harbour? Don't get any high fetched ideas about American idealism back in those days. Most americans didn't give too much of a crap about the rest of the world, like now, but yeah, they got messed with.

That joke about Canadians making good target practice is borderline sick by the way.

Oh, I'm grateful you guys did jump in in the end. But both American involvement and the later Marshall help were mainly done out of self interest (had to create a buffer against em nasty commies)

[Formula88]

Wasn't the only reason the US decided to jump into WWII the fact those Japs bombed Pearl Harbour? Don't get any high fetched ideas about American idealism back in those days. Most americans didn't give too much of a crap about the rest of the world, like now, but yeah, they got messed with.

That joke about Canadians making good target practice is borderline sick by the way.

Oh, I'm grateful you guys did jump in in the end. But both American involvement and the later Marshall help were mainly done out of self interest (had to create a buffer against em nasty commies)

You are aboslutely right, I cant think of any war fought by any country that wasnt in self interest. Sorry about my Canadian target practice joke, maybe the line was crossed.

[kristorf]

Precision bombing my arse, bombadiers from the period have admitted it was impossible even with the fabled Norden sight, they did what every other bombadier did, watched the lead plane and dropped on their mark.

Get of your high horse fella and accept that the Good old U.S of A is just another country, no better and possibly no worse than any other.

As for your comments about the British forces out in Afghanistan, totally uncalled for, as for Iraq, in Gulf II we lost more troops to your 'precision' weapons (shoot first then deny it or refuse to allow the pilot to answer questions, even if the radio/video is in the public domain) than we did to the Iraqi's.

Better to have a yank in front than behind or above.

[nearmiss]

This thread has turned from UBI to political bashing. Sorry, it's closed.