The Ultimate Sim

[Robin2k7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikyjos89drU&feature=player_embedded

Wings of pray beta environment in combination with the COD cockpits and game play .

than i quit my job and start flying 8 ours a day ;)

[Meusli]

I don't agree, I think CLOD on it's own stands up better than WOP. As CLOD develops and more content is added over the years you will understand that WOP was never the better sim as it's not a sim.

ps why not contribute to Revi's amazing thread or did you really think we needed another thread like this? Hell you could have used to 100+ threads exactly like this one. Also if I wanted to discuss WOP I would be on their forum, not this one.

[Eklund89]

I dont understand what people see in the WOP graphics. I think they look really wrong and.. not real in some way.

[Dano]

I dont understand what people see in the WOP graphics. I think they look really wrong and.. not real in some way.

That's because WWII happened in full colour instead of the filtered, over HDR'd, overcast yet somehow still sunny land that WoP creates and it's a very vocal minority, you only have to look at the numbers (not) playing WoP and in WoP forums to see the reality of the situation.

[fireflyerz]

Wow the audio is crap but the visuals are superb ive never realy looked at this game before but I now feel the need to find out more about it, thanks for posting that Robin.

[Robin2k7]

I don't agree, I think CLOD on it's own stands up better than WOP. As CLOD develops and more content is added over the years you will understand that WOP was never the better sim as it's not a sim.

ps why not contribute to Revi's amazing thread or did you really think we needed another thread like this? Hell you could have used to 100+ threads exactly like this one. Also if I wanted to discuss WOP I would be on their forum, not this one.

you don't agree ??? compare this with the blurry pail coastline of Dover .

come on ...still i believe this COD can be a good 1 but right now it feels i bought a car with 2 wheels .

no i don't want my money back and no i am not gonna uninstall it , i love my DF over water in COD but if i cant fly normal over land with my system specs i have all the right of the world to fantasize how the ultimate Sim would be .

Once again i don't like the arcade play of WOP but the environment looks 100 time,s beter .

[skouras]

i've got the WOP too
excellent GAME
not a SIM:-)
i prefer by far COD:-P

[Robin2k7]

I dont understand what people see in the WOP graphics. I think they look really wrong and.. not real in some way.

At least you can fly it without those amazing stutter over land .

yes i know its posted already but after 4 patches its still there and i start worry a little bit .

still i have all confidence that they will fix the problems .

it might take some time !!

[BigPickle]

Great visuals thanks for the post

[LoBiSoMeM]

Once again i don't like the arcade play of WOP but the environment looks 100 time,s beter .

With ALL ground objects out of scale? I don't think so...

When I can run CLOD with maxed settings with good FPS, WOP is no match. CLOD used real time light, shadow, shaders... We can't compare with WOP graphics, that are great, but it's another style.

[ElAurens]

Why did they put green sunglasses over the camera lens?

I know many people are impressed with WoP. For the life of me I cannot understand why.

[Therion_Prime]

Why did they put green sunglasses over the camera lens?

I know many people are impressed with WoP. For the life of me I cannot understand why.

Green sunglasses? What are you talking about?

[ElAurens]

The post process green haze in every clip I've ever seen of that arcade game.

And people think Cliffs of Dover's color palette is bad. :rolleyes:

[jt_medina]

I love both WOP and COD. However I believe that COD looks and performs like pure crap even on high settings. Sorry if I offend your little hearts but that's what I think.
Flight model and damage model for IL2 COD are awesome but graphically speaking I have to convince myself to keep flying it. COD Is not worth the money in the state it has been released.

WOP is something like strike fighters 2, it has some simulation component but not as accurate as IL2 COD or 1946. Still sometimes graphics may look a bit unrealistic but from the performance and eye candy point of view WOP destroys IL2 COD.

And... I am a big fan of IL2 since it was released but I can't negate that WOP is a simulator with a lot of potential if there was a mission editor and FM, DM was improved it'd for sure be a good option.

[Robin2k7]

Guys guys don't get me wrong ....WOP is Arcade and i am a big fan of COD .

its only the terrain what i really like in WOP . i never played this game ....perhaps it wasn't a good idea to make this tread in the first place .

its just i am a little frustrated about the playability of this game in high settings over terrain with buildings .
that's all .

[pupo162]

i dont care about the color palletem the reality of graphics and bla bla bla.


FACT:

there no popping up houses in the WOP in CLOD its POPfest, houses POP, trees POP, planes POP POP-POP-POP. No mather what settings you use.

i jsut wish the pop issue would be gone. that is, in my opinion the worst part of COD graphics.

[dougandtoni]

i dont care about the color palletem the reality of graphics and bla bla bla.


FACT:

there no popping up houses in the WOP in CLOD its POPfest, houses POP, trees POP, planes POP POP-POP-POP. No mather what settings you use.

i jsut wish the pop issue would be gone. that is, in my opinion the worst part of COD graphics.

Yep. Gotta agree whole heartedly with this statement

[Mysticpuma]

On the ground texture and 'pop-up' issue, CloD certainly lags behind WoP, however in about 2-years, when CloD is Version Patch 14.19 I think the Pop-up will continue, but at-least it may be getting to Gold release standard?

As I said, imagine if Oleg went and worked with Gaijin (WoP Devs), no Ubisoft interference, just good all-round playability.....on virtually any system!

MP

[Lololopoulos]

what do people see in WOP?

I think following:
1. Smooth plane movement, unlike in COD now lots of plane movements are very jerky. And sometimes you would see a flight of plane roll at the exact same moment and angle and speed.

2. Fancier-than-real-life graphics. I wanna ask you guys, why would u guys spend money going to a movie? yep, that's what wop delivers. I would put it this way, it is based off of real life, but dramatized a bit.

3. WOP gives me a sense of space. I can feel like I'm in a huge battle field, where as COD doesn't deliver that. Even though COD is more realistic, but still, that's why people go see movies.

I really like a point made by someone earlier, and actually i have thought about it for a long time, what if we have a game that has WOP's graphics and everything else from COD?? That would be the best of both world.

But as of now, WOP doesn't offer a realistic enough weapon system and flight model and damage model. So I still can't give up COD for WOP.

[kimosabi]

If you love WoP and use it as reference on ANYTHING combat sims you're not a simmer. Easy as that.

[pupo162]

If you love WoP and use it as reference on ANYTHING combat sims you're not a simmer. Easy as that.

thats rediculous. Despite the fact WOP misses the FMS DMS and overral "simulation" of il2 series. its still aircraift game, with a 3d world. its idiotic not to compare the both, speacially graphic.

And yes WOP is really overdone in soem stuff, un realistic on a bunch of other and has too much filters... but the stability of WOP graphics is sooo far superior than CLOD. forest look dense, citys have buildings all the line of sight and no POPing up.

[kimosabi]

I swear to Sauron, you WoP fans are just like Gollum when the ring first got hold of him. "Myy precioouussss.........."

If you are a simmer, you appreciate what simulates flight, combat and all kinds of physics and models best. You WoP dudes could probably watch a beautiful painting with a Spitfire on it and still call it a good sim.

[Mysticpuma]

Don't need to look at a painting! Cliffs of Dover Frame-Rate on Max settings is static enough to be a painting.....I could just use it as a Screen-Saver.... go on, you know my hook is baited ;)

[jt_medina]

If you love WoP and use it as reference on ANYTHING combat sims you're not a simmer. Easy as that.

Don't be narrow minded.

[Mysticpuma]

I know, they'd rather live in the dark than broaden the experience they have.

It seems if you like a Game/Sim, you can only install one on your hard-drive as it is Blasphemy to mention any others.

Anyway, this is with 16x AF and 6X AA, everything maxed out...what's not to like....it's fun! AND NO POP-UP!!!!!! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHF51KFnmR0

Gaijin are currently looking at sound updates.....2-years old and the developer is at least trying to please it's customers......and listening to feedback!

Cheers, MP

[robtek]

Of course there are no pop ups in WoP, Map size and view distance are by far too small to fill the video-mem!!!

[Conte Zero]

Agree, COD is a serious sim, WOP is a damn nice, beautiful to see game. And I do love the filters, including that yellowish shade and the vignetting, reminds me of the ruined, hystorical footage I have seen

I was very disappointed though, I installed this latest update 1039, full of joy about the "new cameras" and these cameras do not work ingame, they're only dedicated to replays. Same for the slow-motion. Sad.

[Khamsin]

I know, they'd rather live in the dark than broaden the experience they have.




It's not a case of not wanting to broaden experience MP.

It's re-living the experience I don't want to do.

I lost interest in cartoons a few years ago. Watching your 190 vid I was almost expecting the B17 to bring out one of those oversized ACME horseshoe magnets out of the bomb bay and suck the 190 to its doom :)

Of course, at the end of the clip we'd find that the Roadrunner was flying the B17, and Wiley Coyote was in the 190 :)

WOP and COD are two entirely different genres. There is no comparison between the two. One is a sim and one is a cartoon.

[Dano]

Blinkered, all drawn in by a bit of bling and unable to see the reality lol.

[pupo162]

i have played WOP 2 hours in my life. didnt like for not having all the great stuff il2 has. Im far from gollum-WOP-fan.

the " WOP maps are so small that dont occupy enough VRram" is crap. building in il2 POPout in 5 km radius, wich is rediiculous. WOP may not have the 200 KM+ view of CLOD but at least in its all 50-60 KM range buildings are consistent and not popping.

Clod visuals are disapointing. I wouldnt have WOP ones over it, but there is a LOT 1c could learn from WOP

[Meusli]

I am sure pop up can be fixed, it's just the LOD that needs to be set at a higher setting so it blends in with the distance. Probably how WOP does it pop ups so they are less/not noticable. But seeing as the graphics of CLOD are mostly in DX9 then yes WOP is going to look miles better, as they move the DX10-11 stuff over to the sim then it will leave WOP behind, I think, in all areas. Its been only one month after release so there is still plenty of waiting to be done, but it will be done. Hell Creative Assembly is only rolling out their DX11 patch for Shogun 2 tomorrow and that is a AAA studio!

[LoBiSoMeM]

Of course there are no pop ups in WoP, Map size and view distance are by far too small to fill the video-mem!!!

Perfect.

And why people don't try to compare the AIRCRAFT MODELS and GROUND UNITS MODELS between the two titles?

And cockpits? And dynamic shadows in EVERYTHING?

People know NOTHING about software and talk a lot of crap. WoP is a nice "AIRCRAFT SHOOTER", but is only good in terms of performance.

The only real flaw in Clod is the LOD loading, but I can understand that: it's because in a SIM you need to priorize things... Why people don't compare the "eyecandy" of aircrafts/lights in Clod? The effects? The damage effects? The sense os moviment? The dynamic shadows and reflections in cockpit and aircraft?

People are blind... Clod need a lot of optimizations and development, but have BEAUTIFUL graphics. The planes are simple amazing in all details.

[Dano]

WOP may not have the 200 KM+ view of CLOD but at least in its all 50-60 KM range buildings are consistent and not popping.

That's a load of steaming bullcrap, WoP fades stuff in at a far closer range than that and it's easy to use a narrow point of view and see no buildings at all.

[Buchon]

Compare WOP and IL2COD is like compare Call of Duty and ArmA 2

At the end you're just only shaming yourself by not understand what they are.

[Rattlehead]

I know, they'd rather live in the dark than broaden the experience they have.

It seems if you like a Game/Sim, you can only install one on your hard-drive as it is Blasphemy to mention any others.

Anyway, this is with 16x AF and 6X AA, everything maxed out...what's not to like....it's fun! AND NO POP-UP!!!!!! ;)



Okay, whatever.

Why don't you toddle off and go play the game (emphasis on game) instead of trying to 'save' us from ourselves?
This is the CoD forum...not WoP.
Bye.

[jt_medina]

Compare WOP and IL2COD is like compare Call of Duty and ArmA 2

At the end you're just only shaming yourself by not understand what they are.

People are comparing wop with il2cod because cod looks horribly worse compared to wop. Obviously We don't need a rocket scientist to know that COD is way more realistic but the truth is that COD is still unplayable for many and graphically speaking there is no apparent reason why IL2 COD should be so hardware demanding.

I play IL2COD almost maxed out (1920x1080)except buildings(med) and it doesn't graphically look so stunning to me, in fact I see it like the graphics were already obsolete. At least on the landscape thing.

[Lololopoulos]

i have played WOP 2 hours in my life. didnt like for not having all the great stuff il2 has. Im far from gollum-WOP-fan.

the " WOP maps are so small that dont occupy enough VRram" is crap. building in il2 POPout in 5 km radius, wich is rediiculous. WOP may not have the 200 KM+ view of CLOD but at least in its all 50-60 KM range buildings are consistent and not popping.

Clod visuals are disapointing. I wouldnt have WOP ones over it, but there is a LOT 1c could learn from WOP

honest comment. agreed!
I like the way WOP looks, but can't give up COD for all the great things it has to offer.

[Mysticpuma]

I have played IL2: 1946 and now have it with HSFX 5.1.

I will not for the very considerable future, delete 1946 Modded, nor the other 1946 stock I have. They are incredible Simulations.

Wings of Prey is an incredible game, it's fun, impressively detailed and I can use it now.

I have CloD, it sits on my machine and I occasionally load it up and see if it's playable, but alas it's like being told you can race a car.....but you have to build it first.

Cliffs of Dover, for me as it stands currently, is like getting Tim Robinson's Meccano Difference Engine:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8639494575376908189#

and then having to help fix it so it works!

I think for now, I'll continue with 1946 + HSFX 5.1 and also WoP, and wait while everyone enjoys fixing CloD for me ;)

Cheers, MP

[pencon]

I have WoP and I gotta admit I can't get past arcade mode , it's just too boring . About 20 mins was all I could stand ..

[Seeker]

If you love WoP and use it as reference on ANYTHING combat sims you're not a simmer. Easy as that.

Do you actually know what Sim means?

Crimson skies was a Sim, it just wasn't a flight sim. Any idea why?

I bet you don't.

[Buchon]

People are comparing wop with il2cod because cod looks horribly worse compared to wop. Obviously We don't need a rocket scientist to know that COD is way more realistic but the truth is that COD is still unplayable for many and graphically speaking there is no apparent reason why IL2 COD should be so hardware demanding.

I play IL2COD almost maxed out (1920x1080)except buildings(med) and it doesn't graphically look so stunning to me, in fact I see it like the graphics were already obsolete. At least on the landscape thing.

yeah ... Call of Duty looks better than ArmA 2 ... :-P

I just had a smooth and awesome fly with my Spitfire I, have a look :

http://i55.tinypic.com/1ovrc5.jpg

:rolleyes:

[jt_medina]

yeah ... Call of Duty looks better than ArmA 2 ... :-P

I just had a smooth and awesome fly with my Spitfire I, have a look :

http://i55.tinypic.com/1ovrc5.jpg

:rolleyes:

I can do that too. Set the right time of the day, add clouds and the right angle to make it look better, then I reduce the size of the image to make it look sharper.
I mostly play it midday time settings and doesn't look that nice, besides AA doesn't work at least with my GPU and jaggies are everywhere even at 1080 res.

[Buchon]

I can do that too. Set the right time of the day, add clouds and the right angle to make it look better, then I reduce the size of the image to make it look sharper.
I mostly play it midday time settings and doesn't look that nice, besides AA doesn't work at least with my GPU and jaggies are everywhere even at 1080 res.

Wow cool story bro ;)

I dont did that, just enjoy with a Spitfire fly at sunset 18:00 PM :grin:

The screenshot is size down because Im playing at 1920x1200, so is to big to post it here, thats all :-)

[kimosabi]

Blinkered, all drawn in by a bit of bling and unable to see the reality lol.

That's exactly it. Some people are like fish.

[whatnot]

After all these years and countless threads of hostile WoP vs CloD vs RoF vs XyZ some people still have the energy of headbutting each other over the different titles. And better yet doing this to the extent where proper argumentation is lost and all that is left is a load of insults for different titles and individuals. Bravo!

Things are pretty simple in my eyes:
1) CloD has a bunch of issues that remain to be fixed / added but has superb features in it too
2) WoP has a very smooth framerate and looks pretty to some people's eyes, but is pretty far behind in terms of realism, visibility and mapsizes etc

Can't we leave it at that?

Each to their own I'd say: If WoP does it for you then go crazy with it, no need to come to banana forum to bash CloD because of it. MG has a load of work in terms of gameplay, fixes and framerates on lowend rigs. But I know for a fact that a lot of people with sufficient rigs get an ok FPS with graphics to match and enjoy the title despite the shortcomings.

I almost forgot, this is the internet, you're supposed to insult people and their views safely behind the forcefield of anonymity. Let me contribute to that: Morons! (Me included:grin:)

[Robin2k7]

ok thats that ...lets lock this 1 :grin:

[pupaxx]

don't need to look at a painting! Cliffs of dover frame-rate on max settings is static enough to be a painting.....i could just use it as a screen-saver.... Go on, you know my hook is baited ;)

rofl!!!