swastikas??

[Chad44]

Where are the swastikas in the english versionz :?:

[Divebomb]

:)

[Evgeny]

What do you mean by this question?

[Chad44]

I meant where are the real nazi logos all i got are crosses.

[Von Omar]

I think it'd be too big a chore to make all the crosses into Swastikas.
This comes up in EVERY WW2 era themed game. Can't show them in many countries in Europe and developers want to reach the largest market possible.

I would have rather seen proper Iron Crosses take their place instead of the skinny cross that they did use. Just a personal preference to revisionist history :)

[Evgeny]

Where are the swastikas in the english versionz

Well,actually, it's forbidden in Europe to use images of swastikas. That's the reason they are not presented in the game.

[Soviet]

Its's only forbidden in germany.

i would only want swastikas in the game for realism sake

[Evgeny]

According to the information I possess swastikas are forbiden in the whole Europe. I understand your wish to feel more historical realism in the game, but that's the law and we follow it.

[OSS]

i think you can get swastikas from russian version of the game (coz in russian demo they presented..), possibly textures.vfs data file has it..

[Tobus]

According to the information I possess swastikas are forbiden in the whole Europe. I understand your wish to feel more historical realism in the game, but that's the law and we follow it.

Not entirely true. It is outlawwed in all use in Germany. In other EU countries, its use is limited to things like books, games, etc, as long as it isn't in a propagandatory sence of use.

Remember when Prince Harry of England went to a costumeparty some years ago, dressed as an SS-officer with Swastika-band on his arm? This is not illegal, since it was a costumeparty. Now, when he would be brandishing it, screaming "sieg heil" and singing Horst Wessel, now that would be illegal. What he did was bad taste, but not illegal.

The same goes with other general use. It is certainly not illegal to use swastika's in computer games, unless the game itself glorifies nazism.

[Chad44]

Yes we need a pacth to unluck the real symbols..

[Evgeny]

To Tobus.

Thank you for the comments, that was exactly what I meant. :wink:

[takedown47]

According to the information I possess swastikas are forbiden in the whole Europe. I understand your wish to feel more historical realism in the game, but that's the law and we follow it.

I'm in australia and its not against the law. Which is why i was surprised to find them in the russian version but not the english version.

[Evgeny]

Well, in Russia the law doesn't restrict to use them, that's why they are presented in the russian version.

[takedown47]

ok so you can't allow them in the retail version, but can you give us a file that unlocks it or replaces the english version textures with the russian version textures? :(

[Evgeny]

Well, in fact, i'm not authorized to do this.

[Anatoly]

These are two different versions and there is no patch like this.

[weequayx]

Well the creation of one would be great, be it modders or developers or whatever. Playing a game like this that focuses alot of attention on accuracy. It just feels weird playing it and seeing all these "crosses". I understand legal issues but still a small file swap for the English version would be great. I mean the symbol should have been an "iron" cross instead of the black plus sign... Or it could have been the sign of the werchmact the black cross with the borders. Anyways this would be more understandable if the version with the swastikas did not exist but the fact that it does and the darn ruskies are being greedy with it (just kidding, chill) is what gets me, must be some form of apprehension from the cold war, lol. But seriously, on a more historical note, the Soviets especially Stalin have much more blood on their hands than the whole Third Reich could have dreamed of. Stalin's purges have been estimated to account for 60 million, that the low estimate. The fact that the hammer and sickle fly as free as they do today and as paraded as they are, sickens me personally. Anyways, forgive the frankness this is just my opinion. Back to my point, someone out there needs to get us a patch!

[Anatoly]

If this would have been our own wish, this would have been an absolutely different story. But this is outside our competence. This is a rule or legal must in many Western European countries.

[weequayx]

Well , great job on the game anyways, lotta people complain on the difficulty but I love it, very realistic.

[Anatoly]

Well , great job on the game anyways, lotta people complain on the difficulty but I love it, very realistic.

Thanks for the understanding and for the support.
The idea with Death to Spies initially was to make it harder than other stealth actions, more realistic and closer to life. I think that this kind of approach will also gain its fans.

[OSS]

Well the creation of one would be great!

unofficial fan made pack already done ( return swatiakas and other german stuff) , check this forum for links:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/deathtospies/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-38675820&pid=933169

[redscare]

unofficial fan made pack already done ( return swatiakas and other german stuff) , check this forum for links:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/deathtospies/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-38675820&pid=933169

I'll check it out when I get home. I too felt it was weird to have crosses instead of the real deal. I live in Spain and here swastikas per-se (not using them to propagate nazis ideals) are not illegal. It's only in Germany. I've played Return to Castle Wolfstein, the Commandos saga and many other games with swastikas in them.

[hykao]

I think that was a really bad censoring...This is a historical game, not a neonazi propaganda! All historical stuffs contain sometimes swastikas, Hitler photos etc. HOW WOULD LOOK ANY HISTORICAL DOCUMENTARY, BOOKS, MOVIES WITH FAKE SWASTIKAS AND FAKE HITLER PHOTOS ETC...???

Thereto the Soviet signs are also banned in many country! But I really don't want to see Semyon's hat without red star, or trainingfield's red banner without "reapinghook and hammer", or the Lubyanka office with fake Stalin photo...it would be very unhistorical and unauthentical...

So that was the reason, why i made that unofficial uncensored patch...

I hope the publishers (1C, Atari, Nobilis) will change their minds, and the English version of the next Death to Spies game (Death to Spies: Moment of the Truth - that's coming) will be UNCENSORED and more historical and authentical - like the developers will have made! ;)

[Muchness]

The demo played very well, was gripping, even. But I wont buy the game unless they make a patch available to reinstate the NSDAP iconography which has a blanket ban self-imposed by the games publisher/distributor outside Russia.

It is absolutely ridiculous to have a game involving WWII german soldiers without NSDAP (Nazi) symbols. Not all Germans were Nazi's; most German soldiers were just forcibly conscripted patriots. Just as not all Soviet soldiers were communist! The part(ies) were not the people...it is only within the confines of a dictatorship where such censorious nonsense is applied.

Outside Germany I can buy any other PC game with Nazi symbolism...why not Death To Spies?

Ironically, I understand the game shows a picture, or pictures, of Stalin who was at least the equal to the mass murderer, Hitler.

Fascism aside, AFAIK, only Germany, which gave rise to National Socialism, bans public displays of NSDAP insignia. No other country in the world (except possibly France and Austria) is fascistic enough to ban these symbols publicly.

On these grounds I cannot see any justifiable reason for not making the game as historically accurate as possible by allowing the downloading of optional uncensored .vfs packages. Spoken Russian and German language, with or without subtitles, would be preferable too (such as found in Sniper Elite).

As I understand it I could buy the Russian and English versions of Death To Spies and exchange the vfs packages and play the game complete with Swastikas, etc. So the publishers/distributors (politically correct but inept) reasoning is idiotic.