Kid is reincarnation of WWII Corsair pilot shot down over Chi-Chi Jima?

[SpecialCake]

Okay, so I found the first link here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html

and just like I'd assume you would, I read into it with the presumption that its a load of BS. But then I looked into more credible sources.

Heres ANOTHER news website, ABC, a more reputable name, parroting the same story

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Technology/story?id=894217&page=1

Watch this video of him and his parents, along with crew members from the ship
http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt,0,1190900.story

If that isn't enough - THERE IS A BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT THIS BOY

http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Survivor-Reincarnation-World-Fighter/dp/0446509337

What do you guys think? Please read all the evidence they present before replying.

[swiss]

I neither believe in reincarnation nor paradise.
BS as far as I'm concerned.

Edit:
I wrote above lines after reading a few lines.
I quit here:

Yet in their new book, Soul Survivor: The Reincarnation Of A World War II Fighter Pilot, Bruce and his wife, Andrea, lay out some compelling evidence.

and refuse to read any additional word of it.

[AndyJWest]

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[SQB]

By the time I was five i had watched a bazillion documentaries on ww2, they were on at the same time each week and I liked to just watch them, sometimes I would re-enact the scenes in my head.

I don't understand how these parents were bamboozled when he pointed out a drop tank rather than a bomb, the difference is obvious enough to a kid who has watched just one documentary.

Heck, I vividly remember a pilot of the same name as me, who looked similar (blond, lanky and white as a sheet) who crashed... perhaps I too am a reincarnation... ;)

what BS.

[SpecialCake]

I too was quick to point out similiar flaws or possible holes in this story. But have you actually clicked that link the video and watched it all the way through? They would have had to bribe a lot of people, including combat veterans, to lie and fake tears to pull this off.
If it really is a fabrication, it is surely a coincidence like no other. This kid even LOOKS exactly the same as this guy!

[swiss]

1st: When you die - you die, end of story.
2nd: I remember reading about an even better story some 20 years ago in readers digest.
It was about a girl, who under hypnosis, said she's the wife of a rich trader in ancient rome. She even described some of the paintings on the wall o their home.
An expedition found the remains of this house, and under a crapload of dirt even those paintings - they matched. Crazy, huh?
True?
My ass, the people how participated were not really checked, they could made the whole expedition up.
Another point is those reincarnated people always were someone important - or at least cool.
Princes, Knights, rich traders - or fighter pilots.
Ever heard about a reincarnated peasant?
No? Isn't that odd?

[SaQSoN]

Ever heard about a reincarnated peasant?
No? Isn't that odd?

No, it isn't. That's because all those peasants reincarnate into cockroaches. :grin:

Seriously, though, I can't believe, people still fall for such crap.

[addman]

1st: When you die - you die, end of story.
Gee, thanks GOD! Better tell the rest of the world so they'll stop that religious nonsense LOL! Just a question, how do you know this? You must have died to find this out. But then, how could you if you're just dead when you die?:cool:

P.S Tell Jesus he's waaay overdue for a haircut and a shave, it's not 1969 anymore.:)

[Feuerfalke]

Inconsistency is when you don't believe in reincarnation, but hit "RESPAWN" multiple times a day. j/k

[Sven]

Some things seem "incredible" but so are magic shows and they aren't real either;)

[Fritz X]

1st: When you die - you die, end of story.


Picture or it didn't happen.


Well, pretty hard to believe stories like this. Yet, at least it's interesting to watch.

[BadAim]

Gee, thanks GOD! Better tell the rest of the world so they'll stop that religious nonsense LOL! Just a question, how do you know this? You must have died to find this out. But then, how could you if you're just dead when you die?:cool:

P.S Tell Jesus he's waaay overdue for a haircut and a shave, it's not 1969 anymore.:)

LOL! It's so old fashioned to believe in the best documented event in ancient history.
P.S. I don't believe in fairy tales either. There are 100 explanations for the reincarnation stories that have nothing to do with reincarnation. I do however believe there is a lot more going on in our world than meets the eye.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

I reincarnate every day!

Into myself...
I still wonder, what my ancestors have done, so that I deserve this? :-x:rolleyes:

[SpecialCake]

Haha, well put.

Swiss, point well taken.

[Novotny]

I'm the reincarnation of Adolf Galland, but you don't find me posting on the bloody internet about it, or trying to push a book entitled 'I'm the reincarnation of Adolf Galland' which is £15.99 and available from Amazon, Waterstones and all other good booksellers from Monday, and of which the first 100 copies sold are signed by ME, Adolf Galland.

And I'll be damned if I'd mention that it's being serialised in the Daily Mail either, starting next Tuesday.

And if I am available for after-dinner talks and/or business conferences, and if you could reach me through my London based PR company, 'Twitch Felch', in Victoria, 027210444576, I'd hardly make a song or dance about it.

Money grabbing liars, that's what they are.

[Oldschool61]

No, it isn't. That's because all those peasants reincarnate into cockroaches. :grin:

Seriously, though, I can't believe, people still fall for such crap.

Its called believing in the supernatural. Religous people think that theres an invisible man watching us. So its only natural for them and some others to think magic is real.

[Theshark888]

So why do all of you non religious types have to knock others faith?? Sounds like many of you have never been under the gun! Believing in only yourself is pretty lamo in my book...but I'm just sayin':-P

[Novotny]

If we're about to develop an argument over whether 'religion' is realistic or not I may well shoot myself.

[Oldschool61]

So why do all of you non religious types have to knock others faith?? Sounds like many of you have never been under the gun! Believing in only yourself is pretty lamo in my book...but I'm just sayin':-P

Its because "faith" means believing in something without evidence which is what religion is. This is completely irrational behavior. Not one religion has any archeological or historical evidence to back up there stories NONE. ITs 100% hearsay, several generations removed at best.

[proton45]

If we're about to develop an argument over whether 'religion' is realistic or not I may well shoot myself.

What I want to know is...Will it be properly modeled in the new game? ;)

[Erkki]

Its because "faith" means believing in something without evidence which is what religion is. This is completely irrational behavior. Not one religion has any archeological or historical evidence to back up there stories NONE. ITs 100% hearsay, several generations removed at best.

Your ancestors are displeased.

Regarding that story BTW. I must be the reincarnation of Erich von Manstein as too, my name is so similar. ;)

[Azimech]

I think my next avatar in the cockpit will be Kenny from Southpark. In the recent episodes is explained why Kenny always comes back to life without anyone but him remembering his death. Hilarious!

[Sturm_Williger]

What I want to know is...Will it (religion) be properly modeled in the new game? ;)

Wait until you have a bandit on your six ... then decide :D

Although I'm not sure if "ohshitohshitohshitohshitohshitohshit" is the correct form of prayer ...doesn't seem to help much ;)

[BadAim]

Its because "faith" means believing in something without evidence which is what religion is. This is completely irrational behavior. Not one religion has any archeological or historical evidence to back up there stories NONE. ITs 100% hearsay, several generations removed at best.

The sad truth is that your serious. I only ask that you don't make fun of people who rather than declaring that there is no evidence and sufficing that for truth have actually done the research, and found the truth. I don't hold it against you, I used to be like you.

To me the whole reincarnation thing is silly, but I also understand that it's natural for human beings to seek after things greater than themselves, that's why the Jews made the golden calf like ten minutes after Charlton Heston went up the mountain, they just couldn't wait for something to worship. Everyone worships at some altar or another.

It's to bad that this thread couldn't evolve into a meaningful discussion, but that's unfortunately not the way of the forum.

[BadAim]

Wait until you have a bandit on your six ... then decide :D

Although I'm not sure if "ohshitohshitohshitohshitohshitohshit" is the correct form of prayer ...doesn't seem to help much ;)

I wouldn't be so sure, it's gotten me out of a few jams.

[Hood]

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This made me giggle, but I suspect most are going "Huh?"

Hood

[swiss]

The sad truth is that your serious. I only ask that you don't make fun of people who rather than declaring that there is no evidence and sufficing that for truth have actually done the research, and found the truth. I don't hold it against you, I used to be like you.

What truth?

Maybe you're confusing it with hope.

[Oldschool61]

The sad truth is that your serious. I only ask that you don't make fun of people who rather than declaring that there is no evidence and sufficing that for truth have actually done the research, and found the truth. I don't hold it against you, I used to be like you.

To me the whole reincarnation thing is silly, but I also understand that it's natural for human beings to seek after things greater than themselves, that's why the Jews made the golden calf like ten minutes after Charlton Heston went up the mountain, they just couldn't wait for something to worship. Everyone worships at some altar or another.

It's to bad that this thread couldn't evolve into a meaningful discussion, but that's unfortunately not the way of the forum.

I try to enlighten people. I was raised catholic so for a time I believed all the false stories as well. Then one day a few years ago I started to question this whole magic thing and said to myself if this is all true there would be lots of evidence to support it. Well when I researched the baby jesus I couldnt find ANY evidence other than hearsay. Not one eyewitness account NADA, all there is is hearsay that doesnt come into record until around 93CE. And the gospel accounts arent eyewitness accounts so nothing in the bible is considered archeological or scientific evidence. Not one historian from the first half of the first century ever mentions a miracle worker named jesus much less the roman records kept at the time.

[BadAim]

Oh, come on Oldschool, mate. Not one historian? What about Luke? Mark? Matthew? We have textual (archeological) evidence to date Matthew to within 20 years of Christ's death, and Mark shortly after. Luke wrote his two excellent histories with the benefit if these books and personal interviews with people who knew Jesus. There is more evidence for Jesus of Nazareth being a quite real person than for Augustus Caesar. There is one thing that there is no evidence for though. A Body. Had the Jews and the Romans been able to produce a body when the Christians were making such a nuisance of themselves, the little Jewish cult that was saying that this itinerant Rabbi who died on a Roman cross wasn't dead after all would have died just as surely as the rest of the Messiah cults.

Blind faith is a fools faith, and anyone who tells you otherwise, doesn't have any kind of real faith. If you hang around them long enough, you'll see. (As I'm sure you have)

BTW, Oldschool I don't believe the Catholics have the answers either, as they left the Bible behind long ago, but Jesus told me I have to love them too, so I do.

[addman]

I try to enlighten people. I was raised catholic so for a time I believed all the false stories as well. Then one day a few years ago I started to question this whole magic thing and said to myself if this is all true there would be lots of evidence to support it. Well when I researched the baby jesus I couldnt find ANY evidence other than hearsay. Not one eyewitness account NADA, all there is is hearsay that doesnt come into record until around 93CE. And the gospel accounts arent eyewitness accounts so nothing in the bible is considered archeological or scientific evidence. Not one historian from the first half of the first century ever mentions a miracle worker named jesus much less the roman records kept at the time.

Well, Pontius Pilatus was a real historical person (there's evidence to back it up). You also have to take into account that Jesus was an extremist of his time. Many people choose to ignore him because of his blasphemy, that of pretending to be the son of God. Surely they would not want people to know about such a person and hence they did not write about him. Speaking for myself, I almost never go to church for other reasons than the usual marriages, baptisms and funerals BUT not having ANYTHING to believe in must be a terribly hollow way to live this life. I believe in something but I don't know exactly what it is, does it make any sense? probably not, does it enrich my everyday life? yes it actually does. What I don't believe in is forcing your religion on others or judging others for what they believe in, I guess it's called mutual respect.

[swiss]

BUT not having ANYTHING to believe in must be a terribly hollow way to live this life

Not at all, why?
Live-enjoy-die.


yes it actually does

how?

[Novotny]

Come on people. This is a forum for video games; there's no need to bring arguments over religion into it.

I seriously can't believe we're doing this.

[swiss]

I seriously can't believe we're doing this.


Not enough COD stuff around to discuss. ;)

[BadAim]

It's a place for people to gather who have an interest in the same things, as I see it, like a bar or a golf club, or better yet the bar at the golf club. Is it impermissible for the conversation to wander from the topics of booze and golf occasionally?

[Oldschool61]

Well, Pontius Pilatus was a real historical person (there's evidence to back it up). You also have to take into account that Jesus was an extremist of his time. Many people choose to ignore him because of his blasphemy, that of pretending to be the son of God. Surely they would not want people to know about such a person and hence they did not write about him. .

Yes Pontius Pilatus was real and his reign is well recorded in Roman history. The Romans kept meticulus records of all events of significance. they even kept records of all there crucifixions and yet not one mention of anyone claiming to be a messiah. Do your own research of historical records of the first century and you'll be amazed that there is no evidence of baby jebus.

Gospels say he was famous in all the land, thousands upon thousands knew of him yet not one historian of his time ever mentions anyone named jesus.
First mention of a jesus is in around 93-94CE (AD) by Josephus when he mentions a person christians followed. Is this evidence? No its all hearsay evidence and most scholars admit it is almost certainly christian interpolations to try and sell the jesus story.

Believe me Ive been researching the historical and scientific evidence for this for a few years now and there just isnt any proof of any religion being true. They all revolve around ancient myths just like being reincarnated.

[Kittle]

Doesn't anyone here WANT to live another life? I sure do, and I really do hope that upon death, I am re-spawned into a very good looking and wealthy person, or a fighter pilot ;) and then I can tell people I was a great IL2 46' ace in a past life ;)

Seriously, I don't know if the story in question is true. I hope it is to be honest, but I won't know what happens after death until I die, and believe me, I will come and visit all of you to let you know in my own special way (see "poltergeist" for more information :P)

[Novotny]

Well, in most bars and definitely in any golf club, religion is off-limits, BadAim. Ah well what do I care. Go for it.

[Xilon_x]

Religion is a personal question each of us and 'free to believe in his religion. But you can not contradict the sacred texts like the Bible texts are encrypts all those years ago.
then we are talking about planes and simulation, but not religion.
you have to do it for the respect of all Muslims here are orthodox Catholics so your ideas Save it for you.
I am Catholic and I can tell you that you can not mix the history and theology are two different matters even the science and physics not can explain the theology.

[Oldschool61]

Well, in most bars and definitely in any golf club, religion is off-limits, BadAim. Ah well what do I care. Go for it.

Lets not forget that most wars have religion to thank. Until man lets go of his imaginary friends there will almost certainly never be piece on this planet.

[BadAim]

Well, in most bars and definitely in any golf club, religion is off-limits, BadAim. Ah well what do I care. Go for it.

As well it should be for the cold angry people that normally use empty religiosity as their refuge of choice. Unfortunately they are what many people equate with religion. Personally I have little use for religion .

[Xilon_x]

There are no explanations of religion.
There is only one thing ....... faith.
if you do not have faith in yourself you have no faith even in God.
God is unique in the universe.

[BadAim]

Lets not forget that most wars have religion to thank. Until man lets go of his imaginary friends there will almost certainly never be piece on this planet.

My goodness. You can't actually believe that can you? Wars are fought for greed and lust for power or to defend against such. Religion is only a convenient excuse.

[BadAim]

Religion is a personal question each of us and 'free to believe in his religion. But you can not contradict the sacred texts like the Bible texts are encrypts all those years ago.
then we are talking about planes and simulation, but not religion.
you have to do it for the respect of all Muslims here are orthodox Catholics so your ideas Save it for you.
I am Catholic and I can tell you that you can not mix the history and theology are two different matters even the science and physics not can explain the theology.

While I will respect your views I have to believe that they were taught to you by people who don't actually believe what they teach. I am a man of science and find little conflict between my science and my beliefs and further I have no trouble explaining what they are (usually).

[swiss]

Doesn't anyone here WANT to live another life?

I'll rather live forever.


...or least until I decide to chop off my head.

[BadAim]

I'll rather live forever.



We finally agree. Let me tell you how.:)

[BadAim]

BTW aren't smart phones cool? Well, I have to earn my pay. Later

[Oldschool61]

But you can not contradict the sacred texts like the Bible texts are encrypts all those years ago.
.

Actually the historical evidence doesnt support any of the stories of jesus. Not one historian wrote of any miracle worker doing miraculous things. Philo I believe was his name was a historian of the early first century in the judea area around 5-40 CE. He was there when the mythical jesus was alledged to have been alive yet this early first century historian never mentions jesus or anyone with similar attributes. Not to mention any miracles.

Im sorry but the historical evidence just doesnt exsist to support the story of jesus. Have you ever heard of Horus or Mithra?? Same story as jesus yet hundreds to a thousand years before jesus yet identical stories.

[Oldschool61]

I am a man of science and find little conflict between my science and my beliefs and further I have no trouble explaining what they are (usually).

When you say man of science does that mean your a "professional" scientist as in your educational background? Or an amature science "geek" lol.
Myself, I am a man of science, chemist by trade. Being taught in the art of scientific study its impossible to believe something that cant be proven.
Science tell us if something is true should should be able to observe it or reproduce its results, religion can do neither.

[Insuber]

Why the hell Adolf Galland reincarnation would take Novotny as pseudo ????? Your story is not credible :)

I'm the reincarnation of Adolf Galland, but you don't find me posting on the bloody internet about it, or trying to push a book entitled 'I'm the reincarnation of Adolf Galland' which is £15.99 and available from Amazon, Waterstones and all other good booksellers from Monday, and of which the first 100 copies sold are signed by ME, Adolf Galland.

And I'll be damned if I'd mention that it's being serialised in the Daily Mail either, starting next Tuesday.

And if I am available for after-dinner talks and/or business conferences, and if you could reach me through my London based PR company, 'Twitch Felch', in Victoria, 027210444576, I'd hardly make a song or dance about it.

Money grabbing liars, that's what they are.

[Baron]

Personally i have no doubt Jesus was a real PERSON who preached and had followers.

What he after his death turned into was the work of the roman catholic church in wich i dont belive a single word of.

They created the MAN to suite their own petty needs.

Religious politics = as bad as i gets.

[BadAim]

When you say man of science does that mean your a "professional" scientist as in your educational background? Or an amature science "geek" lol.
Myself, I am a man of science, chemist by trade. Being taught in the art of scientific study its impossible to believe something that cant be proven.
Science tell us if something is true should should be able to observe it or reproduce its results, religion can do neither.

I'm not saying that religion can be put into a test tube, neither can history. I Observe the results of faith in Christ all the time in changed lives and attitudes, but that's something that you would discount out of hand, the same way you discount the collection of largely historical documents that we now call the bible.

As for other religions, I can't say for most of the ones I've studied contradict what the Scriptures teach so I have to hold them as wrong if I believe the Bible to be right. I have no problem with those people who follow said religions (so long as they don't pose a physical threat) I just don't agree.

And, no I'm not a professional scientist. What I should probably have said is that I'm a man of reason, but I still stand by my statement.

[BadAim]

Personally i have no doubt Jesus was a real PERSON who preached and had followers.

What he after his death turned into was the work of the roman catholic church in wich i dont belive a single word of.

They created the MAN to suite their own petty needs.

Religious politics = as bad as i gets.

There was a vibrant Christian church long before the Romans got a hold of it, mate. I do have to agree that they made a mess of things. (with all due respect to today's Catholic believers, I just disagree with much of the "religious stuff")

The words that are accredited to Jesus however date back to within the lifetime of the people that knew Him, long before the established churches, and He was quite clear on who He thought He was. The only question is was He mad, lying or God?

[KG26_Alpha]

And here endeth the lesson.