Making the discussion threads by Oleg & Luthier Invite only

[Novotny]

I've done a bit of googling, and it is possible with this type of forum (vbulletin) to make threads 'invite only', meaning that anyone can read them, but only people invited to comment can remark in them.

It's a sorry state of affairs, but the number of stupid arguments or frankly rude and offensive questions that are put to both Oleg and Luthier doesn't seem to be going away.

I'd like to suggest that the threads are put to invite only, and people can request an invite to post. If they then behave like assholes, the invite can be rescinded.

My hope is that this can reduce the moderators' workloads and prevent obnoxious posters from spoiling the forum for everyone else.

[BP_Tailspin]

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[furbs]

Wow...just wow

............

:shock:

[=SLO=Hellcat]

Then what is the point of being registered if you can't post?

[Novotny]

The suggestion is only for the development threads, not for the forum itself.

[furbs]

And who would deside who is "nice enough" to post?

just think about what your asking for.

[Novotny]

I'm not suggesting anyone decides who is 'nice enough'; it would be anyone asking for posting rights getting them. The point is that anyone acting the fool could have his right to post in the thread taken away.

[philip.ed]

By making this thread, IMHO you are just lowering yourself to their level (whoever they are).
Seriously, I think some people take the internet way too seriously. Let Oleg, Luthier and co decide who annoys them or what questions they wish to answer ;)

[=SLO=Hellcat]

The suggestion is only for the development threads, not for the forum itself.

So normal users could only post in low level threads?
That is very discriminative.
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[Novotny]

Well, perhaps you're both right.

[JG52Uther]

All we need is more moderators,with big ban hammers.

[KG26_Alpha]

We need more responsible forum members.

[JG52Uther]

We need more responsible forum members.

Well obviously some people are never going to change,judging by some of the posters in the update threads.
Don't think I have ever been on an official forum where so much was tolerated.

[philip.ed]

Hmm...I don't think I've ever been on a forum where so many discuss posting! :D Everyone will be different. I always feel that the mods know when to step in when somebody is out of line. no harm done.

[bf-110]

I've done a bit of googling, and it is possible with this type of forum (vbulletin) to make threads 'invite only', meaning that anyone can read them, but only people invited to comment can remark in them.



Aka sticky and locked threads?

[Wolf_Rider]

We need more responsible forum members.




+1

[Furio]

We need more responsible forum members.

+1

[BadAim]

I'd be with you Novotny if only it wouldn't make the problem even worse. There are right now only a half dozen Asshats who are utterly intolerable. I fear your suggestion might bring out the fringe Asshats, and cause a riot. I think that banning the utterly intolerable Asshats, and just letting the rest just fizzle out might be the best thing.

Alternatively, we could just put up with them as we do in the real world. There is, after all less of them here than "out there". Really, I mean it.

[swiss]

I guess luthier and Oleg are mature enough to ignore the bullsh1t - or worst case, find the ignore function themselves.

[Novotny]

Well, it was merely a suggestion and the points people have made are good. I agree it's an over-reaction on my part, and I shouldn't let things annoy me so much. It's only the internet, after all.

Happy flying one and all.

[lbuchele]

A brazilian writer, Nelson Rodrigues, once said: "People have no conscience at all,they only have fear of the police"
Without the real fear of being banned or something,this people will not stop to behave in a rude and disrespectful manner.

[swiss]

A brazilian writer, Nelson Rodrigues, once said: "People have no conscience at all,they only have fear of the police"
Without the real fear of being banned or something,this people will not stop to behave in a rude and disrespectful manner.

Nice quote - in actually explains the South American way of democracy.
No thx. ;)

[lbuchele]

Nice quote - in actually explains the South American way of democracy.
No thx. ;)
You really doesn't need to offend all people from South America and of course,I'm brazilian BTW.
What Nelson Rodrigues was trying to say was something about the human nature,but I don't know if you are really capable of understand something like that.
Actually,you only makes Nelson Rodrigues to be really right about what he wrotes...:sad:

[swiss]

You really doesn't need to offend all people from South America and of course,I'm brazilian BTW.
What Nelson Rodrigues was trying to say was something about the human nature,but I don't know if you are really capable of understand something like that.
Actually,you only makes Nelson Rodrigues to be really right about what he wrotes...:sad:

In fact he's right. The problem is: This quote could be from any despot.
(Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Saddam etc)

I wasn't insulting SA - btw; why is it you guys are so thin skinned when it comes to such topics? I noticed that on a HL server too, one word and they freak out.
Those are not the South Americans I remember - went to school with Brazilians, Venezuelans etc. They were like Brazil (or whatever SA country) FTW! all the time.
Pretty annoying in fact...
I never had the impression they suffer from lack of self esteem.
:confused:

[Wolf_Rider]

A brazilian writer, Nelson Rodrigues, once said: "People have no conscience at all,they only have fear of the police"
Without the real fear of being banned or something,this people will not stop to behave in a rude and disrespectful manner.



down her in Oz many. many years ago, we had the 21 Squad and things were nice... if you thugged out, they gotcha. one just didn't mess up with them about.
Sadly that squad was disbanded and look at what we have now.



I understand what you're writing ibuchele about the human nature... being sent to the "naughty corner" doesn't work :)

[Richie]

The best thing to do with someone who is being a pest is ignore them. It drives them crazy.

[Wolf_Rider]

Off Topic but yet very much related

The one thing all those poor kids, who, have gone berko with smallarms in the US schools (and others around the world) have one thing in common... that is being shunned, teased/ tormented, humiliated and denigrated.

[bf-110]

I hope we don´t have the secret police moderators,like many forums worldwide have...

[Avimimus]

A brazilian writer, Nelson Rodrigues, once said: "People have no conscience at all,they only have fear of the police"
Without the real fear of being banned or something,this people will not stop to behave in a rude and disrespectful manner.

He was wrong though.

(eg. Who do the police fear? Why doesn't the army take over? - and ten thousand other objections. Only the pampered and the authoritarian can really believe that the police keep much of anything in check)

[lbuchele]

He was wrong though.

(eg. Who do the police fear? Why doesn't the army take over? - and ten thousand other objections. Only the pampered and the authoritarian can really believe that the police keep much of anything in check)
Please,my point and certainly Mr.Nelson Rodrigues too, was that the human race as a whole is not really self disciplined by nature.
That's why we create laws,right?
Because we are a race capable of the most marvelus examples of love and sacrifice for the others but also the more montruous acts against other human beings.It was not a quote about the police,literally, for god's sake...
And he certainly wasn't wrong.Just look around,it's easy to see.All the strong democracies in the world,have strong laws punishing criminals AND (this is the real difference) laws really work on those countries.
Here is a strong critic about my own country in this matter.
Off topic enough,this is becoming too political for my taste.

[Avimimus]

Definitely too political. I'm also probably completely unfair (taking the quote out of context - which is always tempting with such strong quotes).

I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were pampered or authoritarian (even though I seem to have). I'm sorry if my glib and harsh reply was rude or disrespectful in any way.

When the democratisation program began in England, there were about 200 crimes for which capital sentences could be awarded (and a women had been burned at the stake in 1790 for counterfeiting). On the whole democracies have much more moderate laws (perhaps because the government is seen as more legitimate).

A lot needs to be said for trust, self-discipline, cultural values, ties of mutual respect, thankfulness and broader social pressure.

A lot of individual people don't behave as they should, but typical behaviour in a society, and what values groups hold, can mean the difference between the military taking over or democratic opposition being respected. There are a lot of cases where fear of the law wouldn't prevent people from acting out (but other things do).

A lot of small societies (eg. indigenous peoples) don't have anything like a modern legal system, but are still able to regulate behaviour.

[fireflyerz]

Shoot that man right now sargent.

[lbuchele]

I enjoy very much your post Avimimus,thanks for your understanding.

[Stiboo]

You cannot have positives without negatives existing !

Just ban any OTT posters for a few days..

Anyway it makes my laugh seeing how some people carry on !!




For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors and laugh at them in our turn? - Jane Austen

[heywooood]

I think a certain amount of useful material is garnered occasionally from some of the outlandish wish posts...or that an unintentional idea could be taken at a tangent from some of them.

as to the nattering and bashing that goes on well...I think people are quick enough to recognize and dismiss those (another definition of R&D) so I doubt they cause Oleg or Ilya much distress at all - they're big boys and can handle an open forum warts and all be sure.

I don't care for the suggestion to make those threads available by 'invite only' because it is pure cheese -

You think Oleg and company don't already have a close association with their own inner band of talented, experienced artists, historians, fliers, and engineers??? Thats where the 'closed' or 'invite only' development threads are...

They only come here for our sake to keep us in the loop like no other software development team in history (this is a huge part of the way they 'market' their sim)
...if they happen to get an idea or two they had not considered before so much the better.

but don't fool yourself into thinking that they might miss some brilliant idea of yours here in this forum because of the roughage that accumulates in the specific threads you refer to...thats just ridiculous

[nearmiss]

Oleg and Luthier both know how to use the IGNORE LIST feature of this site.

If and when either of them thinks that reading smeone's junk postings become to obnoxious they know what to do.

Mostly, since they are adult men they just pass over the junk and move on to better things.

If you are put on their IGNORE LIST you can count on NEVER receiving any kind of answer from them, even if you do make a sensible post.

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There is another way moderators can keep the update threads ON TOPIC. It is very simple, set all posts in the thread to go into a moderation queue.

Moderators can set ANY thread for moderation queue with a couple of simple clicks of the mouse.

Don't think moderators aren't tempted to use this method of moderation when a bunch of junk postings have to be deleted. LOL

Then of course everyone posting has to wait until a moderator has read and approved each posting in made in the thread before it is published.

Everyone also means Oleg's and Luthier's postings would have to be approved as well. Moderators cannot pick or choose members for moderation of a thread, only the thread. This would mean everything and eveyone one would slow down considerably.

[Qpassa]

I think is healthy to have some negative opinions, it is not all "wow wonderful", there are many things that could be improved ( but not all the weeks you have to repeat it )

[bf-110]

I think is healthy to have some negative opinions, it is not all "wow wonderful", there are many things that could be improved ( but not all the weeks you have to repeat it )

Not being expressed in the troll manner...

[#402FOX]

I can't beleave this thread is still running. you guys must have too much time on your hands.

[Avimimus]

I enjoy very much your post Avimimus,thanks for your understanding.

Thank you.

I've looked up Rodrigues - do you think he would be interesting to read?

[BadAim]

I think the real point here the manner of posts, not the content. Of course negative posts are OK, even welcome (Oleg and Luthier have said so). I think it's even less about the posters as who their posting to. Oleg and his team do what they do for the love of it. It's highly unlikely that anyone is getting rich at 1C or Maddox games. Some of us are just grated by the way people abuse them that's all. It's embarrassing really.

Maybe we expect the community that we are a part of to have a little class. It's probably silly to expect it across the board. We might well be happy that it's the case for the most part.......

[Tempest123]

I agree, of course criticism is necessary, that is what helps improve the product, for CoD and for DT patches. I think what separates this forum from some others is that most of the members are polite and constructive in their debate which is something that I had only seen previously in closed or very niche forums. It is a public forum so of course there is the occasional 'internuts', but it seems to pretty well regulated here.

[TheDawg]

Well, perhaps you're both right.

This thread has the stamp of approval.

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[TheDawg]

Off Topic but yet very much related

The one thing all those poor kids, who, have gone berko with smallarms in the US schools (and others around the world) have one thing in common... that is being shunned, teased/ tormented, humiliated and denigrated.

What about the tens of thousands of similarly shunned, teased/ tormented, humiliated and denigrated kids who grew up and achieved greatness?

[Ernst]

I guess if the topic author is certain that he will be invited for such invite only discussion. :cool::twisted:

[Avala]

I've done a bit of googling, and it is possible with this type of forum (vbulletin) to make threads 'invite only', meaning that anyone can read them, but only people invited to comment can remark in them.

It's a sorry state of affairs, but the number of stupid arguments or frankly rude and offensive questions that are put to both Oleg and Luthier doesn't seem to be going away.

I'd like to suggest that the threads are put to invite only, and people can request an invite to post. If they then behave like assholes, the invite can be rescinded.

My hope is that this can reduce the moderators' workloads and prevent obnoxious posters from spoiling the forum for everyone else.

It has been so long since I read something idiotic and ignorant like this http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/frech/a085.gif

Maybe Oleg also can give certificates who can fly the simulation and who cant? http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/frech/c035.gif

[Novotny]

Charming, Avala. I took on board the responses and accepted them, stating that I was over-reacting to the internet. Why don't you consider that too?

[Il2Pongo]

Wow,
the trolls and the attackers and the insulters get banned,
the nit picker, sky is falling, street sign is the wrong colour guys get eyes rolled at them.
How is you suggestion better then what is happening now.
Oleg and co want feed back. None of us know who might have the critical feed back.
Horrible idea

[nearmiss]

How do you know there isn't a private forums?

Be careful what you ask for you might get your wish, and you might be excluded.

Ultimate irony...LOL

That would really be awesome, an elite forums where all the fan boys could congregate and talk to Oleg. LOL

Oleg and Luthier are grown men, they can deal with the stupid postings.
There are options open to them, including the ignore list.

WHo knows... if you have never received a direct response from Oleg or Luthier to one of your stupid postings you might be on their ignore list.

[Avala]

Charming, Avala. I took on board the responses and accepted them, stating that I was over-reacting to the internet. Why don't you consider that too?

Well, you cant tell me that I am over-reactive to the internet. Because I'm not.

But you can tell me that I might first read all the posts in the thread before posting, for which I'm guilty.

So, did you learn your lesson about such suggestions, young man http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/frech/a025.gif

[Novotny]

The idea wasn't for an elite forum, it was to weed out those who habitually post undesirable comments - but man, we've gone through this all in the thread - even nearmiss is now repeating himself!

As it happens, I'm not actually in the habit of posting suggestions or comments in the dev posts, so I'm not seeking some sort of elevated position for myself; the suggestion really was, purely and simply, to clean up the dev threads.

I am guilty of getting of getting very annoyed with ignorant posters, however. This is probably because I am very old and spawned in a dark time before we had internets and when people were more polite. I have prescribed myself a heavy & regular dose of 'ignorethetwatsopram' and it's working quite well, mostly.

[swiss]

Novotny, please ask mod to lock this thread.

[Novotny]

^^ As above. I'd hoped it would die when it reached it's logical conclusion, but no.

[Novotny]

Oh god lock please quick

[JG52Uther]

Yay Tanner first one for the ignore list.

[nearmiss]

Yeah, this thread is locked at the request of the thread starter and a few other well meaning folks. LOL