To daidalos mod team

[Neuntoter]

Since i played il-2 first time years ago, ive been wondering why there is no such planes on the game as SB2C helldiver and D4Y judy. Both of those planes, as some more, were important part of the history of war and yet they are still missing from the game. So, at last, would it be the time to mod those planes to the game?

some of the pacific theater planes that are still missing

SB2C Helldiver
D4Y Judy
Ki-45 Nick
H6K Mavis

[Wutz]

Since i played il-2 first time years ago, ive been wondering why there is no such planes on the game as SB2C helldiver and D4Y judy. Both of those planes, as some more, were important part of the history of war and yet they are still missing from the game. So, at last, would it be the time to mod those planes to the game?

some of the pacific theater planes that are still missing

SB2C Helldiver
D4Y Judy
Ki-45 Nick
H6K Mavis
Ever since Pacificfighters came out the PTO theatre has been treated like a step child, very underdeveloped. You can say for every 10 ETO planes you might get 1 for the PTO.

[Former_Older]

Wutz, your post suggests that the lack of attention was a deliberate decision

[Wutz]

Wutz, your post suggests that the lack of attention was a deliberate decision
I´m suggesting nothing just how it is. Ever compared the PTO with the ETO?
Reguardless planes maps, ships.....
Just take the scenario Pearl Harbour, instead of US battelships, British battleships where used. Also in the plane set there are such huge gaps that only with lots and lots of compromises a mission can be built.
You just need to check it out for yourself, if I am exaggerating or not.
I think many here can confirm that.

[DD_crash]

Since i played il-2 first time years ago, ive been wondering why there is no such planes on the game as SB2C helldiver and D4Y judy. Both of those planes, as some more, were important part of the history of war and yet they are still missing from the game. So, at last, would it be the time to mod those planes to the game?

some of the pacific theater planes that are still missing

SB2C Helldiver


see http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=17961 for more interesting info :)

[Wutz]

see http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=17961 for more interesting info :)
Well that is one aircraft, but there are a lot more than that missing! As NP never made the G3M1 or the Ki21 or any Japanese planes that are missing as such. Even though this one US plane has always been pulled over as an excuse.

[Romanator21]

If they were included, a lot of people would be compaining about the unbalanced and unfair planeset, and would continue to make up conspiracy theories.

BTW, NG also had a claim on many of the ships that would have been present in Pearl Harbor, as well as other planes and equipment, not just the Avenger.

[Fafnir_6]

Was Curtiss bought out by NG at some point? This pesky NG thingy is very annoying... May the whole Northrop-Grumman board of directors eat rotten caviar and choke on their own barf.

Boo hiss on NG,

Fafnir_6

[DKoor]

I don't think they are mod team to start with:).

[robtek]

Legal mod-team -> patch-team

[Furio]

I don't think they are mod team to start with:).

+1. Perhaps moderators may correct the thread title. Neutonter is a newcomer (welcome!) and some imprecision is understandable :).
As for the SB2C, many have requested it (including me, on a since disappeared thread about request to TD developers). The reason is simple: you can accept some missing plane in a land battle, but it’s much more difficult on the decks of aircraft carriers...
By the way, Avenger is present as AI only, while we have all models of F4F and F6F, so Gr***an can’t do more damage!

For the Japanese side, in my opinion the most sorely missing types are the Ki44 Shoki and Ki45 Toryu. I also believe that should be wiser to add more AI planes (as in the 4.10 patch), because they are simpler to made. If I’m not mistaken, a cockpit requires as much work as a whole new airframe.

[TinyTim]

It's many times overlooked that entire IL-2 series focused on specific theatre of operation (i.e. was time-space limited). Maps, flyable and AI planes, weaponry, static objects, missions, campaigns etc. were all typical for that battle or theatre. That's why there are gaps. That's why there are fantasy/rare planes in the sim with many real WW2 planes missing.

[Wutz]

It's many times overlooked that entire IL-2 series focused on specific theatre of operation (i.e. was time-space limited). Maps, flyable and AI planes, weaponry, static objects, missions, campaigns etc. were all typical for that battle or theatre. That's why there are gaps. That's why there are fantasy/rare planes in the sim with many real WW2 planes missing.
You are forgeting that after the original IL2 add ons like "Forgoten Battles" and "Pacific fighters" where brought out. And Pacific fighters had and has still very many gaps that it still can be called a "beta"-version.
As to missing Japanese planes, well for Burma missions we have not a single Japanese bomber for the IJA, only stock Japanese bombers that are flyable are the G4M1 and the Aichi Val both are IJN or navy planes, and the Japanese navy and the Japanese army kept to themselves they did not really mingle.
Also British ships as place holders for famous US ships is pretty poor.
Also the Japanese navy had more than aircraft carriers and a few destroyers in their navy too.

[Romanator21]

You seem pretty enthusiastic about the subject Wutz.

Maybe you could lend DT a hand and model some objects for them. :)

[Wutz]

You seem pretty enthusiastic about the subject Wutz.

Maybe you could lend DT a hand and model some objects for them. :)
Just because one sees the obvious one must be a IT-Geek? What kind of logic is that?
If you are happy that IL2 1946 is reduced to a furball orgie good for you!
Guess you must be bored little boy to post just hot air?

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

If they were included, a lot of people would be compaining about the unbalanced and unfair planeset, and would continue to make up conspiracy theories.

BTW, NG also had a claim on many of the ships that would have been present in Pearl Harbor, as well as other planes and equipment, not just the Avenger.

Ok - just exactly how does NG have a claim to the ships?

Do you actually have any sort of info that would substantiate that kind of claim?

The U.S. Navy designed the ships of those days, not the contractors. Contractors designed some of the aircraft (not all). Navy yards and contract yards built the ships.

Let's not take this to the nth level please?

S!

Gunny

[Monguse]

This might shed some light

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3351059465?r=9781059465#9781059465

Conceivably the model could be renamed Carrier_Generic_2

[Wutz]

This might shed some light

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3351059465?r=9781059465#9781059465

Conceivably the model could be renamed Carrier_Generic_2
O.k. that says something about certain CVs and F4Us but nothing about ships like the Arizona, Nevada, California, Tennessee, Maryland, West Virginia, Oklahoma and ex-battleship Utah. And those are sorely missing.
British Battleships as place holders just looks ugh....
It is almost like using IL2s for Helldivers.

[csThor]

NG accquired various shipyards post-war and has therefor claimed "intellectual ownership" of the ships produced by said shipyards. In the current situation it's irrelevant if their claim is logical (which I think is a word which should not be used in one sentence with NG) or even legal (which I doubt as well) but the fact stands: Ubisoft struck a deal with NG and now we're stuck with said deal. Which means any aircraft and ship produced by companies under the NG umbrella (which aren't in the game ATM) will not be added by Team Daidalos. Same goes to any aircraft of NG not flyable will not be made flyable, either.

[Erkki]

This game has all Grumman products, even with semi-detailed graphics. Zeros also shoot the plane below down in hordes. I think I'll ask them how much they needed for the bribe...

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7456/wildcatpn.jpg

[Wutz]

NG accquired various shipyards post-war and has therefor claimed "intellectual ownership" of the ships produced by said shipyards. In the current situation it's irrelevant if their claim is logical (which I think is a word which should not be used in one sentence with NG) or even legal (which I doubt as well) but the fact stands: Ubisoft struck a deal with NG and now we're stuck with said deal. Which means any aircraft and ship produced by companies under the NG umbrella (which aren't in the game ATM) will not be added by Team Daidalos. Same goes to any aircraft of NG not flyable will not be made flyable, either.
Hmm if there was a list of ships posted which are no goes it would be more understandable. Or does NG have rights on ALL the ships which where stationed at Pearl during the Japanese attack?

[Fenrir]

Come on guys, think ahead a bit here:

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH U.S. COMPANY MADE YOUR FAVOURITE PLANE/SHIP/VEHICLE AS THERE IS NOW LEGAL PRECEDENT.

This means any US firm that swallowed up any of the manufacturers of ships/aircraft/vehicles could now sue for the unauthorised modelling of "their" intellectual property, not just NG.

By folding on this issue, Ubi opened the door to all US companies that either built - or bought up a manufacturer - of any of these things to be a potential source of litigation.

As for the IJN/IJA side of the equation, I understood that the lack of flyable Kate and others, is more to do with a lack of verifiable data with regards to cockpits and instrumentation, tho there is a chance that the same legal issue might be a factor with the Japanese (ex)aero-industry companies.

[dFrog]

Well, I have a question about ''intellectual property''.
What about F4U-4,-5,-7... It was made before Grumman acquired Vough, do they own any rights or can this plane be made ?
I'm no lawyer, just asking.

[Fenrir]

As far as understand, you buy a company you automatically *buy* the intellectual property of that concern be it new inventions or the design of stock that was bought by the governmant on behalf of the people 70 years ago.

Just grand ain't it?

[dFrog]

Well yes. I forgot to add that Grumman sold Vough. It was bought by Carlyle and renamed Vought Aircraft Industries.
Who's the owner of rights now ?

[TheGrunch]

As for the IJN/IJA side of the equation, I understood that the lack of flyable Kate and others, is more to do with a lack of verifiable data with regards to cockpits and instrumentation, tho there is a chance that the same legal issue might be a factor with the Japanese (ex)aero-industry companies.
There's plenty of references available, it's just a lack of interest from third-party modellers, it seems.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Yep, I have enough references about the Kate's cockpit(s).

[Fafnir_6]

Yep, I have enough references about the Kate's cockpit(s).

Cool! You ARE encouraging speculation, you know.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6