Ltbear
01-03-2011, 10:19 AM
The 190 have had a turbulent life in IL2. Main thing was the "Bar" then there was damedge model etc.
I have for a long time (4+ years) Been reading data and documents relatet to this plane.
In many cases the evaluation documents from the allied side have a "this was not a fighter version or this was a dameged plane etc" in it.
In general im pretty happy with it, i can live with the "bar" and the damedge model, but the acceleration have always been an isue for me. Its wierd that it is normaly mentioned on par with allied planes from the same time period when it accelerates like it does in the game.
What i do know is that one who have a deep understanding with math and who have numbers that are close relatet to a planes performance, can calculate a data set for another plane, as long its the same model, with only minor modifications.
I cant do it, my math is not good enough for that and i dont have the understanding that is required to do this, but maby one around here have the brain for it, and will consider it a fun little challenge.
The document i post here are not about anything but the acceleration for me. There is stuf about turning etc, some might know it, if im lucky someone might have a better one with better numbers. This one are a test flight of the 190A-4 vs a F4U-1 and a F6F-3
The documents have some numbers about climp, speed and acceleration between the airplanes. The planes are ingame, so we have a set of data for 3planes ingame, this document from a RL test of the FW-190A-4 and the 2 others, that give us 2 reference points to calculate anything about the 190.
The 190 are flying against brand new production planes, but the running time for the 190 is unknown, but you can find the real data of a 190A-4 production (as statet by manifacturer)
Main problem is that this test is a jabo version. Well in general its a 190A-4, but there are made modifications, these modifications are some of the challenge for the math head. In general the jabo and fighter version are the same, main diffrence is the weight, so the math head need to calculate the performance difference between the testet plane "pr document" to the manifactoring data for the fighter version.
Again. This is not about turning, manouvers etc, this is only about the acceleration of the 190A-4.
If we here can get enough data i know math can solve the mystery about the "truck feeling" of the 190`s
If numbers are rock solid there is no reson to doubt the numbers.
So for the fun of it it could be a fun project, hopefully a small topic clean of to much bias etc. This is about raw numbers, alot of math and hopefully a place where alot, like me can get a bigger understanding of the math behind planes.
I will give the test document and some other data. Maby someone can test the 190A-4 ingame against the two other planes so we can have the game data.
Then we need someone who have a math brain to tell us what we need more to be able to make a estimatet data sheet for the acceleration of the 190A-4 and then finaly compare that with the 190A-4 ingame :)
Hope some others would think this could be a cool idea
1. Test flight document
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/ptr-1107.pdf
Please post data if you have it
Aircraft specifications of the 190A-4
Think the most important numbers are the engine power, and the weight, but there is proberbly something else lol (edit, like drag)
LTbear
I have for a long time (4+ years) Been reading data and documents relatet to this plane.
In many cases the evaluation documents from the allied side have a "this was not a fighter version or this was a dameged plane etc" in it.
In general im pretty happy with it, i can live with the "bar" and the damedge model, but the acceleration have always been an isue for me. Its wierd that it is normaly mentioned on par with allied planes from the same time period when it accelerates like it does in the game.
What i do know is that one who have a deep understanding with math and who have numbers that are close relatet to a planes performance, can calculate a data set for another plane, as long its the same model, with only minor modifications.
I cant do it, my math is not good enough for that and i dont have the understanding that is required to do this, but maby one around here have the brain for it, and will consider it a fun little challenge.
The document i post here are not about anything but the acceleration for me. There is stuf about turning etc, some might know it, if im lucky someone might have a better one with better numbers. This one are a test flight of the 190A-4 vs a F4U-1 and a F6F-3
The documents have some numbers about climp, speed and acceleration between the airplanes. The planes are ingame, so we have a set of data for 3planes ingame, this document from a RL test of the FW-190A-4 and the 2 others, that give us 2 reference points to calculate anything about the 190.
The 190 are flying against brand new production planes, but the running time for the 190 is unknown, but you can find the real data of a 190A-4 production (as statet by manifacturer)
Main problem is that this test is a jabo version. Well in general its a 190A-4, but there are made modifications, these modifications are some of the challenge for the math head. In general the jabo and fighter version are the same, main diffrence is the weight, so the math head need to calculate the performance difference between the testet plane "pr document" to the manifactoring data for the fighter version.
Again. This is not about turning, manouvers etc, this is only about the acceleration of the 190A-4.
If we here can get enough data i know math can solve the mystery about the "truck feeling" of the 190`s
If numbers are rock solid there is no reson to doubt the numbers.
So for the fun of it it could be a fun project, hopefully a small topic clean of to much bias etc. This is about raw numbers, alot of math and hopefully a place where alot, like me can get a bigger understanding of the math behind planes.
I will give the test document and some other data. Maby someone can test the 190A-4 ingame against the two other planes so we can have the game data.
Then we need someone who have a math brain to tell us what we need more to be able to make a estimatet data sheet for the acceleration of the 190A-4 and then finaly compare that with the 190A-4 ingame :)
Hope some others would think this could be a cool idea
1. Test flight document
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/ptr-1107.pdf
Please post data if you have it
Aircraft specifications of the 190A-4
Think the most important numbers are the engine power, and the weight, but there is proberbly something else lol (edit, like drag)
LTbear