Friday 2010-12-31 Happy Hew Year Dev. update and Discussion

[Oleg Maddox]

1C, the team, and I'm personally wish you all the very best and happy new year!
Good health, success in life and business, education, etc !


PS. The shot with the stuka - one of the frame of the shell hit.

[Oleg Maddox]

Second part

[BP_Tailspin]

And a Happy New Year to all at 1C :-)

[DB605]

Bailout shot is great! Happy new year to Oleg and team too!

[ECV56_Guevara]

Sorry! deleted 2nd post!
Thanxs Oleg! & Happy new year for all!!!!!!

[VO101_Sanyo]

Happy New Year to you Oleg and your team! :)

[The Kraken]

Thanks Oleg - a happy new year to you and the whole team as well!

Lovely bomber shots; also seems the Spitfire pilot doesn't look as laid back as in previous shots :)

[fireflyerz]

Happy new year guys :grin: (und Gals)

[Flanker35M]

S!

Happy New Year 2011! Thank you for the update :)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Thankyou for the update.

Happy New Year one and all!

[JFA2]

Thank You Oleg & team! All the best for You for the new Year!

[HARs_ASSOS]

Happy New Year, all~

[Zorin]

A happy 2011 to you too :)

Nice update as always. Though the SoW pilots are still flying hands-free ;)

[albx]

Great shots Oleg, thanks and happy new year :)

[AndyJWest]

Yes, a happy new year to all at 1C:Maddox, and all on the forum.

The screenshots are looking better than ever. :cool:

[leggit]

happy new year to everyone...lets hope 2011 is the year we get our hands on SoW;)

[352ndBushpilot]

Happy New Year gents! Great shots.

[I/ZG52_Gaga]

All the best for 2011!

Best wishes for a happy & productive year.

[philip.ed]

Happy New Year everyone!
Awesome shots,
Oleg, any input as to formation sizes? Will we be able to see hundreds of planes at once?

[easytarget3]

Happy New Year to all!!! Good Health and good people around you! And i hope the rabbit will fly 2011 :-))

[Flyby]

Happy New Year to all who come here! :D May the new year bring you much happiness, and little dismay. May your main wish be granted. ;)
Flyby out

[smink1701]

Oleg, very nice. Thanks for the update and hope you have a great and very productive (please finish the game soon!!!), New Year.

Chuck Yeager

[NSU]

very best and happy new year for you and the 1C team too

[T}{OR]

Proper VEE formation, and (if I am right) more formations (elements) following lead element... Excellent! :cool:

A happy New Year to 1C team, and everyone here at 1C forums!

[trO]

Happy New Year all....

:cool:

[David603]

40 aircraft in one formation :grin:

[jippy13]

Hi Oleg.
It s nice from you thinking of your fans the last day of the year.

Wow, the shadow of the pilot on his dammaged plane, amazing !!

Happy new year !

[rakinroll]

Thank you Oleg, and happy new year to you and the team.

[Redwan]

Very nice update ! Everything looks very nice except the screen where a guy bails out from a 109. This one looks very cartoony to me and I can't really explain why.
Maybe the textures ... and the clouds look less good than in Il246 ... I hope they are just a place holder.

[secretone]

Thanks for the update Oleg. Best wishes for 2011 to you and your team.

Seeing larger formations leads me to wonder about the AI in SOW. Can you tell us anything about it? How will it differ from IL-2? What sort of changes/improvements can we expect?

[RedToo]

A very happy and productive new year to all on the SoW team.

It's all coming together very nicely now :)

RedToo.

[proton45]

Happy New Year Everyone...

Thanks for the update

[Insuber]

Best wishes of Happy New Year to you and Team!

Formation is great.

Glass reflection seems overdone, given the amount of pics showing a strong reflection.

Cheers,
Insuber

[Lemmi]

Nice Staffelkeil.

Happy New Year Oleg + 1C Team !

Thank You very much for 2010.

[Sutts]

Happy New Year Oleg, Luthier and Team. That 40 plane formation looks fantastic and the Wimpy shot really could be a photograph from the war years. Great work indeed.

We may whine sometimes but please remember how much we appreciate your efforts to bring us a first class sim. I hope 2011 brings you the success you richly deserve.

[kristorf]

Many thanks, those Spit markings look spot on (minor point of serial being over the code, but at 300mph+ who will notice)

[louisv]

Happy New Year to everyone and especially to the team...
Oleg, Luthier have a good one !!!

Louis

[kalimba]

Happy New Year to Oleg and team...!

Looking at those shots, well, I think we all will go absolutely crazy when
we'll finally see Hi-res/Hi-def/full details/full features shots and video from SOW....;)

Salute to All !

[MD_Titus]

happy new year one and all

cracking update again oleg, nice shot up 109 - as nature intended!

[Caveman]

Thank you Oleg, and happy new year to you and the team.

Agreed. That caught my eye as well... And shows the lighting engine is VERY capable, and does not appear to have any "faking"; the objects and lighting are truly interacting with one another.

[BigPickle]

Happy New Year Thank you for the updates over the holidays.
The Wellington is beautiful, really looking forward to flying the lady.
I would love to see a cockpit shot for the Wellington.
Thank you

[Caveman]

Best wishes of Happy New Year to you and Team!

Formation is great.

Glass reflection seems overdone, given the amount of pics showing a strong reflection.

Cheers,
Insuber

I tend to agree with your comments on reflection though they may be catching the angle just right to capture that reflection and show it off. It's great to see it. The lighting engine looks very capable.

[Rot Bourratif]

Thanks very much for the update.

See you all in the new year.

As the ancient Greek said : Ein und Swantzig Vier un Vierzig

[Pierre@]

Best wishes to Oleg, his Team and everyone on this Forum!
And a special Thank you for having corrected the canopy emergency release on the Emil.

[krz9000]

wonderfull updates oleg and team!! i wish that this simulator will shift the simulation genre again back into mainstream attention. i have red you will publish by steam? THIS IS AWSOME!!! it will make impulse buys so much more common and keep us simmers always updated without hassels. also your ability to update often without woriing will help to make everyone happy :)

one last question: do you have a facebook account for your sim? pls create one...viral distribution into mainstream happens very easliy with facebook. xplane does this very successfully and it is actually easy to implement. just repost your weekly updates there every few days. you will see the attention will raise dramatically if all simmers share these updates with their mainstream friends.

[JG53Harti]

Thank you and a happy new year to Oleg & Team

[Old_Canuck]

Happy new year to the O-Team and IL-2 fans.

[McHilt]

....viral distribution into mainstream happens very easliy with facebook....

??? Virtual maybe? :confused: :-)

Ok, just a detail...
anyway, Thanks for posting on the 31st of december!
and a happy new year to all of you...

[speculum jockey]

Looking great! One question. Is the greenhouse on the Dornier going to be fixed so that it isn't 2D? It really detracts from an otherwise great model.

[rjb1fgc]

Best wishes to all in this community for a satisfying and healthy New Year.
( Been enjoying the challenges of IL2 since 2003 and this group has shaken-out to be a most intelligent and compassionate one compared to many on the web )

[CRO_Adriatic]

Sretna nova godina!

[Meusli]

Looking at that formation pic I can not wait to fly an Eagle Day mission, should be lots of targets. :)

Happy New Year everyone, as it is now the Year of SOW! (I hope) ;)

[major_setback]

I was really not expecting an update today. Thank you.

Coming back from my week's holiday I found two updates and a big 4.10 patch!!:-)

Have a great New Year all developers, both official and unofficial.

[erco]

To all at 1C and to all of us who are your virtual family.

Happy landings for 2011!!

[Pahvi]

Happy New Year!

[zakkandrachoff]

happy release year

[jocko417]

Many thanks, those Spit markings look spot on (minor point of serial being over the code, but at 300mph+ who will notice)

Yes, although IMO the red needs to be tweaked a bit. Looks more like SAAF than RAF as it is now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/1-11.jpg

versus

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/2-10.jpg

perhaps?

[redarrows2006]

Happy new year
and thank you for the update;)

[DoolittleRaider]

2011 in China will be the Year of the Rabbit...

...in the rest of the world, it will be known as 2011, the Year of SOW:BOB

Happy New Year Oleg and Team!

[Coen020]

Very nice update ! Everything looks very nice except the screen where a guy bails out from a 109. This one looks very cartoony to me and I can't really explain why.
Maybe the textures ... and the clouds look less good than in Il246 ... I hope they are just a place holder.

i agree, the houses and actually the whole scenery looks too clean.
Ah the hell with it, ill go along with everyone else by saying:

HAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYY NEEEEEWWWWWWW YEAAAAAAAAR!

[Adwark]

Happy New Year Oleg!
Thank you and team for your's awesom job.

[Balkenkruez JG27 Farber]

Lets how this next year brings better oppotunities and work for us all.

[kalimba]

Very nice update ! Everything looks very nice except the screen where a guy bails out from a 109. This one looks very cartoony to me and I can't really explain why.
Maybe the textures ... and the clouds look less good than in Il246 ... I hope they are just a place holder.

Low res, low details, no AA, f/x at minimum , clouds from IL2 and probably DX9...

Don't worry... It will blow our minds when Oleg decides to put the big show on...:grin:

Salute !

[zauii]

happy new year Oleg and all of our great comrads at 1c boards :)

[SlipBall]

Thank you for the up-date and the New Year wish. I hope the same for you, your family and the team...I particulary like the third shot, the Stuka has a very cool looking patina from oxidation, and wear. Very nice appearance about her, and the exhaust staining looks wonderful as well.............also, it appears that the exit hole's of the bullets, raise the torn metal skin, and this is as it should be...cool:grin:


Do you know how long it took of flight time, to develope the staining and patina?

[simace]

Low res, low details, no AA, f/x at minimum , clouds from IL2 and probably DX9...

Don't worry... It will blow our minds when Oleg decides to put the big show on...:grin:

Salute !

With respect, kalimba, you speak as though with authority. How is this? PM me if you'd prefer.

S!

[jamesdietz]

Hals und Beinbruch!

[tourmaline]

A very happy new year to Oleg and team!
May your sales of storm of war: BOB be very succesful.:cool::!:

[K-Style]

Looking great! One question. Is the greenhouse on the Dornier going to be fixed so that it isn't 2D? It really detracts from an otherwise great model.

Ju88. The dornier model we have seen appears to be better than the Ju88.

Dornier:

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Video_Screenshot_00.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2x27ahVz9o&feature=player_embedded /embed fail sorry guys

Current pic of Ju88:

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/shot_20101223_161548.jpg

Older pic of the Ju88

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/shot_20100827_191717.jpg

[kalimba]

With respect, kalimba, you speak as though with authority. How is this? PM me if you'd prefer.

S!

Well, Oleg told us himself about his PC "limitations" in previous posts :cool:
So his " personnal" updates are limited in terms of quality and are at low settings...For the hi res, he has to "borrow" a PC from his team...And he can't do that at this time...Luthier confirmed that also...

And if you take a look at sreen shots from this update...

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=15413

And compare with today's...You'll see...:rolleyes:

Salute !

[ColdfireTrilogy]

Happy new year! Good luck oleg and crew!

[dflion]

Great update Oleg.
The colours, shadow effects and damage effects are really looking good.
I like the 40 Wellingtons flying in 'V' formation - a glimpse of what is to come - 40+ Heinkels, Dorniers and Junkers heading the other way!

DFLion

[Richie]

Happy New Year all. I was flying IL-2 and I looked at the tires of my F4 Trop. When the modders start getting hold of SOW please don't put whitewalls on the 109 tires. I've never seen anything look so out of place in my life. You have to do an awful lot of searching to find a 109 with whitewalls.

[Former_Older]

The lighting in the very first pic, the one with the Bf109s, interests me. This pic seems less than impressive at first glance. But on closer inspection, this shows, to me, an important part of the lighting effects

In many photos of WWII aircraft, it is hard to see panel lines, although they are there. In this pic of the 109s, the panels lines all but have disappeared. It seems to me that this pic is actually quite impressive because it is imitating that effect. Judging from other pics, we will plainly see detailed panel lines depending on zoom and light

The pic of the Stuka seems almost to be a very detailed painting

I am impressed

simace-

I think what you mean to say is that everything is in very good focus, regardless of distance from the foreground

[Necrobaron]

Great pics and happy New Years to Oleg, his team, and the gents here!

Interesting to see how the grass and terrain are slowly changing from the lime green we saw in earlier updates. I am looking forward to seeing what the end results are.
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[TheGrunch]

Happy New Year all! Hopefully we'll all be playing this game in 2011. :grin:

[Bearcat]

Same to you and thanks for the updates..

[Heliocon]

Great pictures, and have a great new year! :)

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

Happy new year to all the IL2 community!

[BG-09]

***HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! I AM READY FOR TAKE OFF! OLEG, GIVE US GREEN LIGHT!!! ;)***
<------BG-09------<<<
~Salute All!!!

[adamaddick]

Looking forward to what will be a fantastic game!

One question about the baleout shot of the 109, the rear part of the canopy is missing, I never knew this was jettisonable? perhaps one of you more knowledgeable guys will set my mind at ease.

[JG52Krupi]

Happy new year all.

Great shots they look fantastic.

[Towarisch]

Thanks for the great Friday Update.

And a lucky , peacefull , healthy NEW YEAR 2011 for you , famaly and team.

Towarisch

[JVM]

Happy New Year all. I was flying IL-2 and I looked at the tires of my F4 Trop. When the modders start getting hold of SOW please don't put whitewalls on the 109 tires. I've never seen anything look so out of place in my life. You have to do an awful lot of searching to find a 109 with whitewalls.

It should be OK for the tailwheel, though...Most if not all German tailwheel tyres had white walls, or at least were supposed to have them...This was not for fashion reason (!) but because this meant that the tyre was electricity conducing and in consequence the A/C did not need to be grounded electrically.
There were certainly some exceptions to the rule depending on available stocks, but you would not make a mistake in showing white walls on tailwheel tyres.

The main wheel tyres on the other hand were never white walled.

JV

[Richie]

Sounds fine with me. I have over 700 pictures of 109s in my Air War folder, I think there is a profile of a F4 Trop with whitewalls but again that's a print not a photograph. There's not one photograph in there of one with whitewalls though and I have many of Trop 109s

[JVM]

Are you talking about the main tyres, then?

[Richie]

Yes. There are some with whitewalls in the tail wheels as you said.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Thanks for taking the time for an update, and a happy new year to you, your family, and everyone at 1C !

[Pierre@]

Yes. There are some with whitewalls in the tail wheels as you said.

Whitewalls indicate ground insulated tail wheels IIRC

[kristorf]

Yes, although IMO the red needs to be tweaked a bit. Looks more like SAAF than RAF as it is now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/1-11.jpg

versus

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/2-10.jpg

perhaps?

True, good spot mate (no pun intended....)

Also maybe the rivet opicity needs reducing by about 50%

Happy New Year

[Foo'bar]

Rivets are visible much enough, if not too much.

[Gourmand]

Yes, although IMO the red needs to be tweaked a bit. Looks more like SAAF than RAF as it is now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/1-11.jpg

versus

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/jocko417/2-10.jpg

perhaps?

+1
for me it's orange !!!
please put a red color fo RAF (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RAF_type_B_roundel.svg) ;)

http://www.ody.ca/~bwalker/type_b_th.gif

[major_setback]

+1
for me it's orange !!!
please put a red color fo RAF (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RAF_type_B_roundel.svg) ;)

http://www.ody.ca/~bwalker/type_b_th.gif

There is too much red in the blue.

There are some high res WWII images here showing roundel colours. The pictures are dated, but to me the reds look fine, just as they do in this week's WIP.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/sets/72157605269786717/

(from this main page)http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/

example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3321/4591121063_abc9e6ba72_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/2528150904_1b4eb95a94_o.jpg


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[Sutts]

Some great information and first hand accounts regarding the Spit Mk1 just to get you in the mood and geared up for SoW.....

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html

[jocko417]

There are some high res WWII images here showing roundel colours. The pictures are dated, but to me the reds look fine, just as they do in this week's WIP.

Yes, but for every shot on that site containing a marking that looks 'orange' there is another that looks 'red'. Period photos have to be taken with a grain, the film quality, age/fading of paint, lighting conditions and time of day all play hell with colours.

The dull red in the RAF roundels used from 1937 to 1947 doesn't even exist anymore in any standard colour chart. There is no match in the last British colour standard published (BS381C) and the closest match in the US Federal Standard (FS 595B) is more of a pale "brick red".

I've studied RAF marking and finish colours for a few years due to an interest in skinning aircraft for flight simulations and most (but not all) of the colours used by the RAF during WW2 are "extinct" according to modern British and US colour standards. Only "closest" matches are provided. This makes it very difficult to say "It should look like this" and show an example ;)

[The Kraken]

Also maybe the rivet opicity needs reducing by about 50%

Looks a bit heavy indeed, but don't forget it's no longer a question of layer opacity - rivets and other surface features will use bump or normal mapping, so the appearance will depend a lot on the lighting angle. It looks less prominent on most other screens.

[leggit]

Oleg....I admit this is one of those detail posts...and i half appolgise for it...In the shot with the 109 having been shot down we have a really nice pic of a town...it looks great (here's the but) but 95% of the house have a clay red roof. we have a lot of Slate (very dark grey) roofed properties (particually pre 1940) in the UK. The only reason i bring it up is it may actually help break up the sea of brownish-red...sorry for my first...i'm going to be anal about detail post: it is meant with the best intentions. ;)

edit: quick example:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-50869657/stock-photo-damp-slate-roof-tiles.html

[Chivas]

Oleg....I admit this is one of those detail posts...and i half appolgise for it...In the shot with the 109 having been shot down we have a really nice shot of a town...it looks great (here's the but) but 95% of the house have a clay red roof. we have a lot of Slate (very dark grey) roofed properties (particually pre 1940) in the UK. The only reason i bring it up is it may actually help break up the sea of brownish-red...sorry for my first...i'm going to be anal about detail post: it is meant with the best intentions. ;)

Interesting...I also noticed a set of tennis courts, at least I think they were tennis courts on a severe slope. The good news is they must have some sort of computer placement for villages software to help avoid hand painting everything.

[Crunchieone]

Happy new year Oleg and crew :)

[leggit]

The good news is they must have some sort of computer placement for villages software to help avoid hand painting everything.

sometimes doing things by hand is a good thing.:grin:

[major_setback]

I don't mind a bit of variation in the colour of the roundels.

This is a screenshot from a few weeks ago. The colours here look perfect to me.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/shot_20101013_201725.jpg

[SQB]

All the colours look really good in that one, i think somebody on the team might have had a good hard go at getting everything right :grin:

[hiro]

Merry Christmas and Happy new year, thanks for the updates.


My heart is glad on your hard work!

[mungee]

I don't mind a bit of variation in the colour of the roundels.

This is a screenshot from a few weeks ago. The colours here look perfect to me.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/shot_20101013_201725.jpg

I agree 100% - the red looks perfect to me!

[Wolf_Rider]

yes, Happy New Year to all and may it bring good health, prosperity and peace on Earth.

I can't get the images to show but from what I can see of the thumbs they look excellent

[krz9000]

??? Virtual maybe? :confused: :-)

Ok, just a detail...
anyway, Thanks for posting on the 31st of december!
and a happy new year to all of you...

viral as in "spreading like the plague"...:) its very easy to spread information around with facebook or twitter,...and its basically cost free. i dont see a reason to not use these plattforms. they are super effective

[johnnypfft]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFLYS6_ey9o

[Kianoni]

Happy new year to the team!
Oleg did I see realistic trim tabs there? are they working realisticly?

[1.JaVA_Sjonnie]

Thanks for posting this on the 31st Oleg!!:)

Some people here seem to forget that the colors are all still WiP and you keep telling us with almost every update but I guess there will always be whiners....:rolleyes:

[kristorf]

Thanks for posting this on the 31st Oleg!!:)

Some people here seem to forget that the colors are all still WiP and you keep telling us with almost every update but I guess there will always be whiners....:rolleyes:

I don't think its whining, just commenting on something that could so easily be overlooked.
Just look at the RAF roundels in IL2 (I know its an old game etc.), I would hate something so basic to ruin the appearance of some beautiful aircraft

[1.JaVA_Sjonnie]

I don't think its whining, just commenting on something that could so easily be overlooked.
Just look at the RAF roundels in IL2 (I know its an old game etc.), I would hate something so basic to ruin the appearance of some beautiful aircraft

OK point taken, it's not whining on your part. My remark is more about the fact that Oleg has pointed out previously that even the colors in the screenies are WiP so my thought was that maybe some of the remarks here about colour were by people who have overlooked that. As you said, things can sometimes be easily overlooked. ;)

My guess is that the end product will show correct colours. How could Oleg not be striving for that?

[philip.ed]

WIP, understandable, but it's odd that a colour (which looked great before) has now changed. Consequently, one would be under the impression the team had thought it inadequate, so in this case posting that it looked wrong is perfectly understandable ;) just my two pence. I think it's a lovely update, and it's great to see that the team is putting so much into details like this.
What I'd love to know is if we can, for the RAF, select the size of the letters and the different roundel-placements for the skins. I have yet to see an update showing the large lettering which 32 and 610 squadron used.

[jocko417]

What I'd love to know is if we can, for the RAF, select the size of the letters and the different roundel-placements for the skins. I have yet to see an update showing the large lettering which 32 and 610 squadron used.



Good point, I'm hoping that the markings placement isn't as rigid as IL-2's was, Aces did some great work with his MAT program but there were still limitations.

I'd like to see a markings option of "code letters only" for user made skins with the roundels already painted on. I've noticed that the markings are not completely opaque so you do see a bit of the panel lines showing through. This is nice, as IL-2's markings always looked like big stickers applied over top rather than actually painted onto the aircraft skin. This is not a dig, IL-2's markings were ground breaking in 2001, this is just ten years of perspective talking. If they placed the sim-generated markings under the panel lines/rivets and weathering layers that would probably be most realistic.

As for more choice, the first year of the war was a very confusing time for RAF markings and finishes since the 'official standard' changed often, and it took time for maintenance units and squadrons to catch up. There were many different styles of nationality markings wrt size, colour combinations, and placement. Also, there were as many as 8 different under surface finishes, from the black and white special ID markings to the many non-standard colours substituted for "Sky". The airplanes didn't really start to look uniform until the battle was over. What you see in the screenies is what would have been standard, reality varied quite a bit at individual squadron level during the battle.

Seeing as how we are getting serials for each airplane as part of the markings, I'd like to see the RAF practice of 'A' and 'B' camo schemes (basically mirror images of one another) used according to odd and even numbered serials. Odd serials wore the A camo style, even the B.

If BoB gives us all this I'll be very impressed.

Well, this NERD hat I'm wearing is getting a bit heavy so I guess I'll take it off. Sigh of relief from all readers. ;)

[MD_Titus]

tbf the markings in 4.10 are a vast improvement, look a tonne better since.

[glue]

Good point, I'm hoping that the markings placement isn't as rigid as IL-2's was, Aces did some great work with his MAT program but there were still limitations.

I'd like to see a markings option of "code letters only" for user made skins with the roundels already painted on. I've noticed that the markings are not completely opaque so you do see a bit of the panel lines showing through. This is nice, as IL-2's markings always looked like big stickers applied over top rather than actually painted onto the aircraft skin. This is not a dig, IL-2's markings were ground breaking in 2001, this is just ten years of perspective talking. If they placed the sim-generated markings under the panel lines/rivets and weathering layers that would probably be most realistic.

As for more choice, the first year of the war was a very confusing time for RAF markings and finishes since the 'official standard' changed often, and it took time for maintenance units and squadrons to catch up. There were many different styles of nationality markings wrt size, colour combinations, and placement. Also, there were as many as 8 different under surface finishes, from the black and white special ID markings to the many non-standard colours substituted for "Sky". The airplanes didn't really start to look uniform until the battle was over. What you see in the screenies is what would have been standard, reality varied quite a bit at individual squadron level during the battle.

Seeing as how we are getting serials for each airplane as part of the markings, I'd like to see the RAF practice of 'A' and 'B' camo schemes (basically mirror images of one another) used according to odd and even numbered serials. Odd serials wore the A camo style, even the B.

If BoB gives us all this I'll be very impressed.

Well, this NERD hat I'm wearing is getting a bit heavy so I guess I'll take it off. Sigh of relief from all readers. ;)


It looks as if it's just an overlay texture, which is superseded by the bump map of the plane's rivets and details, which will give it depth.