What we have is a great privelage please treat it as such

[Bryan21cag]

I posted this as a response to what i felt was a particularly rough thread but i feel it applies to so many threads and posts i have read on these forums that i wanted to just post it independently. Thanks to all

I never post on here i just usually sit back and wait for updates, but on the off chance that Oleg and his team actually pays attention to these things (and i hope he doesn't) i feel its time i chime in.

I do not know of one other company or person that allows this kind of interaction of a games development and even goes so far as to ask for tips on specific items of concern prior to a game coming out and then using the feedback in final game content.
Now maybe a lot of game developers do this and i just don't know but i have been gaming for almost all of my 31 years and have NEVER once come across this personally.
Threads and posts like this one show you very clearly how human nature can be. "if you give a mouse a cookie".
While the rest of the world sits in darkness waiting for the next iteration of there favourite game series to come out if ever, we enjoy constant although at times intermittent contact with the very person that is developing our favourite game.
Now to some this may seem like an opportunity to consistently demand more and more and more and more. (mouse-cookie) but for me i consider this to be a great privilege and i look forward to any and all updates that we receive.
I truly hope that the abusers of this privilege (you know who you are ) take into account that the access we have and the interactive way in which Oleg and his teams go about making these games is NOT a requirement by any means and at any time (much to the detriment of the game and us) they could decide to not do this type of development any more and leave us all hanging in the breeze with no word for years just hoping that our new game might be in the works.
Now like i said up top i truly hope that all of the impatient and seemingly ungrateful mice that refuse to just accept what they get as OVER and ABOVE what they normally get, will not spoil this for everyone who really appreciates this approach to game design and development. but I guess it would not be the first time in world history.

Many Many thanks to everyone who works on these epic flight sims that are in my opinion still the very best ever made and thanks for your unique and appreciated approach to how they are created.

[Wutz]

I posted this as a response to what i felt was a particularly rough thread but i feel it applies to so many threads and posts i have read on these forums that i wanted to just post it independently. Thanks to all

I never post on here i just usually sit back and wait for updates, but on the off chance that Oleg and his team actually pays attention to these things (and i hope he doesn't) i feel its time i chime in.

I do not know of one other company or person that allows this kind of interaction of a games development and even goes so far as to ask for tips on specific items of concern prior to a game coming out and then using the feedback in final game content.
Now maybe a lot of game developers do this and i just don't know but i have been gaming for almost all of my 31 years and have NEVER once come across this personally.
Threads and posts like this one show you very clearly how human nature can be. "if you give a mouse a cookie".
While the rest of the world sits in darkness waiting for the next iteration of there favourite game series to come out if ever, we enjoy constant although at times intermittent contact with the very person that is developing our favourite game.
Now to some this may seem like an opportunity to consistently demand more and more and more and more. (mouse-cookie) but for me i consider this to be a great privilege and i look forward to any and all updates that we receive.
I truly hope that the abusers of this privilege (you know who you are ) take into account that the access we have and the interactive way in which Oleg and his teams go about making these games is NOT a requirement by any means and at any time (much to the detriment of the game and us) they could decide to not do this type of development any more and leave us all hanging in the breeze with no word for years just hoping that our new game might be in the works.
Now like i said up top i truly hope that all of the impatient and seemingly ungrateful mice that refuse to just accept what they get as OVER and ABOVE what they normally get, will not spoil this for everyone who really appreciates this approach to game design and development. but I guess it would not be the first time in world history.

Many Many thanks to everyone who works on these epic flight sims that are in my opinion still the very best ever made and thanks for your unique and appreciated approach to how they are created.

Everyone to their opinion, and when there are lots of people, you are certain also to have lots of opinions. Being that this is a international platform where many do dare to post who are not native english speakers and may not have as fine tuned their english as others have....., why must people always be told to shut up and only voice words of awe? Ever noticed that also just sometimes feed back is wished for?
Of course everyone could follow your noble example and just sit back in silent admiration and not say a peep. Only then one could ask why have a forum at all? Would not a kind of blog where only staff members can post be then more suitable?
Sorry your post sounds like a teacher with the raised finger telling all those nasty users who dare to post off.
P.S. That is just my opinion

[KG26_Alpha]

Everyone to their opinion, and when there are lots of people, you are certain also to have lots of opinions. Being that this is a international platform where many do dare to post who are not native english speakers and may not have as fine tuned their english as others have....., why must people always be told to shut up and only voice words of awe? Ever noticed that also just sometimes feed back is wished for?
Of course everyone could follow your noble example and just sit back in silent admiration and not say a peep. Only then one could ask why have a forum at all? Would not a kind of blog where only staff members can post be then more suitable?
Sorry your post sounds like a teacher with the raised finger telling all those nasty users who dare to post off.
P.S. That is just my opinion

And you sound like the kinda person he's talking about :rolleyes:

[Abbeville-Boy]

thats funny :-P

[Wutz]

And you sound like the kinda person he's talking about :rolleyes:
Thank you for the flowers, I could pass them to you too for your comment.

[Tree_UK]

Everyone to their opinion, and when there are lots of people, you are certain also to have lots of opinions. Being that this is a international platform where many do dare to post who are not native english speakers and may not have as fine tuned their english as others have....., why must people always be told to shut up and only voice words of awe? Ever noticed that also just sometimes feed back is wished for?
Of course everyone could follow your noble example and just sit back in silent admiration and not say a peep. Only then one could ask why have a forum at all? Would not a kind of blog where only staff members can post be then more suitable?
Sorry your post sounds like a teacher with the raised finger telling all those nasty users who dare to post off.
P.S. That is just my opinion

+1, good reply. lets not forget that we will all buy this product and hopefully make Oleg very wealthy.

[K_Freddie]

I was around when the internet was born, been gaming a lot longer than your 31 years.. what your'e asking is 'pie in the sky'.

If you go public (like politicians), be prepared for the dirt. If you don't like it.. switch off your PC
;)

[julian265]

Everyone to their opinion, and when there are lots of people, you are certain also to have lots of opinions. Being that this is a international platform where many do dare to post who are not native english speakers and may not have as fine tuned their english as others have....., why must people always be told to shut up and only voice words of awe? Ever noticed that also just sometimes feed back is wished for?
Of course everyone could follow your noble example and just sit back in silent admiration and not say a peep. Only then one could ask why have a forum at all? Would not a kind of blog where only staff members can post be then more suitable?

+1 to that. If the devs don't feel like reading feedback, they won't. As long as criticism is constructive (eg, contains suggestions and reasoning) and nicely worded, it's good.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Oleg, besides a genious in flight sims, is a really smart guy and don't need this kind of "help"... We all will buy this new title. And I maybe sound like an idiot, but I believe Oleg's team does flight sims with "passion", not just for the money, they maybe like the feedback, and know if a bunch of people go to this forum daily just to see some small info of a new title developed by his team, they are doing something really right.

High expectations = high demands = higher whinnig. I include myself in the "whinners team", but just an idiot will not see that the team that makes IL-2 and was working in SoW is the best in flight sims for PCs in the world.

Now, I can go back to request 6DOF an wider FOV in IL2, nad FreeTrack support in SoW series. Bye!

[TheGrunch]

Oleg, besides a genious in flight sims, is a really smart guy and don't need this kind of "help"...
So what you're saying is that Oleg is perfect and knows everything about everything and never makes mistakes? :rolleyes:

[kimosabi]

I wouldn't care if all flightsims disappeared from the face of the earth. I kinda miss my old life.

[moilami]

I wouldn't care if all flightsims disappeared from the face of the earth. I kinda miss my old life.

Rofl actually the same with the exception I would just find something else to focus on my free time. I excell in changing focus.

[Foo'bar]

+1, good reply. lets not forget that we will all buy this product and hopefully make Oleg very wealthy.

And lets not forget that not Oleg will get the biggest part but the publisher.

[LoBiSoMeM]

So what you're saying is that Oleg is perfect and knows everything about everything and never makes mistakes? :rolleyes:

No, I'm saying Oleg's team produces combat flight sims near perfect, and don't need some user to create a "defense post" about some critics their products receive. It's about this "help" i'm talking, not the feedbak about IL-2 or SoW.

But I'm sure that Oleg knows far more about MAKING combat flight sims then 100% of us. So, it's plain obvious he reads the posts and get what matters, and ignore the bullxxxx.

[JAMF]

And lets not forget that not Oleg will get the biggest part but the publisher.That's the choice of Mr. Maddox too. By going with a regular distributor (Ubi?) he gets about 20% of the profit. On going Steam for instance, the profit portion for the developer could (http://steamreview.org/posts/finances/) be 60% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29#Profitability).

[KOM.Nausicaa]

I posted this as a response to what i felt was a particularly rough thread but i feel it applies to so many threads and posts i have read on these forums that i wanted to just post it independently. Thanks to all

I never post on here i just usually sit back and wait for updates, but on the off chance that Oleg and his team actually pays attention to these things (and i hope he doesn't) i feel its time i chime in.

I do not know of one other company or person that allows this kind of interaction of a games development and even goes so far as to ask for tips on specific items of concern prior to a game coming out and then using the feedback in final game content.
Now maybe a lot of game developers do this and i just don't know but i have been gaming for almost all of my 31 years and have NEVER once come across this personally.
Threads and posts like this one show you very clearly how human nature can be. "if you give a mouse a cookie".
While the rest of the world sits in darkness waiting for the next iteration of there favourite game series to come out if ever, we enjoy constant although at times intermittent contact with the very person that is developing our favourite game.
Now to some this may seem like an opportunity to consistently demand more and more and more and more. (mouse-cookie) but for me i consider this to be a great privilege and i look forward to any and all updates that we receive.
I truly hope that the abusers of this privilege (you know who you are ) take into account that the access we have and the interactive way in which Oleg and his teams go about making these games is NOT a requirement by any means and at any time (much to the detriment of the game and us) they could decide to not do this type of development any more and leave us all hanging in the breeze with no word for years just hoping that our new game might be in the works.
Now like i said up top i truly hope that all of the impatient and seemingly ungrateful mice that refuse to just accept what they get as OVER and ABOVE what they normally get, will not spoil this for everyone who really appreciates this approach to game design and development. but I guess it would not be the first time in world history.

Many Many thanks to everyone who works on these epic flight sims that are in my opinion still the very best ever made and thanks for your unique and appreciated approach to how they are created.

good post +1

[TheGrunch]

No, I'm saying Oleg's team produces combat flight sims near perfect, and don't need some user to create a "defense post" about some critics their products receive. It's about this "help" i'm talking, not the feedbak about IL-2 or SoW.

But I'm sure that Oleg knows far more about MAKING combat flight sims then 100% of us. So, it's plain obvious he reads the posts and get what matters, and ignore the bullxxxx.
Ah, I see. In that case I agree completely.

[swiss]

That's the choice of Mr. Maddox too. By going with a regular distributor (Ubi?) he gets about 20% of the profit. On going Steam for instance, the profit portion for the developer could (http://steamreview.org/posts/finances/) be 60% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29#Profitability).

It will impact sales too.
Less marketing - and no hardcopy, which eliminates me as a customer. ;)

[SlipBall]

It will impact sales too.
Less marketing - and no hardcopy, which eliminates me as a customer. ;)


I think that Luthier already indicated there would be a boxed copy, in his cloth map thread.:grin:

[Former_Older]

I don't mind Steam as a concept

what I mind is that I in effect leased the game instead of purchased it. When I lease a 50,000 dollar car I don't pay the same price overall as somebody who purchased the same car outright

[Former_Older]

In reply to Bryan's original post-

I agree to a large degree. But the internet is by nature a haven for the baser, meaner aspects of human nature though. Being able to interact with somebody, and saying whatever you like, brings out the worst at times because the most horrid thing can be that you get banned. That's why a lot of childish nonsense goes on

Add that to the fact that the greater majority of people have half-baked ideas or bad grasps of what they talk about, and the results are predictable